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Which of these pink video game heroes is best This poll is closed.
Kirby	126	71.59%
Jigglypuff	34	19.32%
Clefairy	16	9.09%
Total:	176 votes

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Stux: Nov 17, 2006

The Grumbles posted:

Nobody should listen to, think about, write about or otherwise engage with math rock however

im going t o destrou you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2ydFHebKgQ

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 00:02

Amp: Sep 10, 2010

Gaius Marius posted:

For what reason? I don't agree with him a lot, but he's pretty insightful when I listen to him. He can clearly state the why of why he dislikes something and can explain how a system works, something most games journalists completely fail at.

He's no troy goodfellow though

In the sense that things that get him excited to talk about games are not the kinds of things I enjoy while playing games. I've found that for whatever reason to my ear he's very persuasive when he talks about games and I've been burned on a couple of purchases because he talked glowingly about games that I didn't end up liking.

# ? May 31, 2021 18:25

Stux: Nov 17, 2006

oh i only picked music because i have terminal music brain so its easier fo rme to relate it lol

# ? May 31, 2021 18:25

bone emulator: Nov 3, 2005; Wrrroavr

Except for the very loud and angry minority that sends death threats to reviewers for not giving perfect marks to their favorite multi-million dollar franchise, does anyone really read or care about reviews?

# ? May 31, 2021 18:26

Ostentatious: Sep 29, 2010

i will say a lot of the game reviewer ppl on websites are probably much better at reviewing video games than the youtubers who make 8 hour long videos of rambling horseshit that doesn't matter but then puts 'critique' in the title to try and make it sound fancy

# ? May 31, 2021 18:29

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

I haven't found any reviewers with tastes sufficiently close to mine to be useful to me so I just ask goons about games

# ? May 31, 2021 18:32

The Grumbles: Jun 5, 2006

Whizzing Wizard posted:

Except for the very loud and angry minority that sends death threats to reviewers for not giving perfect marks to their favorite multi-million dollar franchise, does anyone really read or care about reviews?

developers, i guess, because bonuses can be tied to metacritic scores.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

The general quality of game reviewing is markedly worse than the reviewing around other types of media when you look at the most prominent venues for this kind of criticism. This is primarily due to contextual factors that limit who ends up doing this work, and further limit the quality of the work:

1.The review of books, films, theatre, music, art, etc. derive from traditions that focused on refined aesthetic sensibility on the part of critics. The legacy of games reviews is from consumer reports on computer software as established in enthusiast magazines from the 1980s that prioritized technical factors, with the question of "fun" retrofitted as a quasi-technical consideration. This has resulted in a different prioritization of what people expect should be discussed in a game review.
2. Rather than the couple hours it might take to watch a film or listen to an album, or even the 8-10 hours to read a typical novel, many AAA games (the ones that mostly get reviewed in publication spaces) are 20 hours or more. Even when publications are able to give reviewers the proper time to experience the work, this still pushes reviewers into a grinding mentality that limits the possibilities for reflection or exploration, and because games are interactive, this context actually shapes how they play the game and what experiences they can have to write about. In any case, lots of reviewers don't have that time, because
3. Game publishers are actively hostile to reviewers in ways that the distributors of other media are not. The trend among publishers has been to narrow the window of when review codes for games are sent out -- if they even send them out as all, as many publishers have realized there's no upside to working with publications when they have strong PR influence and social media/streamers to deliver their preferred message. When publishers do work with reviewers, there are extremely strict embargos that limit the range of what reviewers can mention, which severely limits the potential for a thorough discussion. (The release day reviews of RE8 were not allowed to mention the boss fights or "Ethan's story")
4. Game audiences are actively hostile to reviewers in ways that fans of other media (excepting "geek media" where this energy comes from) are not. Many people who have done game reviews have talked about how doing almost anything else at all was more fulfilling, because if a reviewer writes or rates anything outside of the window set by pre-release hype, this opens them up to online harassment from disgruntled gamers. This turns away potentially insightful critics who don't want to deal with managing receiving death threats in all their socials as an unpaid part of the job. It also introduces significant churn, as even those who do review games rarely stick with it for more than a few years, which again limits how much the reviewer's sensibilities and skill sets can be developed.

