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Chamale posted:I'm driving to the Blackfoot Confederacy on the US border next week to get my second vaccine dose, since Canada hosed up getting vaccines so bad. Anyone reading the thread from southern Alberta should look into it. June 8th and 9th. i'm getting the secret vaccine that nobody's heard of
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Yeah, the hostility towards Quebec is really weird. It smacks of liberals looking for a people it's socially acceptable to poo poo on.
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Jun 1, 2021 01:21
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in my experience people from quebec tend to be smug assholes, but people from anywhere tend to be smug assholes so
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Jun 1, 2021 01:29
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Its that time posted:In the 60s, the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism concluded the normal Quebecker (more or less 30% of the total pop at that time) ranked third to last (in front of Italians and Natives) on an average revenue list. Definetly historically priviledged. We're not even talking about access to education, healthcare or hell, even finance (banks being off limit to french speakers). The commission judged the situation alarming... and we're talking 1960s here, it's not prehistoric. Being a French speaker in Canada still means being underpaid, still carrying on that historic gap through the ages and slowly catching on. Reminder that this conversation started because a prominent academic suggested placing Francophones together with First Nations Canadians as part of "number of people oppressed by imperialism", thus erasing the reason BIPOC is a term which is because it's about a relationship to whiteness, not imperialism or the erasure of culture. That article was posted in response to exhuming hundreds of dead Secwepemc kids, e: who also died pretty recently, I might add. Your points can be both valid and correct and it still doesn't erase the fact that the original article was making a rather offensive assertion. Also: quote:Keep in mind Quebec never chose to be part of Canada, it was imposed by force of arms. How should you treat a nation that got forced to include a country is up to you, but I read lots of ''we know what's best for you, let us choose for you'' positions. Just like in the previous adventures like: conscription, prohibition, etc. Gee... I wonder who else didn't plan on being part of Canada... 🤔
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Jun 1, 2021 01:30
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that seven year long holy war over whether or not to let the Habsburgs rule Europe continues to have some rather baffling consequences to this day
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Jun 1, 2021 01:31
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Kazinsal posted:that seven year long holy war over whether or not to let the Habsburgs rule Europe continues to have some rather baffling consequences to this day i don't believe that actually happened until ubisoft montreal makes it into a video game and I can kill the leaders as a sexy assassin
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Jun 1, 2021 01:40
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Arivia posted:i don't believe that actually happened until ubisoft montreal makes it into a video game and I can kill the leaders as a sexy assassin if anyone could make the seven years war horny, it’d be ubisoft
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Jun 1, 2021 01:44
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Kazinsal posted:if anyone could make the seven years war horny, it’d be ubisoft assassin's creed: seven year itch
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Jun 1, 2021 01:48
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Entropic posted:I wonder how many people think BIPOC means bisexual people of colour. i did for awhile but that was entirely a timing thing - i first encountered the acronym without any good context clues moments after i discovered bisexuality is real and my brain just jammed the two together
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Jun 1, 2021 01:56
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Ubisoft never makes political games
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Jun 1, 2021 02:22
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PhilippAchtel posted:liberals looking for a people it's socially acceptable to poo poo on. This is Internet Leftists in a nutshell.
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Jun 1, 2021 02:24
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I don't think anyone here is denying the history of Quebec. I'm just saying the idea that white francophones today have more in common with BIPOC than they do with white anglophones is absurd, it smacks of revisionist history meant to obfuscate the realities faced by racialized individuals, especially indigenous folks.
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Jun 1, 2021 03:11
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I spent decades in NB, been to Quebec tons, I also have a bunch of francophone and indigenous friends. It is extremely obvious to me that those two groups face radically different challenges. I've never heard my francophone friends tell me about poo poo the rcmp did to them or their family. I've definitely seen anti-francophone sentiment, the anglo-soceity in NB was one such example, but again, my indigenous friends have had people throw bottles at them from cars while shouting slurs at them. It just doesn't seem to compare.
