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The most logical ultimate move for him to develop would be Quirk Synthesis where he merges properties of copied quirks together, like if he could mix Todoroki's ice with Bakugo's explosions to basically make plastic explosives.
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Merging a flight quirk of some kind with Kirishima/Tetsutetsu would be fun too.
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May 26, 2021 20:48
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Monoma having monomania is cool.
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May 26, 2021 21:42
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Eej posted:The most logical ultimate move for him to develop would be Quirk Synthesis where he merges properties of copied quirks together, like if he could mix Todoroki's ice with Bakugo's explosions to basically make plastic explosives. Monoma copies both bakugo and mina to make acid explosions. Or acid that explodes.
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May 26, 2021 22:36
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How am I just now realizing that Deku isn't AFO's son, it's Monoma. Also explains why he hates class 1-A so much.
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May 26, 2021 23:19
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christmas boots posted:It depends on the quirk, but I could see it happening in some cases. Suppose you have the same quirk your whole life, and you latch on to a preconceived notion of what it is and what it can do early on. In that case, you might be limited in your thinking about what you can do with it or how it can be used. The advantage someone like Monoma potentially brings is that he has no preexisting box to work against. In theory, he could use quirks in ways that might never have occurred to the original user because he doesn't "know" he can't use them that way. This. But also, I was envisioning him developing a better sense for how quirks work and being able to detect subtle things about them simply from having experienced dozens/hundreds of different quirks. The best analogy I can think of is how wine experts can tell a lot about a wine just from a blind taste of it.
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May 27, 2021 02:04
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rewatched last weeks episode again now. im still so unreasonably pissed at this lol all might and deku being all "woooow, so cool and surprising" when bakugo saved earphone girl from the lizard. how was that any different from when bakugo used himself as bait to distract all might back when he and deku were fighting him? he even did the same "give teammate grenade" gimmick, only it was his whole gauntlet deal. and then ofc theres the copy guy being all "woooow, he changed so much and hes so mature now", gravity girl being like "she really believes them!", kirishima and electric guy being like "yup, never seen this before" and "it must be because he was in a band!  " (give me a break), the other class being surprised is one thing (altho he was really not that different in that tournament team part either back at the festival when he beat the copy guy) but whats with all might and deku pretending there was any growth? it screams like the writer wants to tell us that there is an evolution in his character, but when you actually observe whats happening, nothing changed at all. this could have been a chance for him to get some sort of interesting obstacle and hardship for a change, not to mention give more of a chance for every1 in the team exercise on both sides to shine, and instead it was just a really deflating and underwhelming waste of time.i hope tomorrows episode makes up for this somehow, tho i dont see how. and again the opposing class feels like the ppl whose odds are stacked against them going in, and to add salt to injury their now playing for, at best, a draw. just baffling writing
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May 29, 2021 02:26
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Uh, no offense but it seems like you just don't like Bakugo and don't want to acknowledge him growing and changing as a character. Him giving the teammates grenades is not growth and him agreeing to be bait in the All Might fight was under pretty extreme duress so I don't think we could really say he learned anything from that particular instance either. The growth is that his plan going in was "I'm going to stick with you guys so that if necessary, I can save you, and equally if necessary, you can save me." Yes, he was abrasive about it but he wasn't so focused on beating the enemy team by himself that he ignored his teammates potentially being in danger and also he acknowledged that he couldn't do it by himself and would have to trust that his teammates were capable and had his back. That's a pretty big change for Bakugo who has previously preferred not to rely on anybody and is much more interested in fighting than protecting an objective (see him leaving Iida to defend the bomb in their very first team exercise and refusing to work together). He was required to work with other people in the cavalry battle in the Sports Festival but like, Kirishima convinced him to let him on his team by just saying "I'm strong enough that if I get clipped by your blasts, it won't hurt me." That's basically just Kirishima convincing him that he won't be a burden. Even when Sero yanked Bakugo back after he jumped for Monoma's headbands, that wasn't something Bakugo planned or expected him to do. Bakugo seemed to have just planned to blast himself back to the team but was too blind with rage to realize how close to the ground he was cutting it, so Sero stepped in on his own initiative. Does this make Bakugo suddenly a nice and fully redeemed character? No. And it wasn't supposed to. But it's definitely character growth for him and the class isn't sucking his dick by recognizing it. It's pretty obvious that 1-B's entire plan was "Bakugo will probably charge straight for us, wanting to take us all on by himself because he's powerful but arrogant. That'll be a hard fight but once we take him out, we can focus on the other three." Him actually working with his team voluntarily throws their entire plan into chaos and they don't recover. This is the exact conversation All Might had with Bakugo and Deku after their fight post-Provisional License exam. Bakugo focused too much on winning fights instead of saving others and Deku focused too much on saving others instead of winning fights. Deku's is the kinder approach, but it's left him with a broken body. All Might told them they needed to find a balance. Win by saving others and save others by winning. Bakugo's learned that lesson and uhhhh Deku's still working on it, but it's fine.