yeah this is all correct. Especially points 1 and 4, where you have an audience that has grown up with game reviews as consumer purchasing advice butting heads with publications trying to grow beyond that. I mean, games are way more expensive and time consuming than films or whatever, so it's complicated, but you've got audiences who want games to be respected as art but don't want games criticism to function like arts criticism.

i'd also add in that unless you're writing for the top 2 or 3 video game websites, for the website publishing your work to turn a profit, your writing needs to be so aggressively SEO optimized that there's no room for any writing that's in any way meaningful or idiosyncratic.

# ? May 31, 2021 18:34

Acerbatus: Jun 26, 2020; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pollyanna posted:

Can someone explain to me the appeal of Dangan Ronpa? I watched a video of the executions n poo poo but this just kinda seems sociopathic and creepy.

Social critique, mystery and interesting characters were the intent

The writer went on at some length about his disdain for all the knockoffs that were just about the elaborate death traps and the fans who disregarded everything else.

# ? May 31, 2021 18:34

Stux: Nov 17, 2006

i gues we can all agree gamers must be stopped

# ? May 31, 2021 18:35

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Andrast posted:

I don't think there is anything a music review could do to make me gain any value from it

Really? You've never had someone's writing influence how you appreciate a piece of music?

It takes talent to put this stuff into words, but musical criticism is as valid as any, imo.

# ? May 31, 2021 18:36

Khanstant: Apr 5, 2007

you can put a gamer down but you can never be sure how many more lives they still have

# ? May 31, 2021 18:37

Looper: Mar 1, 2012

gamers die twice...

# ? May 31, 2021 18:38

Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

Rinkles posted:

Really? You've never had someone's writing influence how you appreciate a piece of music?

It takes talent to put this stuff into words, but musical criticism is as valid as any, imo.

literally no

My affinity for music goes as far as "sounds good so I like it" and nothing deeper than that. I'm not saying that musical criticism isn't valid, just that it has no value for me personally.

# ? May 31, 2021 18:43

Simone Magus: Sep 30, 2020; by VideoGames

I definitely "get" what's "going down" here today

It's definitely "not" alienating

# ? May 31, 2021 18:48

Amp: Sep 10, 2010

Simone Magus posted:

I definitely "get" what's "going down" here today

It's definitely "not" alienating

very cool posting love to see whatever the gently caress this is

# ? May 31, 2021 18:50

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Simone Magus posted:

I definitely "get" what's "going down" here today

It's definitely "not" alienating

what

# ? May 31, 2021 18:51

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

what's going down here, is people are having a civil and friendly disagreement on what games reviews should be and whether or not reviews as they exist are that

# ? May 31, 2021 18:52

Arzaac: Jan 2, 2020

cheetah7071 posted:

I haven't found any reviewers with tastes sufficiently close to mine to be useful to me so I just ask goons about games

Goons in general have pretty good taste imo, I have a much better time asking if a game is good here than going to reviews

# ? May 31, 2021 18:52

CubeTheory: Mar 26, 2010; Cube Reversal

I just want to say something I've thought about a lot lately and had to learn for myself over time. The internet and it's discourse are not your friends. You can have friends online, and you can even make friends online, but the internet, and the forums, cannot be your friend. It cannot be your support network. It cannot be an unshakeable relationship to ground you, it cannot be a safe space. Like quicksand, the harder you struggle to make it these things the faster you will sink. Take what you can from the internet to enrich your life, but do not make it your life.

