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vyelkin posted:I think this is broadly accurate. White Canadians think of residential schools as strict boarding schools where children occasionally died. You don't have to look very far for this, that's the crux of what Sassafrass said in a particularly callous way a few pages ago. If white Canadians acknowledge it as genocide at all, they acknowledge it as cultural genocide that tried to eradicate indigenous culture, not as physical genocide that murdered countless children. This kind of news, the physical remains of dead children in numbers people previously didn't realize, is the only kind of thing that breaks through that cozy feeling of "well we did something bad but it wasn't that bad, really". The thing is most of the residential schools are Catholic in nature and the way they handled them in Canada isn't that much different then the Spanish missions or Ireland, and remembering the body counts of both that's not a good thing.  My dad is french canadian and he ran away from a residential school in Northern Alberta to work on a farm and it probably saved his life. I'm definately wearing orange today.
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May 31, 2021 23:01
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Springs Cult needs to burn down already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBbhlePuvP8 This isn't Christianity - it's mega
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May 31, 2021 23:09
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I could do without the crocodile tears from politicians and public health officers. What good is fake grief and an affected tremble in your voice when tomorrow you'll go back to business as usual.
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May 31, 2021 23:10
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Arcsquad12 posted:I could do without the crocodile tears from politicians and public health officers. What good is fake grief and an affected tremble in your voice when tomorrow you'll go back to business as usual. Exactly. Remember that just last year the RCMP were taking the side of white fisherman burning down Mi'kmaq fishing buildings, among countless other ongoing crimes. If politicians really want to do something about it, they could. Vintersorg posted:None of this stuff was ever taught. Here is a painting that I like, by the Akwesasne Mohawk artist David Kanietakeron Fadden. It's called "Kill the Indian, save the Man." 
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May 31, 2021 23:23
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vyelkin posted:I think this is broadly accurate. White Canadians think of residential schools as strict boarding schools where children occasionally died. You don't have to look very far for this, that's the crux of what Sassafrass said in a particularly callous way a few pages ago. If white Canadians acknowledge it as genocide at all, they acknowledge it as cultural genocide that tried to eradicate indigenous culture, not as physical genocide that murdered countless children. This kind of news, the physical remains of dead children in numbers people previously didn't realize, is the only kind of thing that breaks through that cozy feeling of "well we did something bad but it wasn't that bad, really". Even if you are a Canadian that believes they were really bad and were a genocide, you still were probably not actually expecting an unmarked mass grave of children that had kids dumped into it within living memory.
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May 31, 2021 23:23
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My girlfriend's (white) dad went to a residential school as a child and some of the stories I've got second-hand are horrifying. I also work for the BC gov and they've made a huge push on first nation stuff recently - everyone has an hour session biweekly to learn about the history/culture/genocide of the local first nations, and it's also getting inserted into things like hunting license - history and why first nations don't need a hunting license. There is also a ton of first nations stuff being inserted into the school curriculum, the justice system is being overhauled re: first nations, all kinds of stuff. It's baby steps obviously, but better than before.
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May 31, 2021 23:34
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My unnamed government department has made an Indigenous studies program a mandatory course and is "strongly encouraging" people to educate themselves on the history of the First Nations and Canada.Drunk Canuck posted:Speaking of Oka! Their willingness to turn and face a past atrocity and call it by its name? (A better move might've been to predict this need, and to just not talk about Indigenous people at all)
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May 31, 2021 23:55
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IDK, I think acknowledging past atrocities is an essential first step. Pretending to be blameless accomplishes nothing.
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Jun 1, 2021 00:09
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Femtosecond posted:Following up on the fact that the government denied funding in 2009 for further investigation of residential schools the tweet author followed up by finding that there was funding added in 2016 when the government changed. I wonder what changed in the federal government between 2009 and 2016? Oh, right. Like, the Liberals are poo poo and all that, but at least they're not actively trying to cover up genocide.
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Jun 1, 2021 01:05
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Crow Buddy posted:Even if you are a Canadian that believes they were really bad and were a genocide, you still were probably not actually expecting an unmarked mass grave of children that had kids dumped into it within living memory. I mean, no offence meant, but what is the other possibility? We knew children would simply “disappear” so where exactly did you think they were ending up?
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Jun 1, 2021 01:13
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PT6A posted:I mean, no offence meant, but what is the other possibility? We knew children would simply “disappear” so where exactly did you think they were ending up?
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Jun 1, 2021 02:34
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Drunk Canuck posted:Speaking of Oka! whatever it is, it's gone now TAKE PICTURES OF TWEETS YOU'RE MOCKING
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Jun 1, 2021 03:13
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Tippecanoe posted:I think there's a large propaganda machine in Canada dedicated to ideas like the residential school system was for the benefit of children, or that the acrimony between indigenous people and the government is based on cultural differences and not a history of colonialism and modern genocide. Right, I was talking about the “Canadian who thinks they’re really bad, and genocide” but is then shocked by mass graves. That’s usually what genocides look like: a bunch of dead bodies. And I mean maybe it’s the truth of “one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic” and that, when people say “X number of people died” they don’t really connect that means X corpses as a result and they all end up somewhere.