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May 29, 2021 02:52
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bakugo is obviously undeniably an rear end in a top hat but i thought he was a good foil for the mc and i liked when he beat deku that one time last season, that was pretty sweet. i went to recheck the moment you're talking about w/ sero and its hard for me to interpret it as bakugo being "suicidal" and not giving a poo poo if he wins or not/not realizing he might lose. my read is that he was expecting on sero to get him back, in fact sero says "you were supposed to say when you jump" so i read it more as him thinking "see when i jump and then grab me, i dont need to tell you poo poo". this doesnt feel meaningfully different from him going after the welding guy and then having the sugar guy break him out of a pinch and playing clean up after him. it just looks like the exact same thing to me, 50 or so episodes later, w/ people acting surprised ab it. i also dont get what you mean when you talk about being in extreme duress (and it was an exam, its not like he was actually fighting for his life). if he in duress is gonna act in teamwork w/ the classmate he likely has the most complicated relationship w/, then why is it character growth when he does it w/ 3 other people later?
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May 29, 2021 03:06
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"Under extreme duress" as in it's that or fail his final exam, not as in life or death, although with Bakugo's perfectionism, he probably considers that to be about the same. This competition is probably graded but wouldn't be anywhere near as important as his finals so it's the difference between agreeing to do something because you're backed into a corner and out of options and facing major consequences vs doing something voluntarily and with no real fuss for pretty low stakes. I did forget about Sero's line though so I'll give you that.
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May 29, 2021 03:43
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People keep saying the next fight has no stakes, but it totally does. Shinsou needs a good showing to get into the Hero course, and losing by two fights would be devastating for class B's morale. I mean, this means the stakes have me rooting for them instead of Deku's team, but it's stakes.
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May 29, 2021 08:53
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I was gonna effort post about Bakugo but instead I'll just say Bakugo/Deku vs All Might was pretty much "these kids' insecurities are getting in their way: the fight" and was supposed to showcase how dumb and stubborn they both were being in their adoration of All Might. Bakugo broke himself because he refused to have his battle strategy challenged and Deku refused to consider the possibility that maybe you just don't run away from the threat in front of you. Neither of em had a great showing. This recent team fight was just to show how effortlessly Bakugo can take point on a team, but the real improvement wasn't just him giving the grenades to his team but his trusting that they'll deliver in what they needed to. Early series Bakugo would have told Jiro she wasn't necessary and just to watch him solo the fight. Instead he knew she'd find everything and the rest of the team would have his back when he needed. The big dumb angry idiot kid CAN trust, even if it looks/sounds/feels like he can't. His personality sucks rear end but he can do his part.
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May 29, 2021 10:02
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Bakugo nuking cum-boy without stopping the chase is an insane display of power and agility. AND he even held back in his attacks.Shinjobi posted:This recent team fight was just to show how effortlessly Bakugo can take point on a team, but the real improvement wasn't just him giving the grenades to his team but his trusting that they'll deliver in what they needed to. Early series Bakugo would have told Jiro she wasn't necessary and just to watch him solo the fight. Instead he knew she'd find everything and the rest of the team would have his back when he needed. The big dumb angry idiot kid CAN trust, even if it looks/sounds/feels like he can't. His personality sucks rear end but he can do his part.
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May 29, 2021 10:53
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The next episode is out and with it, by far the biggest plot point of this entire arc. Deku is going to be accumulating more quirks. It's a controversial plot point but I don't hate it. It's a huge power up for Deku though, moreso than just increasing levels of brute strength. I also really like how they animated Black Whip with the blue outline. Looks better than it did in manga greyscale.
