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Potrzebie posted:Posten. Yup. Nuon and Postnord are two of the worst blows to Swedish finances historically when compared to GDP, up there with the sinking of Wasa. fnox posted:I'm hearing this repeatedly being said in SFI but what's this about immigrants to Sweden not wanting to be vaccinated? It's not hard to believe considering how Folkhälsomyndigheten has handled things, but what is actually causing this? It's true, and FHM has reports on it: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/c/covid-19-vaccinationstackning-och-fodelseland-/ "Vaccinationstäckningen bland personer som är 80 år och äldre är högst bland personer som är födda i Sverige (91 procent). Därefter kommer personer som är födda i Norden (85 procent), i Nordamerika (81 procent) och i EU (77 procent). Lägst vaccinationstäckning ses bland personer födda i Nordafrika (59 procent) och i övriga Afrika (44 procent)." As for the reason why, I don't think there are any scientific reports but mostly a bunch of more or less founded guesswork. Everything from how well information is spread in other languages than Swedish to how signing up for vaccination works to varying degress of trust of government in general and vaccines in particular. Sweden has traditionally less problem with anti-vaccination ideas than some other parts of the world. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 10:41 on May 28, 2021 |
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There are areas with great coverage among immigrants. In those places the most influential component has been having VC staff who can speak the patients' languages. I'm sure there are a billion confounding factors, but I'm willing to bet that information/informing is way more important than any supposed cultural baggage.
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Blame the bumblefucks at the CIA. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-cia-fake-vaccination-campaign-endangers-us-all/ tldr; The CIA arranged a fake vaccination campaign in areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan as a cover for collecting intel about Bin Laden. No information of value was gained, but it absolutely devastated public trust in vaccines in those countries. This distrust has since spread with the help of various fundamentalist groups.
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May 28, 2021 11:57
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Yeah I’m thinking it’s the lack of info in other languages.
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Just got scheduled for vaccination!
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Randarkman posted:Just got scheduled for vaccination! hell yeah! congrats!
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teen witch posted:Yeah I’m thinking it’s the lack of info in other languages. If that's the case then we're hosed. Government has made it a point to make information inaccessible in other languages than Danish in recent years. NGO's even had to translate the official pandemic guidelines in the beginning.
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May 28, 2021 14:27
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I swore i once saw a offical coronaposter in polish and arabic in Norway, but now i am not sure. Why don`the culture minister get in touch with the biggest muslim congregations to personally ask the Imams there if they could encourage people to get vaccinated? Goverments using spiritual leaders to get out vital information is nothing new so why not do it?
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SplitSoul posted:If that's the case then we're hosed. Government has made it a point to make information inaccessible in other languages than Danish in recent years. NGO's even had to translate the official pandemic guidelines in the beginning. English is everywhere, do you mean other moon languages?
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Rust Martialis posted:English is everywhere, do you mean other moon languages? Yes, the NGO's had to translate it for the major immigrant language groups, but I've noticed a lot of official sites have even removed their English versions or scaled them back considerably. All municipal communication is in Danish now, AFAIK. It was much better in the past, but it became a battleground around the same time as the abolition of native language education (for everyone except EU citizens and "westerners").
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Yeah, it's been a real shitshow for my Indian colleagues, when trying to interact with any sort of public or official information. It's all in Danish, they get sent letters in Danish, sometimes with very critical information that they need to act on. Google translate can only go so far.
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May 28, 2021 15:47
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Brøndby superspreader festivities now at 37 infected. If only this had been at all preventable. Oh well!
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Baudolino posted:I swore i once saw a offical coronaposter in polish and arabic in Norway, but now i am not sure. The official website certainly has information in a number of languages and if you look at the vaccination information it makes a point to say you are entitled to an interpreter and gives info on how to get one. Of course if you're in my age group you're not actually entitled to a vaccination yet so it's all rather moot. 
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Age might actually be another factor. In a lot of places the immigrant population trends younger since the elderly generally have trouble making the trip at all. https://www.statista.com/statistics/524123/sweden-number-of-immigrants-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/521717/sweden-population-by-age/ Looking at the full population roughly 20% of the Swedish population is over 65 Only about 2% of the immigrant population is over 65. The significant majority are 35 or under.
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big scary monsters posted:The official website certainly has information in a number of languages and if you look at the vaccination information it makes a point to say you are entitled to an interpreter and gives info on how to get one. We make them pay for translation themselves when it comes to healthcare and other life-saving medical information, even to the detriment of white citizens (see above).
