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Stux posted:it does if you are reviweing examples of a medium that specifically require that to engage with it lol. reviewing any media requires that the critic have a specific set of skills that are generally better than most of the audience for that media. a very good example of this kind of active participation that isnt often thought about is in fact music. there is a very specific and trainable skill that most people do not have when it comes to listening to music, to be able to alter your own perception of the piece. to be able to isolate and compare the individual instruments in even very large ensembles and then switch back into hearing it as a whole. to be able to follow along with complex rhythmic parts and understand and comprehend everything thats happening. this is something you are taught or train yourself to do and its an absolutely vital skill fi you want to actually be able to be an effective critic. its also something the majority of people who listen to music absolutely cannot do. I think what you're saying is true of certain games, yes. To use the music example, it's stupid for a contemporary jazz publication/expert to review a folk album and give it a bad score because there's only two chords. It's probably not a good idea for an editor to assign a person to review a hardcore fighting game who doesn't like or doesn't have a history with those games. But at the same time, it's still valid to have a range of opinions, and I think you're talking as if people who review games professionally have absolutely zero understanding about the medium, which is a little unfair and extreme. Most people who do this professionally for publications do know what they're talking about. But I don't agree with what you're saying about critics having an in-depth understanding about the component pieces of a medium. You don't need to know about types of lenses, or cinematography techniques to be a good film critic. There are certain kinds of non-fiction film/music writing where those skills you've described are really essential, but honestly being able to form a valuable opinion shouldn't need a writer to forensically take apart the components of a piece. Yea it helps if you're not tone deaf and reviewing music, and if you're reviewing music you wanna really listen actively. But that kind of forensic thing you're talking about is only useful for a very specific subset of non-fiction writing, for an even more specific audience (for example, I used to live with a cinematographer, who had a ton of books on cinematography, most of which involved examples from mainstream cinema). There are loads of kinds of arts criticism, all of which have value to different audiences. In the example of film, there are a lot of writers who don't talk about film in terms of the cinematography, acting, writing or whatever, but approach the film holistically, and maybe have a whole other angle they're approaching it from. Some of the best books and essays on film are weaving personal memoir or cultural commentary with the writer's feeling about the films themselves. The point is, good critical writing isn't about measuring the quality and effectiveness of a list of attributes. That's maybe what makes a good product review, but non-fiction critical writing is a much broader church than that, that take advantage of all kinds of skillsets (the only one in common being that you're a good writer with broad cultural knowledge). edit: I mean I also think most publications having scales or scores with reviews on any artform is pretty stupid. Especially with music, because it's trivially easy to legally listen to most new releases for free, and know pretty much instantly whether you like it or not. So reviews need to perform another function at that point because they're not needed as a thing that you use to measure quality. when it comes to games I really like Eurogamer's system - 'essentail', 'recommended', no recommendation, or 'avoid'. The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 14:38 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 14:31
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Can someone explain to me the appeal of Dangan Ronpa? I watched a video of the executions n poo poo but this just kinda seems sociopathic and creepy.
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May 31, 2021 14:45
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It's video game werewolf/mafia
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May 31, 2021 14:51
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Pollyanna posted:Can someone explain to me the appeal of Dangan Ronpa? I watched a video of the executions n poo poo but this just kinda seems sociopathic and creepy. Yep. Same as most teen horror/slasher films and Battle Royale. The actual plot/deduction stuff is fun though.
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May 31, 2021 14:51
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Pollyanna posted:Can someone explain to me the appeal of Dangan Ronpa? I watched a video of the executions n poo poo but this just kinda seems sociopathic and creepy. holy lmao *clicks on video about executions* "this seems sociopathic"
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May 31, 2021 14:53
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Protip for learning about media you don't know about is engaging with them in context, like reading a blurb or review or watching the start of gameplay, not doing the worst thing possible
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May 31, 2021 14:55
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stev posted:Yep. Same as most teen horror/slasher films and Battle Royale. Battle Royale is good though 
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May 31, 2021 14:56
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Tonfa posted:Protip for learning about media you don't know about is engaging with them in context, like reading a blurb or review or watching the start of gameplay, not doing the worst thing possible I already dismissed the series out of hand because of its fandom so who cares. Infinitum posted:It's video game werewolf/mafia I thought that was Gnosia 
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May 31, 2021 14:58
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Infinitum posted:Battle Royale is good though The manga is gross (and good).
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May 31, 2021 15:02
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I like part of the execution music, so that got me curious. But...eh.
