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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I apologize for not adequately respecting Bernie Sanders by using a normal idiom. Please forgive me *yeah it was weird when people were very focused on Trump blowing Putin
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May 26, 2021 16:31
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generic one posted:In the continuing trend of ICE being curtailed, they had the lowest number of deportations on record last month. I think I remember seeing something about this toward the beginning of May, but there are some pretty decent anecdotes in this article from WaPo. The most surprising part of that article to me is that ICE has lower approval than the IRS, whose low public approval has been a joke literally as far back as I can remember. You'd think more white people would approve of ICE than of the IRS.
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May 26, 2021 16:33
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Rea posted:The most surprising part of that article to me is that ICE has lower approval than the IRS, whose low public approval has been a joke literally as far back as I can remember. You'd think more white people would approve of ICE than of the IRS. my expectation is that a lot of racists disapprove of ICE because they see non-white people far too often, so ICE must be doing a bad job at the racism
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May 26, 2021 16:34
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FizFashizzle posted:This was always going to be the correct way to deal with ICE, short of transferring them all to a stamp licking outpost in Alaska. The correct way to do it was to do this, but not delay implementation of some of the changes because you were worried about looking like you were allowing people to flood across the border during the surge in immigration. Some of the delay was due to reduced capacity from the Trump administration + the larger amount of crossings, but there were a lot of documented reports that they were slow-rolling some changes to avoid scandals like sending kids to the wrong place (reasonable) and to avoid political attacks about letting people surge across the border (not reasonable).
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May 26, 2021 16:37
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zoux posted:Well, 19 months.
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May 26, 2021 16:41
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Counting per diems, which they only get in session, they make $45k every biennium. It is not their main source of income.
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May 26, 2021 16:43
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evilweasel posted:my expectation is that a lot of racists disapprove of ICE because they see non-white people far too often, so ICE must be doing a bad job at the racism This is the most recent I could find, and Trump was president, but it has both parties approve of most agencies and ICE is low because Democrats hate it. Not what I would have guessed, but maybe it's changed with Biden? At least DOJ probably flipped.
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May 26, 2021 16:46
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FizFashizzle posted:This was always going to be the correct way to deal with ICE, short of transferring them all to a stamp licking outpost in Alaska. I'm just glad they're effectively handcuffing them at a minimum because with the way Trump freed them to just be a mask fully off gestapo squad that was actively and openly torturing people, there's no "reforming" that or putting that genie back in the bottle. You need to burn it all down and if the agency exists in name going forward with a different mission, it would have to do so with all new staff.
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May 26, 2021 16:49
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/Dianne4NYC/status/1397545167587057670 https://www.politico.com/states/new...ion-day-1384036 quote:Dianne Morales has positioned herself as the progressive champion in a crowded field of mayoral candidates. Now that reputation is being threatened by a staff shakeup over accusations of mistreatment, inadequate pay and lack of unionization and health care.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Honestly, it creeps me out not because of respecting Bernie Sanders. It's just that using language of submission, comparing a man to a trained dog is kind of weird. So is when people talk about bending the knee or talk about bootlicking or blowjobs with an obvious submission connotation*. You're not the first person to do that, but people should be mindful of their mental models. If you're advocating for some level of a more democratic society like most people here are to various degrees, it's worth considering when you interpret interpersonal relationships in terms of dominance and submission. Politics is about dominance and submission, though. The problem with "lol Trump and Putin are gay together and also Trump is the bottom" isn't that it espouses politics of dominance, it's that it uses homophobia to do so Kalit posted:I'm sorry, I should have clarified my post better and asked you to clarify what you meant by "he's obviously housebroken". I had interpreted you saying this as essentially claiming that he sold out to the Democratic establishment [since throwing his support behind Biden]. If this was not your intention, I apologize. I don't really dispute he's the same senator he's always been but I don't really consider that a compliment. As a candidate his expressed stances were fundamentally adversarial to establishment power, and he has more or less dropped that. The one time he's crossed the administration publicly(the minimum wage vote) he got clowned. Maybe he will be able to use his new chairmanship to nibble around the edges and try to slip good provisions into bills here and there, as he has always done as a senator, but he is never going to affect any of the actual systemic changes he once declared were urgent necessities
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He literally just blocked Biden's State Dept. appointments to force him to send aid to Gaza.