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https://twitter.com/valfardsutskott/status/1398301761648091140?s=21
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SplitSoul posted:If that's the case then we're hosed. Government has made it a point to make information inaccessible in other languages than Danish in recent years. NGO's even had to translate the official pandemic guidelines in the beginning. Incidentally, this probably doesn't help with the non Danish speakers' trust in the government. I'm general, being mostly disconnected from society and living in parallel society is probably also bad for participation in vaccinations. And that is very much the result of 20+years of racist policies, plus the 30+ years before that of really bad but less directly racist policies, like building self sufficient housing blocks that turned into ghettos.
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I heard second hand that two "experts" were discussing this on morning TV. One was annoyed with the slapping sound (from the loving) and the interviewer being distracted, the other wanted more description of the action.
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I dont even want to think about how much pointless extra work i would have to do if my office refused to communicate in english. Whenever there is a communication problem my job gets 10x harder. So yeah its super inefficent for the public sector to make itself lingustically unavailable.
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Baudolino posted:I dont even want to think about how much pointless extra work i would have to do if my office refused to communicate in english. Whenever there is a communication problem my job gets 10x harder. So yeah its super inefficent for the public sector to make itself lingustically unavailable. I have to politely ask people to speak Danish to each other at work. Our two lead network guys will speak English if I'm in the room and frankly they're brilliant but like 7/10 in English each so I tell at them to discuss issues in DANISH then tell me what they decided. I mean I'm pretty senior but having SVPs apologize to me for using Danish in Denmark is embarassing
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Rust Martialis posted:I mean I'm pretty senior but having SVPs apologize to me for using Danish in Denmark is embarassing OTOH, it's only right to apologise.
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Ok so Denmark (Forsvarets Efteretningstjeneste) secretly helped NSA to spy on Swedish top politicians, company leaders and national agencies? WTF dudes? https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/usa-har-spionerat-pa-svenska-politiker-med-hjalp-av-danmark
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Rust Martialis posted:I mean I'm pretty senior but having SVPs apologize to me for using Danish in Denmark is embarassing brah, you know what danish sounds like. lilljonas posted:Ok so Denmark (Forsvarets Efteretningstjeneste) secretly helped NSA to spy on Swedish top politicians, company leaders and national agencies? WTF dudes? danskjävlar! evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 30, 2021 |
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The intelligence agencies in Danmark have almost no meaningful oversight. The latest scandal was in fact how the military intelligence branch were systematically lying to, and misleading, the oversight committee. It will never get fixed because 80% of the politician are terrified of muslims and have all made it part of their political identity. Also no amount of bowing and scraping to American interests will ever be enough for Denmark.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:The intelligence agencies in Danmark have almost no meaningful oversight. The latest scandal was in fact how the military intelligence branch were systematically lying to, and misleading, the oversight committee. It will never get fixed because 80% of the politician are terrified of muslims and have all made it part of their political identity. Also no amount of bowing and scraping to American interests will ever be enough for Denmark. The french are probably the notable exception, because nique ta mere is why.
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Privatization was a mistake. This is just a giant gently caress you from SAS and their lovely Irish subsidiary. https://twitter.com/jsjostedt/status/1399392000688934912?s=21
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Dirk Pitt posted:Privatization was a mistake. This is just a giant gently caress you from SAS and their lovely Irish subsidiary. Wallenbergarna needed to top up the bank account and, as always, our poo poo 'rulers' oblige their masters.
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Have to say I’m enjoying watching the implosion of Liberalerna.
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Star posted:Have to say I’m enjoying watching the implosion of Liberalerna. Came to post this. Lol.
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Star posted:Have to say I’m enjoying watching the implosion of Liberalerna. Sabuni right now: "But Cardiac promised me that there is a large voter base for a strong pro-nationalist liberal agenda!"
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lilljonas posted:Sabuni right now: "But Cardiac promised me that there is a large voter base for a strong pro-nationalist liberal agenda!" I never said that the actual voter base would reside within Liberalerna. One could make an argument that Moderaterna stands for that agenda much better than L at this point. SCB pretty much shows that L is hosed regardless of where they stand with respect to SD. If you want a liberal party that is against SD, you vote for C and if you want a liberal party that is sort of ok with SD, you vote M/KD, it is kinda simple. If you don't want a S government, voting L is going to be problematic given the last election and the outcome. (Also, the thread definition of what constitutes liberal is hardly representative of the general public)
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I genuinely like having Cardiac in this thread.
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Beeswax posted:I genuinely like having Cardiac in this thread. Same. More Scanian representation is always good, even though it is of the (iirc) kranskommun-kind.
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If nothing else, it prevents this thread from becoming an echo chamber
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True, L has no room in current national politics, and the polls are representing that they're damned if they do, damned if they don't. Thought it's a hard sell to say that M or KD (or even L) are liberal parties.
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McCloud posted:If nothing else, it prevents this thread from becoming an echo chamber Exactly. And I admire Cardiac for staying level-headed (and wrong HEH GOTTEM) despite some posters ITT going apoplectic every time he posts.
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