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May 31, 2021 15:04
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The Grumbles posted:But at the same time, it's still valid to have a range of opinions, and I think you're talking as if people who review games professionally have absolutely zero understanding about the medium, which is a little unfair and extreme. the problem is the "range of opinions" almost never involves having multiple reviews for a game in mainstream publications, each from a different viewpoint, all published at the same time and given equal footing. it barely ever includes a reviewer focused on accessibility or other requirements from a first person perspective rather than a throw away paragraph in the single headline review. when it comes to large reviewers the range of opinion is nearly always one person, and if that person is awful at the game, or has no perspective on issues that dont impact them, then that place simply does not deal with that part of the game. quote:But I don't agree with what you're saying about critics having an in-depth understanding about the component pieces of a medium. You don't need to know about types of lenses, or cinematography techniques to be a good film critic. There are certain kinds of non-fiction film/music writing where those skills you've described are really essential, but honestly being able to form a valuable opinion shouldn't need a writer to forensically take apart the components of a piece. Yea it helps if you're not tone deaf and reviewing music, and if you're reviewing music you wanna really listen actively. But that kind of forensic thing you're talking about is only useful for a very specific subset of non-fiction writing, for an even more specific audience (for example, I used to live with a cinematographer, who had a ton of books on cinematography, most of which involved examples from mainstream cinema). if you are attempting to review music you cannot simply choose to be unable to listen actively. its not about forensically taking a piece apart, its not about writing "well at bar 4 if you listen in the left channel the second violin part...". if you are unable to properly understand and comprehend what you are hearing you cannot write an effective critique of the piece for review. being able to effectively write a review of a song is being able to understand everything you are hearing, and also write about it in a way that isnt a forensic evaluation. quote:There are loads of kinds of arts criticism, all of which have value to different audiences. In the example of film, there are a lot of writers who don't talk about film in terms of the cinematography, acting, writing or whatever, but approach the film holistically, and maybe have a whole other angle they're approaching it from. Some of the best books and essays on film are weaving personal memoir or cultural commentary with the writer's feeling about the films themselves. The point is, good critical writing isn't about measuring the quality and effectiveness of a list of attributes. That's maybe what makes a good product review, but non-fiction critical writing is a much broader church than that, that take advantage of all kinds of skillsets (the only one in common being that you're a good writer with broad cultural knowledge). we arent talking about books and essays, we are talking mainline reviews. youre conflating writing about art history and being a critic in that sense with someone writing a release window review for a game or album. these are two different things requiring different skillsets. if you want to write an essay on game history or influences on a specific piece, no, you dont need to be mechanically good at games even if the game you are talking about would benefit from it. but if you are writing in ign or whhatever a release day review of a game, you really probably should be able to play the game you are reviewing to a higher than average standard. and that doesnt mean doing it as a product review either, because that could also be done by someone who isnt very good at the game theyre reviewing, and is often what happens: a list of the games features, its graphical prowess and if it actually works and a score. there is a middle ground between broader critical writing and product review which is where standard reviews of games should be sitting imo. and yeah get rid of scores.
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May 31, 2021 15:08
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What is average standard re: video game skill level, how many times can I die to the abyss watchers before I get kicked out of gamer grad school
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May 31, 2021 15:14
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Stux posted:the problem is the "range of opinions" almost never involves having multiple reviews for a game in mainstream publications, each from a different viewpoint, all published at the same time and given equal footing. it barely ever includes a reviewer focused on accessibility or other requirements from a first person perspective rather than a throw away paragraph in the single headline review. when it comes to large reviewers the range of opinion is nearly always one person, and if that person is awful at the game, or has no perspective on issues that dont impact them, then that place simply does not deal with that part of the game. Fortunately there are about a billion reviewers so you aren't forced to read the ones you don't care for. Like who cares what the mainstream or large publications do when there are tons of other options easily available
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May 31, 2021 15:20
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well the obvbious answer is ur own supposition: the issue of the largest and best paid reviewers writing garbage while good critics struggle lol
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May 31, 2021 15:26
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I don't think they are inherently worse, they just care about different poo poo than you do
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May 31, 2021 15:27
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Instead of reading reviews I just use my ultimate gamer senses to already know if I'm going to like a game before I buy it
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May 31, 2021 15:28
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Stux posted:well the obvbious answer is ur own supposition: the issue of the largest and best paid reviewers writing garbage while good critics struggle lol These reviewers get viewed by and make money from some of the biggest morons out there who don’t have even a modicum of critical thinking so leave the capitalists to their capitalism and stick to what’s actually good in the world.
