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ImpAtom posted:I mean I would put a huge amount of money on "Joker 2: Harley Quinn." I dunno...but why do I feel that they are gonna try to connect the new Batman movie with this one, now for real?
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what if the Joker does something out of character and fights a guy who dresses like a bat or something
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm just wondering if a sequel to that would even work With the Joker being like King of Comedy Todd should keep the ball rolling and make the sequel After Hours. Just an uptight businessman dragged into an increasingly bizarre and dangerous Gotham underbelly by Harley Quinn.
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May 28, 2021 04:36
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Joker 2 would work best as a different movie with a different actor. Just drop a new, wildly different origin out every few years
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm just wondering if a sequel to that would even work
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May 28, 2021 06:41
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Alhazred posted:Remember that American Psycho got a sequei. so you're saying we need Mila Kunis to be Phoenix's Harley Quinn
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May 28, 2021 06:47
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With Joker being a Taxi Driver homage then it wouldn't be that out of place to style Joker 2 like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. There's plenty of lesser and well know headcases to fill the movie with from Batman's rogues. Scarface is personal favorite as one who can be adapted easily. Along with being ripe for the Harley Quinn corruption story line. It really would not be a question of if Joker escapes, but there could be tension on how many sympathetic or deserving characters he kills to do it.
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May 28, 2021 07:38
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Joker 2: Batman would be incredibly funny.
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E. Revenant posted:With Joker being a Taxi Driver homage then it wouldn't be that out of place to style Joker 2 like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Or make a movie where mental illness doesn't make the main character violent.
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May 28, 2021 11:05
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Joker: The Musical.
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May 28, 2021 11:13
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bessantj posted:Joker: The Musical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlAKDJzAkyg (rip jim steinman)
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May 28, 2021 11:32
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Alhazred posted:Or make a movie where mental illness doesn't make the main character violent.
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May 28, 2021 11:40
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Slugworth posted:In the sequel, it will be revealed that his mental illness is actually contagious, and he jokerfies our entire society. There was a mini series where this happened
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May 28, 2021 11:59
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All I ask is for a movie where the Joker tries to patent a fish.
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JordanKai posted:Joker 2: Batman would be incredibly funny. bessantj posted:Joker: The Musical. From Joker To Batman
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May 28, 2021 16:17
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If they want to keep it away from traditional comic book stuff they could just do a love story thing with a more grounded Harley. I personally thought the Joker movies story and themes sucked and were way too basic. The movie was a vehicle for Joaquin to act his heart out and for that reason, and only that reason, I enjoyed it. So they should get some awesome female actress who can rise to Joaquins level and just have them do stuff, any stuff, really
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May 28, 2021 17:23
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I don't know that you could do Harley Quinn with this Joker, at least not any recognizable version of her. Like, the original Harley, as much as I love the character, is kind of a laughingstock and punching bag. At worst, she's an extended "Women, am I right?" riff. More modern stories have leaned into how utterly hosed up the Joker's treatment of her is and have had her break out on her own but I'm not sure that direction would make sense for a debut movie, so we're left with a character whose very existence seems incompatibly cartoonish compared to the first movie.
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May 28, 2021 17:29
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Well the "Joker" in the Joker movie wasn't really like the most iconic joker characterizations we've seen either. They could do just about anything with Harley to make her fit into this new grounded Joker style
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My point is just that I think you'd have to completely alter the character's backstory and origin as a doctor who falls in love with the Joker because the second you try to sell that in a more "grounded" story it's going to suck IMO.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:All I ask is for a movie where the Joker tries to patent a fish. I know right? Is that so much to ask?
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Arist posted:My point is just that I think you'd have to completely alter the character's backstory and origin as a doctor who falls in love with the Joker because the second you try to sell that in a more "grounded" story it's going to suck IMO. Harleen was a more grounded origin story and it didn't suck.
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It's super easy to do Harley in Joker 2. She's a right wing, cruel, bad person who's trying to make a quick buck and then gets radicalized by Joker and helps him bust out to kill more billionaires. You just drop the abusive relationship stuff cause you're only using the bones anyway, and it's not like Suicide Squad didn't already totally excise that in a movie.