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Jun 1, 2021 03:23
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people are just very good at not hearing things that challenge their beliefs. the poo poo that came out about john furlong and residential schools and the catholic church in bc in 2012-2015 was disgusting and appalling and up there with the jimmy saville disclosures in the uk but he still got invited to speak at ubc in 2017 and was asked to participate in some calgary olympic bid in 2018. if anyone remembers the scandal they likely remember his suing for defamation and consider the matter settled even though he withdrew his case rather than go to discovery because of the mountain of evidence against him there's zero excuse for anyone to be suprised about the mass grave discovery. it's exactly what you would expect given what we know about the residential schools/native genocide program/institutionalized abuse in the catholic church/elites getting away with abhorrent acts for basically the last 100 years everytime there's a jeffrey epstein or harvey weinstein or whatever we act like it's this monumental unprecedented event even though this poo poo happens regularly. it's time to stop acting like this poo poo doesn't happen
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Jun 1, 2021 03:43
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Arivia posted:whatever it is, it's gone now CAF tweeter remarked on the tragedy of the 215 Someone replied "you are in the caf" CAF tweeter replied with a link to an article about the Oka crisis to put their correspondent's post in context
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Jun 1, 2021 04:26
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PT6A posted:I mean, no offence meant, but what is the other possibility? We knew children would simply “disappear” so where exactly did you think they were ending up? None taken it is a huge blind spot. I went to school earlier than some in the thread. I suppose I figured when kids died there was some record of it and the parents were notified, and the police just ignored the murders. Not literal Pickton farms.
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Jun 1, 2021 06:21
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Crow Buddy posted:None taken it is a huge blind spot. I went to school earlier than some in the thread. Honestly, I thought the same when it occurred to me at all. The first I ever heard of systemic abuse at the schools was when I was attending university, and even then it was just a video of survivors stories on I think it would have been the public access channel (which gives you an idea how long ago it was, but it was in the mid 90s) late at night while I was surfing around for something to watch on Showcase or Bravo. I thought that there would be records, somewhere, so that it could be accounted for which was incredibly naive of me.
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Jun 1, 2021 06:42
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PT6A posted:Right, I was talking about the “Canadian who thinks they’re really bad, and genocide” but is then shocked by mass graves. There's a hosed up reality where even if something is """merely""''" a cultural genocide, that still belies a state where people have been dehumanized to the point that the people enacting it are utterly ambivalent to the lives or deaths of the victims.
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Jun 1, 2021 08:13
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There's a hosed up reality where even if something is """merely""''" a cultural genocide, that still belies a state where people have been dehumanized to the point that the people enacting it are utterly ambivalent to the lives or deaths of the victims. That's sort of the state of the whole world though (not that it excuses Canada in any way). Is there any country where a most of the people in it have legitimately acknowledged and atoned for all the horrible things they had done in the past? Germany is the only possible exception that springs to mind, and in that case the scale was just too large (and Germany was so throughly defeated) that it was impossible to ignore.
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Jun 1, 2021 10:38
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enki42 posted:That's sort of the state of the whole world though (not that it excuses Canada in any way). Is there any country where a most of the people in it have legitimately acknowledged and atoned for all the horrible things they had done in the past? Germany is the only possible exception that springs to mind, and in that case the scale was just too large (and Germany was so throughly defeated) that it was impossible to ignore.
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Jun 1, 2021 12:29
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Sashimi posted:New Zealand? Nope.
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Jun 1, 2021 12:33
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Germany has acknowledged the Holocaust, but only literally this month (May 2021) decided to start paying some reparations for the genocide of the Herero and Namaqua in colonial Namibia. It was only in 2015 that they even acknowledged it at all. The idea of moral attonement on a national level is sort of a joke, the very existence of the nation state is premised on exclusion and violence. Canada can't move forward from residential schools because the underlying exploitative and oppresive logic that led to them is still very much at the core of the Canadian project. The best you can expect is a token recognition and a pittance paid decades or centuries after the fact. More than that would require an actual revolutionary transformation of Canada, in particular built on centering indigenous governance at its core.
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Jun 1, 2021 13:43
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Handsome Ralph posted:Yeah 100% agreed with this. I started following Ottawa Citizen news articles when I moved here so I could be more up on local news. The comments are so vile and hateful that I'm not sure I will continue. I think it's important to be reminded of the existence of these views and to speak the truth wherever these liars show up, but it's fighting an endless wave. But then I feel a bit lovely about complaining about it because indigenous and black and other oppressed peoples have been getting this in person for centuries and not just from some idiots in a comments section. A quick scroll through shows me that the most common 'theory' is that all these children probably would have died from disease or something else anyway, so it doesn't count. Ottawa also had a recent spate of gang-related shootings. A huge number of the comments are about "3rd world imports" and that we need to "deport all these people". Canada is racist as gently caress.