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May 26, 2021 17:02
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:As a candidate his expressed stances were fundamentally adversarial to establishment power, and he has more or less dropped that.
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May 26, 2021 17:04
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Politics is about dominance and submission, though. It can be - and we see where that has left us over the last 12 years. It doesn't have to be.
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May 26, 2021 17:08
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^ Word ^TheIncredulousHulk posted:Politics is about dominance and submission, though. The problem with "lol Trump and Putin are gay together and also Trump is the bottom" isn't that it espouses politics of dominance, it's that it uses homophobia to do so Also, you should investigate the homophobia piece a bit more. The Trump has sex with Putin stuff is not "Ew Trump is gay" in a vacuum. It's an attempt to weaken his strongman persona by implying that he is submissive to a foreign power. EDIT: You can't separate homophobia from someone inherently working with dominance/submission mental models. That's what fundamentally is at the root of homophobia.
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Re: Dianne Morales, if you want to believe a guy who writes for the Guardian and Jacobin covering NY politics who wrote this piece three days ago, and a White House correspondent for Yahoo News who has a substack newsletter and used to cover NYC politics (they're both from Brooklyn), there are some more details. https://twitter.com/RossBarkan/status/1397361483353411589 https://twitter.com/hunterw/status/1397519214525747205 so...not the best sourcing, but it's what everyone (including other reporters, natch) is quoting on social media for now. Of note, we've got movement from the story being "people are mad about money" to "people are mad about more than money" to a campaign statement that acknowledges people are mad, but is definitely written to imply that people are mad about something other than money. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 17:11 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 17:09
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Just got word that a number of people were shot to death at a light rail maintenance facilty in San Jose. Reset the clock.
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May 26, 2021 17:12
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Tayter Swift posted:Just got word that a number of people were shot to death at a light rail maintenance facilty in San Jose. Reset the clock. Shooter dead, multiple fatalities per several news outlets
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May 26, 2021 17:19
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Bernie doesn't get any vitriol anymore outside of khive freaks but it's because he's obviously housebroken and no threat to anybody in power, and trashing him is a waste of time and money
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May 26, 2021 17:19
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Gadfly posted:We have an ACH network that could direct deposit checks into Americans bank accounts. Why can’t that be used? While I think this is a good idea that should be done, around 7 million US households don't have any bank accounts.
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May 26, 2021 17:23
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koolkal posted:He literally just blocked Biden's State Dept. appointments to force him to send aid to Gaza. lol it was $5 million that's almost certainly going to get paid out to Fatah and still let the State Department do an end run on Congress to get Israel more bombs to blow up Palestine with. What a heroic stand zoux posted:It can be - and we see where that has left us over the last 12 years. It doesn't have to be. Timeless Appeal posted:^ Word ^ Okay I think this is the point where I tap out for the day. Our understandings of politics are so different that I don't really know what to say to this other than I do not think either of your conceptions appear rooted in any kind of material reality at all
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May 26, 2021 17:27
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Shooter dead, multiple fatalities per several news outlets
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May 26, 2021 17:29
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Grouchio posted:Wonder what caused this one? probably some toxic masculine bullshit.
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goethe.cx posted:I don't understand Democrats who don't want to legalize weed at this point. It's extremely popular! Ballot initiatives have passed in red states! A lot of them still believe in Tough On Crime policies, also they like convenient ways to give people they don't like criminal records that deny them the right to vote
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VitalSigns posted:A lot of them still believe in Tough On Crime policies, also they like convenient ways to give people they don't like criminal records that deny them the right to vote yep. its a mix of that, broken windows policing and also a TON of boomers of all political stripes believe in gateway drug bullshit still. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 17:47 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 17:43
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Grouchio posted:Wonder what caused this one? Obviously not enough guns.