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May 29, 2021 12:42
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I prefer the manga version myself. This is a big love it or hate it moment in the series. If anyone is feeling apprehensive, as a manga reader I'll just say that I feel that Horikoshi does justify this twist in the future and Black Whip goes on to be one of the coolest quirks in the whole series.
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CuwiKhons posted:The next episode is out and with it, by far the biggest plot point of this entire arc. Deku is going to be accumulating more quirks. It's a controversial plot point but I don't hate it. It's a huge power up for Deku though, moreso than just increasing levels of brute strength. I also really like how they animated Black Whip with the blue outline. Looks better than it did in manga greyscale. I'm pretty sure it's gonna piss off Bakugo even more, so I'm here for it.
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May 29, 2021 14:43
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Last time I said the most important part of the episode was that Jirou is not a cat. This week I believe the most important part of the episode is that the cameraman cannot be bothered to lower the camera to Jirou's short height, so she must leap in the air to say her line.
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May 29, 2021 16:14
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Yeah, this is what I’ve been waiting to see all season. It makes sense that One for All, a power transferred throughout hero society, would have the Quirks of other users stored in there. Uraraka putting herself out for Deku is a really cool thing from this chapter. Things really start to escalate from here
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May 29, 2021 16:27
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It get mentioned that Deku has access to six quirks and that he's the eighth user of One for All, do we know who was the other user without a quirk was? I have a vague memory that we were told All Might was also quirkless I'm not sure if I'm misremembering that.
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May 29, 2021 17:59
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Starsnostars posted:It get mentioned that Deku has access to six quirks and that he's the eighth user of One for All, do we know who was the other user without a quirk was? I have a vague memory that we were told All Might was also quirkless I'm not sure if I'm misremembering that. All Might mentions it during the sports festival
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May 29, 2021 17:59
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I really liked Uraraka's part in this in the manga and enjoyed it even more in today's episode. No hesitation, just immediately does what she can. I like the contrast between her using her quirk to help up an old lady vs Shinso who isn't really even sure how to use his quirk to help someone else, especially in this context where she charged right into danger, kept her head on straight and resolved things. It's like a difference in perspective is what matters, especially in light of Monoma's somewhat negative rambling about the different "types" of heroes at the beginning of the episode.
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May 29, 2021 18:07
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This episode was cool and good and could have happened 6 episodes ago.
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May 29, 2021 18:10
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New episode also means new sketch. https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1398556185981120515
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May 29, 2021 18:59
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Black Whip looked cool most of the time. There was one short sequence where it was just two poorly shaded frames flipping back and form though.
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May 29, 2021 19:15
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It's weird hearing Monoma be chill while talking with Shinso and it's kinda neat tbh. I like the bit about a childhood dream starting to become a burden.
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May 29, 2021 21:15
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Starsnostars posted:It get mentioned that Deku has access to six quirks and that he's the eighth user of One for All, do we know who was the other user without a quirk was? I have a vague memory that we were told All Might was also quirkless I'm not sure if I'm misremembering that. Deku is the Ninth, not the Eighth. You are correct that All Might was previously quirkless but also the First user's quirk was literally just the ability to pass a quirk on to someone else so while Deku technically has that, it's not... useful. So he's due to get access to the Second through Seventh users' quirks.
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May 30, 2021 01:01
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Monoma is cool
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Wow this is really dumb.
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May 30, 2021 01:13
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WrightOfWay posted:Wow this is really dumb. It actually makes a lot of sense, considering One For All is a mutated quirk which accumulates power and can pass itself on to others. Why wouldn't the quirks of its other users also get passed on in the process?
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jassa posted:It actually makes a lot of sense, considering One For All is a mutated quirk which accumulates power and can pass itself on to others. Why wouldn't the quirks of its other users also get passed on in the process? In all honesty it's a bit narratively annoying to give the most overpowered character even more quirks when All Might was the greatest hero ever with an inferior version of the quirk. But otoh Izuku kind of got pretty boring the instant he became able to use OfA without hurting himself so it'll be nice to give him some more options to actually use his intellect on instead of relying on SMASH. He was already so overpowered that making him more overpowered barely registers too. If they play it right it'll honestly be more of a hindrance than a help, if he has to split his attention between developing/learning to control multiple quirks he's going to end up far behind where he would have been if he just focused on controlling the superstrength part alone.