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May 31, 2021 15:32
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Ross (Rubberross) recently put out a video of his girlfriend Giwi playing east endless in Mario Maker. She has played almost no side scrolling platformers/Mario games from what I understand. She has played the 3D ones, but those don't require you to hold a button to run. So it was fascinating watching someone who has never played a side scroller just not have any idea how to do anything. It's easy to take for granted how naturally platforming comes for a lot of us
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May 31, 2021 15:34
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Andrast posted:I don't think they are inherently worse, they just care about different poo poo than you do agreed. they simply care about other thtings. now, time to give a review with a score that means "ok to good" to a game so buggy it cannot be played, failing to even deliver an effective product review let alone any form of crit
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May 31, 2021 15:36
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Stux posted:agreed. they simply care about other thtings. now, time to give a review with a score that means "ok to good" to a game so buggy it cannot be played, failing to even deliver an effective product review let alone any form of crit have you considered a job at ign?
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May 31, 2021 15:37
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I've yet to found the reviewer that most relates to me, where maybe they talk about the first 30 minutes of a game and then have several paragraphs gradually going off topic daydreaming up bad builds in Path of Exile and then finally concluding that no, in fact, you don't really have time to invest in that game and what were we talking about anyway? Oh right breath of the wild.
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May 31, 2021 15:40
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not even my friends can tell what games i would like
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May 31, 2021 15:40
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Pollyanna posted:Can someone explain to me the appeal of Dangan Ronpa? I watched a video of the executions n poo poo but this just kinda seems sociopathic and creepy. Solving a mystery
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May 31, 2021 15:41
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Andrast posted:have you considered a job at ign? i tried but they screened me with a deathmatch game of doom 2 against all their staff. after going 30 kill sw ith zero deaths i was hounded out of the offices with crucifixes and holy water
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May 31, 2021 15:41
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Real hurthling! posted:Solving a mystery or rewrite history
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May 31, 2021 15:41
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oddium posted:not even my friends can tell what games i would like anodyne 2
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May 31, 2021 15:41
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Stux posted:i tried but they screened me with a deathmatch game of doom 2 against all their staff. after going 30 kill sw ith zero deaths i was hounded out of the offices with crucifixes and holy water you're supposed to throw against your future boss, you'll never get hired that way
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May 31, 2021 15:44
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Stux can only throw shade. Never a match
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May 31, 2021 15:46
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What is the best deathmatch map, and why is it Q3DM17?
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May 31, 2021 15:52
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Infinitum posted:What is the best deathmatch map, and why is it Q3DM17? CTF Face
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May 31, 2021 16:06
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Do you ever just want to scream at how intentionally and constantly negative some posters are Like i just don't know how anyone is still having fun with irony I don't know never mind whatever
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May 31, 2021 16:06
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I'm all in on sarcasm myself
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May 31, 2021 16:09
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Or was that cynicism? Ah well, one or the other
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May 31, 2021 16:10
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Edit: lol never mind
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May 31, 2021 16:16
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A Sometimes Food posted:CTF Face That is clearly not a deathmatch map
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May 31, 2021 16:17
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Stux posted:
I don't think I'm conflating anything, friend! There are multiple ways to respond to a piece of media, and nearly all of those responses have the capacity to give you a sense of whether it's a piece of media you yourself want to experience. As you say, a middle ground between broader critical writing and product review. But I'd rather have someone who is really good at critically engaging with something but is maybe of average (or even below average!) mechanical skill. A good games writer will be aware of their own physical dexterity in relation to how skill-focused a game is and take that into account in their writing. I guess my point is if someone's spend a long rear end time honing their skills as a writer and a critic but happens to have bad reflexes, I'd still much rather read their work than some twitchy 19 year old with no cultural frame of reference beyond video games themselves. But really there's a surplus of games writing out there and you can just not burden yourself with the writing you don't like, to be honest. Like, it should be obvious from my responses that I find critical responses that look too closely at the machinery of a thing to be a bit tedious and missing the point of art. Like that bald youtube music reviewer guy that people seem to love. The way he reviews albums, its like you've just had your car in for servicing and he's giving you a list of parts you need replaced. It just misses the point and appeal of music for me. Simone Magus posted:Do you ever just want to scream at how intentionally and constantly negative some posters are lol yeah. I think the last decade or so of human history has shown us that maybe irony for its own sake, just as a kind of defense mechanism against expressing any kind of real or earnest sentiment that would risk making yourself emotionally vulnerable, is maybe bad?? The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 16:24 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 16:18
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Infinitum posted:It's video game werewolf/mafia No it's not. That's Gnosia. Dangan Ronpa is a murder mystery game but with Battle Royale flavor
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May 31, 2021 16:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTLbaktF0CYSimone Magus posted:Do you ever just want to scream at how intentionally and constantly negative some posters are No RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 16:30 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 16:27
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Infinitum posted:What is the best deathmatch map, and why is it Q3DM17? Block fort
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May 31, 2021 16:39
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The Longest Yard 
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