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Jun 1, 2021 14:15
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Fidelitious posted:Ottawa also had a recent spate of gang-related shootings. A huge number of the comments are about "3rd world imports" and that we need to "deport all these people". Don't worry though, the police say the shootings aren't related to one another. We just have several armed people running about at the same time.
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Jun 1, 2021 14:49
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Fidelitious posted:The comments I think I've found your problem
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Jun 1, 2021 14:55
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Update on vaccine mixing for the AZ crew: Canada to recommend mixing and matching AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccinesquote:Canada is changing its guidelines on mixing and matching second doses of COVID-19 vaccines and will advise Canadians to combine either the AstraZeneca-Oxford, Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna shots interchangeably in certain situations.
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Jun 1, 2021 14:56
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ZeeBoi posted:Update on vaccine mixing for the AZ crew: Canada to recommend mixing and matching AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines quote:The study found those who had an initial dose of AstraZeneca vaccine and got a second shot of Pfizer had an increase in IgG antibodies — which are commonly found in the bloodstream and play a key role in creating memory cells that fight the virus — that were 30 to 40 times higher than in a control group who only received one AstraZeneca dose. Mix and match baby, I'm loving in.
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Jun 1, 2021 14:58
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I guess we'll find out later if it's worthwhile to get AZ as your second shot if you're already in Pfiz Crew or are a Modernite?
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Jun 1, 2021 15:07
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I'm down with switching to pfizer or moderna for my second dose with my only concern being if other countries will recognize it when travelling.
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Jun 1, 2021 15:07
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flakeloaf posted:I think I've found your problem Yeah Canada is racist but newspaper comment sections are inhabited strictly by exceedingly racist old boomers
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Jun 1, 2021 15:13
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flashy_mcflash posted:I guess we'll find out later if it's worthwhile to get AZ as your second shot if you're already in Pfiz Crew or are a Modernite? I don't think they'll even consider that. I have a feeling they want to get away from giving AZ to anyone other than the first dosers.
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Jun 1, 2021 15:22
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Hey guess who's loving lovely yet again! (Not Canadaland, it's national disgrace Rosie Dimanno) quote:Toronto Star Columnist’s Homeless Cosplay Experiment is Journalistic Malpractice
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Jun 1, 2021 15:41
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Friend of mine who works for Conestoga College got an email from their manager of aboriginal services saying there's likely going to be more news coming from the Brantford and Chippewas or Thames residential school sites.
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Jun 1, 2021 15:41
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ZeeBoi posted:I don't think they'll even consider that. I have a feeling they want to get away from giving AZ to anyone other than the first dosers. Yeah reading between the lines this is more for what to do if we don't have enough AZ for second shots. Other than that it sounds like AZ is going to be essentially shelved since given the amount of mRNA coming in it's not really needed.
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Jun 1, 2021 16:22
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enki42 posted:That's sort of the state of the whole world though (not that it excuses Canada in any way). Is there any country where a most of the people in it have legitimately acknowledged and atoned for all the horrible things they had done in the past? Germany is the only possible exception that springs to mind, and in that case the scale was just too large (and Germany was so throughly defeated) that it was impossible to ignore. AFAIK, Japan still officially asserts that it did nothing wrong during WW2, including "comfort women" and the rape of Nanking, though it's very sorry the affected people had a bad time.
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Jun 1, 2021 16:27
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A friend of a friend had a C-Section done in a Winnipeg hospital and was discharged in under 24 hours because she was told there wasn't enough room or staff to continue care.
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Jun 1, 2021 16:30
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The Hiroshima museum "recall[s] with great sorrow the many lives sacrificed to mistaken national policy", which is the closest thing I've ever seen to an admission... not that I've looked that hard, of course
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Jun 1, 2021 16:34
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DariusLikewise posted:A friend of a friend had a C-Section done in a Winnipeg hospital and was discharged in under 24 hours because she was told there wasn't enough room or staff to continue care. Do me a favor, bring this person a cassarole or something. Recovering from regular labour is hard enough but c sections are major surgery.
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Jun 1, 2021 16:35
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Arcsquad12 posted:Friend of mine who works for Conestoga College got an email from their manager of aboriginal services saying there's likely going to be more news coming from the Brantford and Chippewas or Thames residential school sites. Oh yeah, if we start looking we are going to find a lot of bodies everywhere. Sending ground penetrating radar to every residential school is the only way to start getting at the truth and no politician will do it.
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Jun 1, 2021 16:37
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Alctel posted:Yeah Canada is racist but newspaper comment sections are inhabited strictly by exceedingly racist old boomers I wish there was a non-conservative owned paper I could get my local news from. Alas, I live in Edmonton.
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