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May 28, 2021 19:24
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It absolutely did not, the implication of abuse is all over Joker and Harley in Suicide Squad. He abandoned her after throwing her in the vat and left her after crashing the car too.
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May 28, 2021 20:55
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He dove into the vat to save her, what movie did you watch? He doesn't abandon her until he drives the car off the pier.
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I mean...that’s technically correct, but ignores the fact that he very obviously gaslit her into jumping into a vat of dangerous chemicals and then rewards her with affection once she engages in self-destructive behaviour that he approves of. Their relationship is, like, textbook abusive.
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And then spends the rest of the movie feeling guilty about it and literally declaring war on the government trying to get her back. And him getting her out at the end is played as a straight romantic ending. He's not abusive in that movie, he's a dude who panicked and made a bad choice. I don't like that version of the relationship, at least not as "the" main line movie version, but it's for sure what the movie is presenting. E: where's the gaslighting? He told her jumping in would do the same thing to her it did to him. He didn't lie or mislead, and clearly himself does not see it as self destructive. He's happy with his life and who he is. He thought he was doing her a favor.
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May 28, 2021 22:23
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It could also be said that he doesn't even a abandon her in the water, he just thought she'd jump out faster and she didn't. Like, that film sucks but Joker clearly wants Harley.
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Vince MechMahon posted:E: where's the gaslighting? He told her jumping in would do the same thing to her it did to him. He didn't lie or mislead, and clearly himself does not see it as self destructive. He's happy with his life and who he is. He thought he was doing her a favor. This interpretation only works if you ignore objective reality and only accept Joker’s viewpoint as valid. I’m sure to a lot of abusers alienating yourself from your loved ones and focusing exclusively on each other seems perfectly rational and healthy, but that doesn’t make it objectively true.
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Phylodox posted:This interpretation only works if you ignore objective reality and only accept Joker’s viewpoint as valid. I’m sure to a lot of abusers alienating yourself from your loved ones and focusing exclusively on each other seems perfectly rational and healthy, but that doesn’t make it objectively true. The Jokers viewpoint of “jumping into a vat of chemicals will set you free” holds a lot of weight in a universe where that did happen to him. It holds even more weight here where doing that works and gives Harley super powers too.
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I think the problem is they cut the majority of the overt textual abuse which just leaves the movie with the subtext residue of the abusive plot so we can still recognize the implied red flags. He does excitedly give her electroshock in addition to testing her with the chemical bath and cultivating codependency but if you're not used to spotting that poo poo in real life your mind might not fill in the blanks.
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Karma Tornado posted:I feel like that happened in Fraction's Punisher run It happened in Spencer's ASM run, too.
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Wait a minute, isn't this Joker also the one that puts her through some electrocuting? Am I being pranked? E: The loving and played straight romance of her being held down by goons screaming and crying. This of course followed by verbal berating and straight up torture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY14QRBl6BU SonicRulez fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 28, 2021 |
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May 28, 2021 23:39
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The Harley character has been moving away from being romantically involved with the Joker recently so it's probably not a good idea to go back to that.
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https://deadline.com/2021/05/marvel-movie-release-date-changes-eyes-of-tammy-faye-disney-theatrical-1234766379/ posted:
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So this year we get Black Widow, Shang Chi, The Eternals, and Spider-Man No Way Home (which I don't remember if Marvel counts that as one of 'theirs') 2022 is what, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, and something else? I know GoTG3 is kind of at the back of the list of confirmed films so that may be 2023.
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May 29, 2021 03:20
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Thor is next February, and there's also the GOTG Holiday Special.
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May 29, 2021 03:21
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don't forget Doctor Strange 2; Now with Wanda!
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https://twitter.com/Fandango/status/1389233085837762564
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I kept thinking The Marvels was a Shazam sequel. Just rewatched Spider-Man: Far From Home and the undead Iron Man illusion was really cool and I hope it reappears somewhere in the MCU.
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I keep thinking that strange 3 and no way home are reversed. They really fast tracked all the Spider-man movies it feels.
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