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May 26, 2021 18:09
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I don't really dispute he's the same senator he's always been but I don't really consider that a compliment. As a candidate his expressed stances were fundamentally adversarial to establishment power, and he has more or less dropped that. The one time he's crossed the administration publicly(the minimum wage vote) he got clowned. Maybe he will be able to use his new chairmanship to nibble around the edges and try to slip good provisions into bills here and there, as he has always done as a senator, but he is never going to affect any of the actual systemic changes he once declared were urgent necessities What policy related stances has he vocally expressed as a candidate, that he didn't continue to vocally support before or after he was a candidate? What stances has he expressed in a vote as a candidate, that he didn't continue to vote before or after as a candidate? He seems pretty much the same now, just less vocal about criticizing Biden because he's not running against him. Also, he's "crossed" the Democratic Party publicly multiple times before in his past (e.g. Iraq in 2003). If you're talking about the one time he's "crossed" the Biden administration specifically publicly, I mean, there hasn't been much opportunity yet and he has more of a role at the table than he would have in the past. Kalit fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 18:11
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zoux posted:One of liberals' biggest problems is that they are overfocused on the executive and get starry-eyed about certain politicians. This is not limited to Bernie, it happened with Obama, Beto, Kamala, Liz Warren, even loving Hillary Clinton. Once those who are left of center start to realize that you build power from the bottom up and the middle out, not from the top down, we might start making progress in midterm elections and avoid this absurd rollercoaster of liberals turning out in droves to vote for president and staying home for legislative elections. We are in the situation we are in right now because all the hyped up people from 2008 didn't show up in 2010 and basically we've been in hell ever since. Just look at how republicans conquered the entire country in 30 years through state legislatures and judicial appointments. Because they move in lockstep, they have enormous control over the lives of half of all Americans and used that power to put their thumbs on the scale twice this century to subvert presidential elections, even if it didn't work in 2020.
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May 26, 2021 18:12
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Grouchio posted:Wonder what caused this one? Not enough funding for police of course
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May 26, 2021 18:13
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Obviously not enough guns. Texas legalized all guns for everyone and it didn't happen there so theory checks out
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Just look at how republicans conquered the entire country in 30 years through state legislatures and judicial appointments. Because they move in lockstep, they have enormous control over the lives of half of all Americans and used that power to put their thumbs on the scale twice this century to subvert presidential elections, even if it didn't work in 2020. if you want to ruin a party and all you have to do is open the door for the binge drinking uncle that hits on all the underage girls you're not a master technician for turning that handle.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Just look at how republicans conquered the entire country in 30 years through state legislatures and judicial appointments. Because they move in lockstep, they have enormous control over the lives of half of all Americans and used that power to put their thumbs on the scale twice this century to subvert presidential elections, even if it didn't work in 2020. It is also a lot easier to break things than build things, especially when you don't plan to replace what you broke.
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InsertPotPun posted:they don't really move in lockstep, it's that their chosen agenda is also advanced by terrible, gross people being terrible and gross and they're more than willing to let them in the tent. they do move in lockstep when it comes to expanding corporate power, dismantling democracy, taking over the courts etc. There's big public spectacles where they call each other RINOs or some of the old guard act all offended that Trump said the quiet part out loud or whatever, but every single one of those guys was 100% on board with sneaky voter suppression poo poo like purging people from voter rolls for a spelling error or for not voting in enough elections or implementing voter ID then closing all the DMVs where poor and/or black people live etc
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I would be willing to bet that this shooting in CA today is workplace related
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VitalSigns posted:they do move in lockstep when it comes to expanding corporate power, dismantling democracy, taking over the courts etc. johnny lovestosmash and the bull he let into the china shop aren't really allies.
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May 26, 2021 18:45
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There's also the decades and decades where the GOP was slavishly devoted to giving billionaires more billions and megacorporations less regulations, to the point where there was an entire media ecosphere to give them more billions and less regulations. Propaganda works and the GOP has manufacturing it down to a science at this point.
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VitalSigns posted:they do move in lockstep when it comes to expanding corporate power, dismantling democracy, taking over the courts etc. Exactly. Just look at Liz Cheney for the most recent example of this. She loses her leadership role and gets castigated as a RINO for speaking out against Trump's lies. She also comes out in complete support of the "election security" laws Republican states are passing rooted in those very lies.
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May 26, 2021 19:09
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Seemingly every white boomer man believes government is always bad and can never help, that taxes are always bad and should be zero, that unions are bad and should be destroyed, that all regulation is bad and should be undone, and that the federal government should have zero control over schools, roads, workplaces, or consumer products. It's like they have these talking points posted deep in their brains and they don't even have to think to recall or use them. I want to say that racism was the keep the getting them in there, but it's weird because the conservative media machine didn't really take shape until the 90s, long after their brains had crystalized.
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