# ? May 31, 2021 18:57

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

Simone Magus posted:

I definitely "get" what's "going down" here today

It's definitely "not" alienating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U18EuNN2D0

# ? May 31, 2021 18:57

hatty: Feb 28, 2011; Pork Pro

Neon Genesis Evangelion 5.55: It�s Definitely (Not) Alienating

# ? May 31, 2021 18:58

FirstAidKite: Nov 8, 2009

Chronic fatigue kicking in, gonna pass out sometime soon, but I wanna post real quick to let everyone know I hope your day is going well and be good to each other. if your day's not going well I know it'll get better sooner than later, just take some rest if you can and it's all gonna be fine in the end.

stay gold

# ? May 31, 2021 18:58

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

My current story based game I am playing on PC is Solasta Crown of the Magister, but i'm leaning towards not really liking it. Story is just too basic. What I do like is the Dungeons & Dragons 5.1 edition ruleset that it uses, and follows very closely. You also get to create your own 4 person party. It feels like you're playing the actual pen & paper game but solo, and the game itself is the dungeon master who is pretty new to being a DM.

# ? May 31, 2021 19:00

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

FirstAidKite posted:

Chronic fatigue kicking in, gonna pass out sometime soon, but I wanna post real quick to let everyone know I hope your day is going well and be good to each other. if your day's not going well I know it'll get better sooner than later, just take some rest if you can and it's all gonna be fine in the end.

stay gold

I am watching good Twitch streams today, and playing video games. I saw friends yesterday, and that was really nice.

# ? May 31, 2021 19:01

Gaius Marius: Oct 9, 2012

ShallNoiseUpon posted:

In the sense that things that get him excited to talk about games are not the kinds of things I enjoy while playing games. I've found that for whatever reason to my ear he's very persuasive when he talks about games and I've been burned on a couple of purchases because he talked glowingly about games that I didn't end up liking.

That's fair. Him being persuasive I think is mostly a function of him actually being able to create a coherent argument and discuss a game without resorting to banal non phrases. E.g. Game rear end game

I feel the same way with Austin Walker, He's got a good mind for analyzing media and is able to talk about it in a persuasive and elucidating manner. The games he likes just happen to be ones I find very very boring. Luckily Invisble inc was only like ten dollars.

Arzaac posted:

Goons in general have pretty good taste imo, I have a much better time asking if a game is good here than going to reviews

I've never been burned harder than goons telling me Archer was funny. Absolute terrible series

# ? May 31, 2021 19:01

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

is planet zoo good

# ? May 31, 2021 19:01

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

oddium posted:

is planet zoo good

I've enjoyed it, just making exhibits in sandbox mode, so I don't have to stress too much about money and staffing.

# ? May 31, 2021 19:02

Looper: Mar 1, 2012

FirstAidKite posted:

Chronic fatigue kicking in, gonna pass out sometime soon, but I wanna post real quick to let everyone know I hope your day is going well and be good to each other. if your day's not going well I know it'll get better sooner than later, just take some rest if you can and it's all gonna be fine in the end.

stay gold

happy monday fak. i'm doing alright, just playing some sonic colors and enjoying not having to work today thanks to some dead people

# ? May 31, 2021 19:04

wuggles: Jul 12, 2017

FirstAidKite posted:

Chronic fatigue kicking in, gonna pass out sometime soon, but I wanna post real quick to let everyone know I hope your day is going well and be good to each other. if your day's not going well I know it'll get better sooner than later, just take some rest if you can and it's all gonna be fine in the end.

stay gold

Thanks FAK, have a good sleep!

# ? May 31, 2021 19:05

homeless snail: Mar 14, 2007

Simone Magus posted:

I definitely "get" what's "going down" here today

It's definitely "not" alienating

"yeah" "

# ? May 31, 2021 19:05

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

I said come in! posted:

My current story based game I am playing on PC is Solasta Crown of the Magister, but i'm leaning towards not really liking it. Story is just too basic. What I do like is the Dungeons & Dragons 5.1 edition ruleset that it uses, and follows very closely. You also get to create your own 4 person party. It feels like you're playing the actual pen & paper game but solo, and the game itself is the dungeon master who is pretty new to being a DM.

I played it for a few hours and I'm starting to feel the same way. Mechanically it's fine but it lacks any kind of spark in its storytelling.

# ? May 31, 2021 19:06