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Jun 1, 2021 03:15
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Let's go back to getting mad about home ownership that seemed like it was less awful than stressing about marginalization of bisexual francophones
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Jun 1, 2021 03:39
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Canada needs more affordable, high quality... British cheese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYzTxpd20sg
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Jun 1, 2021 03:54
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I'm actually reading new and interesting information in this discussion, unlike the struggle session on houses. I think it's fair to say that Francophones still face systemic barriers in Canada, but it's nowhere near as extensive as the ones faced by racialized people. I'm French-Canadian but had to go to school in English because Calgary's only French-language school is an awful Catholic school. I now speak English at home and have lost a lot of fluency in French.
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Jun 1, 2021 03:56
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Chamale posted:the struggle session on houses. Ah comrade, I see you own a house, a shame.
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Jun 1, 2021 04:10
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congrat to antiracist campaigners the montreal canadiens for striking a blow against anglo canada today https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1399538583736889346
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Jun 1, 2021 06:03
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Not sure how lovely this is to say but the francophones were also colonizers. The French and the English were playing the same messed up game and the French lost. That doesn't justify the discrimination and oppression of Francophones but I think it makes it very different than the relationship between colonizers and Indigenous peoples. And that's before getting to stealing children etc.
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Jun 1, 2021 06:25
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Really don't like the term BIPOC. I get the point of it, but that kind of weird academic jargon just alienates people
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Jun 1, 2021 06:26
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Goosed it. posted:Not sure how lovely this is to say but the francophones were also colonizers. The French and the English were playing the same messed up game and the French lost. That doesn't justify the discrimination and oppression of Francophones but I think it makes it very different than the relationship between colonizers and Indigenous peoples. And that's before getting to stealing children etc. Yeah. The French and English were both stealing land, and the English ended up winning that war then gave the French some scraps. Using a historical basis to describe Francos as an oppressed class will 100% only lead to chauvinism. There is no class division between anglos and francos, the only difference is that francos didn't get a bigger piece of the pie. The working class in Trois-Rivières, Saint John, and Winnipeg, are under the thumb of the bourgeoisie from Toronto and Montreal. The Indigenous in Quebec, Labrador, Alberta, and the Territories all experience the same crushing subjugation from white francos and anglos. The international proletariat are exploited by all white north americans just the same.
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Jun 1, 2021 08:59
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Kindest Forums User posted:Yeah. The French and English were both stealing land, and the English ended up winning that war then gave the French some scraps. Using a historical basis to describe Francos as an oppressed class will 100% only lead to chauvinism. There is no class division between anglos and francos, the only difference is that francos didn't get a bigger piece of the pie. The working class in Trois-Rivières, Saint John, and Winnipeg, are under the thumb of the bourgeoisie from Toronto and Montreal. The Indigenous in Quebec, Labrador, Alberta, and the Territories all experience the same crushing subjugation from white francos and anglos. The international proletariat are exploited by all white north americans just the same. I also miss LF But also ditto
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Jun 1, 2021 09:00
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Virtual Russian posted:I also miss LF LF: we need full communism now or everything's going to fall apart! CSPAM: We didn't get full communism and everything fell the gently caress apart lmao
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Jun 1, 2021 12:00
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yes but if I recall LF correctly that's not our fault. the third world was supposed to rise up and put the white settlers into relocation camps
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Jun 1, 2021 12:58
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A Russian troll farm posted:Really don't like the term BIPOC. I get the point of it, but that kind of weird academic jargon just alienates people This is intentional
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Jun 1, 2021 14:04
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Goosed it. posted:Not sure how lovely this is to say but the francophones were also colonizers. The French and the English were playing the same messed up game and the French lost. That doesn't justify the discrimination and oppression of Francophones but I think it makes it very different than the relationship between colonizers and Indigenous peoples. And that's before getting to stealing children etc. No, you have a point here. In Canadian history the French have gotten away with a reputation as being kinder, gentler colonialists but that isn't actually true. What they were was weaker colonialists, so they were forced by nature of having less power to be a little more cooperative and a little less antagonistic to Indigenous people in New France. In places and times where they had the same superior power as the English had, the French were just as murderous and oppressive to Indigenous people as the English were.