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May 30, 2021 03:20
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jassa posted:It actually makes a lot of sense, considering One For All is a mutated quirk which accumulates power and can pass itself on to others. Why wouldn't the quirks of its other users also get passed on in the process? For me this interpretation relies too much on an abstract interpretation of "stockpiles power" when for 8 generations it was just super-strength that gets superer.
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As a manga reader I don’t want to give any specifics out but ultimately I think it’s handled well overall. I would say just give it time
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I’ll just say that a lot of changes are on the horizon for this series in the near future and for the most part the majority of them are fairly well handled. Just keep an open mind is all.
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oh jay posted:For me this interpretation relies too much on an abstract interpretation of "stockpiles power" when for 8 generations it was just super-strength that gets superer. The thing that we don't understand right now is why the additional quirks only started to manifest in Izuku, the current holder.
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oh jay posted:For me this interpretation relies too much on an abstract interpretation of "stockpiles power" when for 8 generations it was just super-strength that gets superer. Does it though? We've only seen two of OFA's users up until this episode. The Original and All Might (who was quirkless). All Might doesn't seem to have experienced the Vestiges or he would have been able to warn Deku that some seriously weird poo poo was about to go down, but there's nothing that says that OFA has always manifested as just Super Strength. Given the phrasing of the little tutorial cutscene from the previous
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Fabricated posted:The original quirk which is "One For All" was a useless quirk whose only known feature was being able to be passed on willingly to others- All For One forced a Power Stockpiling quirk on the original holder of One For All, and One For All rolled it up. It actually fits pretty well that One For All is basically just a quirk lint-roller that picks up the quirks of the people who held it as it gets passed on. Neither the quirk of "quirk passing" or "stocking power" would apparently have to power of "combining quirks." All Might says that is just something that sometimes happens when the quirk AFO moves quirks around. It seems that "quirk passing" also has the "combining quirks" secondary effect which makes some sense because quirks shared by siblings would be similar, but it isn't something that should be taken as a given. pointlessone posted:Does it though? We've only seen two of OFA's users up until this episode. The Original and All Might (who was quirkless). All Might doesn't seem to have experienced the Vestiges or he would have been able to warn Deku that some seriously weird poo poo was about to go down, but there's nothing that says that OFA has always manifested as just Super Strength. I got to assume that All Might would have mentioned in passing that it was weird that Nana said she started Blackwhipping after she got OFA, but it never happened for him.
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May 30, 2021 05:23
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pointlessone posted:Does it though? We've only seen two of OFA's users up until this episode. The Original and All Might (who was quirkless). All Might doesn't seem to have experienced the Vestiges or he would have been able to warn Deku that some seriously weird poo poo was about to go down, but there's nothing that says that OFA has always manifested as just Super Strength. Re: the super strength... I always assumed One for All's power stockpiling effect simply started building up the user's natural physical strength slowly over time, but then when it passed onto the next user they didn't have to start from zero again. Hence why over time, the new recipients had to have a strong body and slowly train to be able to safely use the power which had been accumulated. In short, I think super strength simply became a feature of the original/core mutated quirk.
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It seems like thematically OFA is the Quirk Singularity Theory come true. I'm guessing the DNA transfer nature of it is why it rolls over previous user Quirks, and it would keep in the logic of the world that a quirk that Stockpiles then Passes on would also evolve enough to allow someone sufficient access to previous quirks.
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May 30, 2021 05:36
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pointlessone posted:Given the phrasing of the little tutorial cutscene from the previous Super Strength is the starting stockpile power, for the record. To be clear, what's happened, as far as we know, is this:
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CuwiKhons posted:It's going to take a long time for them to explain much more about this but like I said, I don't hate this plot? It's pretty Shonen poo poo but honestly Deku was already so wildly OP that it's hard to say that these extra quirks make him significantly moreso. If nothing else, it's safe to assume it'll make fights more interesting. As someone else alluded to earlier, Deku is a clever and strategic fighter so this plays to his natural strengths and allows for more creativity in battle.
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