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Jun 1, 2021 14:24
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vyelkin posted:No, you have a point here. In Canadian history the French have gotten away with a reputation as being kinder, gentler colonialists but that isn't actually true. What they were was weaker colonialists, so they were forced by nature of having less power to be a little more cooperative and a little less antagonistic History_of_pretty_much_everyone.txt As the current 'victors' of our man eat man global society white Europeans especially Anglos have a moral imperative to be the ones to make the most effort towards braking this cycle of violence and oppression against one another but let's be honest here I don't think there's a group of people on this planet who aren't guilty of being complete shitbags whenever they were strong enough to get away with it.
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Jun 1, 2021 14:45
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I get so much crap for being an anarchist and then people say things like "states are defined by violence" and "all power corrupts"
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Jun 1, 2021 14:52
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"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" - Mr. Dressup
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Jun 1, 2021 15:51
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Femtosecond posted:The recent imposition of state sanctioned employment discrimination against certain groups seems like something Fashionable Jorts posted:Oh you know, just that little niqab ban comes to mind right away the state is areligious. therefore, no person who works for the state can show any type of religious affiliation or partisanship. it is not a niqab ban (and calling it thus is facetious and sensationalist), it is a wholesale religious ban for the enforcement of state neutrality and the separation of church and state. moreover, since 74% of quebecois identify as catholic, you could argue that this law "opresses" them more by simple virtue of quantity i recommend les insolences du frere untel for a humorous decrying of what a religious state-led system looked like
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:the state is areligious. therefore, no person who works for the state can show any type of religious affiliation or partisanship. Sure, but only some religious icons are excluded from the ban. Wonder which those are?
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Jun 1, 2021 16:05
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xtal posted:I get so much crap for being an anarchist and then people say things like "states are defined by violence" and "all power corrupts" 
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Jun 1, 2021 16:08
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:the state is areligious. therefore, no person who works for the state can show any type of religious affiliation or partisanship. it's not a rule against Jews, anyone wearing a yarmulke would be subject to it
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Jun 1, 2021 16:08
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For one, I doubt anyone wearing a cross is getting in trouble. For two, there's a bit of a difference between wearing a cross and a niqab to begin with...
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xtal posted:For one, I doubt anyone wearing a cross is getting in trouble. For two, there's a bit of a difference between wearing a cross and a niqab to begin with... jewels (aka necklaces) are also interdicted. flakeloaf posted:it's not a rule against Jews, anyone wearing a yarmulke would be subject to it you are wrong. it is also a rule against jews. it is a rule against: the fuken law in question posted:Au sens du présent article, est un signe religieux tout objet, notamment un vêtement, un symbole, un bijou, une parure, un accessoire ou un couvre-chef, endless tergiversating about enforcement is incredible bad faith. you are arguing from a position that Quebec won't enforce their own law because they are somehow naturally biased. i would call this prejudice. Testicular Torque Wrench has issued a correction as of 16:22 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 16:20
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god told me in the bible to hide my shame, so i gotta wear pants. unless i'm a government employee, in which case i'm forbidden from wearing my pants (for religious reasons)
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xtal posted:For one, I doubt anyone wearing a cross is getting in trouble. For two, there's a bit of a difference between wearing a cross and a niqab to begin with... Do anarchists always give such sound excuses for racist legislation?
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Jun 1, 2021 16:21
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Testicular Torque Wrench posted:you are wrong you missed my sarcasm
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Jun 1, 2021 16:21
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DariusLikewise posted:the quebec racist bill defender has logged on you would also call it racist if the state was majority catholic and forced people to receive service from people in positions of authority demonstrating "white supremacist affects" such as crucifixes.
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