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Johnny Aztec posted:But good news! There IS another bridge! I’ll just go up north to the next crossing in that direction. Should only take checks notes an hour and fifty minutes.
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I specifically choose appliances that have an actual power switch. You'd think it would be hard but it's only hard if you're a fucken yuppie or a fucken nerd.
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Happiness Commando posted:Sorry friend, you're victim blaming yourself. Indicator LEDs draw miliwatts. Sleeping electronics draw watts. If you're saving power to save money, you'll save maybe a quarter a month in a whole house. If you're saving power to save the environment, most emissions are caused by a hundred companies, not individuals. Piss right the gently caress off with the "I shouldn't make any effort, because there are much worse offenders out there". There are a lot more different things that plug into wall sockets than just electronics, and even with those, older electronics can have surprisingly power-hungry standby modes. That directly affects your electricity bill. While I primarily turn off my electronics because I don't want LEDs lighting up the bedroom at night (small apartment+WFH), the small power saving doesn't hurt. A switch is just the more sensible way to turn something off, especially if you want to turn off a whole extension cord at once. The alternative of making/breaking the connection by connecting and disconnecting the plug, means the plug then has to lay on the floor or dangle somewhere. Not all devices have physical power switches or easily accessible ones. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 10:21
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I just flip the breakers at night to everything except my kitchen and HVAC.
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Jun 1, 2021 10:54
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Saving the world by only installing ring mains.
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Jun 1, 2021 10:58
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Extant Artiodactyl posted:2) fuses on cords smaller than 12 gauge (so...most of them) My immediate, dumb, American (but I repeat myself) thought was "A 12-gauge shell for a fuse? That's one hell of an audio alert when it blows." 
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Jun 1, 2021 12:02
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Dareon posted:My immediate, dumb, American (but I repeat myself) thought was "A 12-gauge shell for a fuse? That's one hell of an audio alert when it blows." Thats not a 12 gauge.
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Of course outlet switches are gonna draw a bunch of vitreol from people in the crappy construction thread.
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Jun 1, 2021 13:15
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gunna wire my house with every single plug having a switch. and all the switches are going to be in the garage
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Jun 1, 2021 13:27
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MattO posted:gunna wire my house with every single plug having a switch. Every outlet has to have a switch, but they're all knife switches.
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Jun 1, 2021 13:33
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I will stop wanting switched outlets when appliance manufacturers stop using blue LEDs for standby lights
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Jun 1, 2021 15:39
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Electrical tape works too.
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KozmoNaut posted:Piss right the gently caress off with the "I shouldn't make any effort, because there are much worse offenders out there". There are a lot more different things that plug into wall sockets than just electronics, and even with those, older electronics can have surprisingly power-hungry standby modes. That directly affects your electricity bill. There are situations where it is more physically convenient to flip a switch than unpluging a cord, especially for people with certain physical disabilities. Also if unplugging the cord would require moving a heavy piece of furniture, but there's enough space for a switch.
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Outlets are usually way too low on the wall to be a good place to have a switch. If they’re over a counter or desk or whatever, now that’s better, but I still don’t have a burning desire for switches there.
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All of the outlets in my condo are at normal light switch height. The only exception is the extra outlet I added next to the cable and interweb plugs, for the router because some dumbass previous owner didn't think a power outlet would be needed there  It's an older building and not in the US, but still. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 16:50
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KozmoNaut posted:All of the outlets in my condo are at normal light switch height. The only exception is the extra outlet I added next to the cable and interweb plugs, for the router because some dumbass previous owner didn't think a power outlet would be needed there What’s normal height for you? In US light switches are typically 4 feet off the floor which seems kinda tall for outlets.
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Around 130cm.
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Jun 1, 2021 17:41
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Moatman posted:This is because those are the oil companies who provide the fuel that gets burned. It's good to take them to task for their poo poo, but it's wrong to assign full blame when we're the ones drawing the electricity from the plants and driving the cars that do the burning. Naw, this is just classic capitalist redirection. "You can't blame me for selling literal barrels of toxic waste with 'POUR IN OCEAN' on the side! Blame the people who buy it!" When the solution is just to simply not provide the things that are harmful, because a lot of people either lack the information or the situation to make a different choice. You can't just tell people to "stop driving cars" when they need them to get to work to pay the rent. But what you can do is tax the companies producing the cars and the fuel for the cars to fund development into changes so they no longer need to, with a long-term view towards shutting down the entire thing, or forcing them to make changes to minimize the damage done. It's always the companies at fault, they just want you to believe they aren't.
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Furthermore, the oil companies release a lot of carbon as part of their processing. It is routine in the oil industry to "flare off" (burn) natural gas that shows up in oil wells because it's just not worth it to set up the infrastructure to resell. Oil and gas refineries also flare. Oil and gas companies want you to believe it's all about the consumers' use of hydrocarbons, but it really, really isn't.
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Switched outlets are strictly a matter of convenience. That's why they are superior to the American system.
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Jaguars! posted:Switched outlets are strictly a matter of convenience. That's why they are superior to the American system. There is no situation where they are convenient. They're literally always further away from you than the switch on the appliance itself.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:49
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Jaguars! posted:Switched outlets are strictly a matter of convenience. That's why they are superior to the American system. Americans have a sense of style that precludes ugly, oversized, square outlets on our walls. I'm actually serious: the new rage is decora-style outlets with screwless plates. It gives a nice, clean look, especially with rocker switches. 
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Jaguars! posted:Switched outlets are strictly a matter of convenience. That's why they are superior to the American system. The american system where if we want a switched outlet we put the switch in it's own box in an easy to reach location?
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B-Nasty posted:Americans have a sense of style that precludes ugly, oversized, square outlets on our walls. Why so shocked and huge?  (Note that these are new-fangled switch-less sockets, introduced only to appease the terminally lazy.)
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Jun 1, 2021 22:52
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Those deep round prong outlets can burn in hell.
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Motronic posted:The american system where if we want a switched outlet we put the switch in it's own box in an easy to reach location? Nobody's stopping you from doing both
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peanut posted:Those deep round prong outlets can burn in hell. But they look so happy!
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GotLag posted:Nobody's stopping you from doing both Why would you? Outlets are installed in places that are good for minimizing their visual impact and making them convenient for where devices are plugged in. This is very often a completely different place than what it easy to access/touch on a regular basis. I get this is something that you are accustomed to, but it's hardly useful unless again, you are decided how to wire homes during WW2 to save as much copper as possible with the after effect of having to run a lot of fault current to every outlet/device.
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It's America. We have the convenience of switched outlets wherever we want them, and the protection of fused/(breakered) individual circuit runs. Checkmate, ring-mainers
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I wired my outlets to my balls
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PainterofCrap posted:It's America. We have the convenience of switched outlets wherever we want them, and the protection of fused/(breakered) individual circuit runs.  In  , it takes four minutes to boil a kettle for tea, but in  , it only takes two.Double-checkmate on you! Blue Moonlight fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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Jun 2, 2021 03:59
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It was a real eye-opener going to Japan and finding out how anemic blenders and kettles are at 100 volts
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Blue Moonlight posted:
In a Zojirushi-possessing house for a minimal energy expenditure you can dispense 208 degree water at any time for any reason, triple checkmate on everyone. (Or hit reboil and wait 30 seconds if you really need 212 degree water). I find these kettle debates loving stupid - if you are serious about tea, get a water boiler and have on demand hot water ready to make tea all the time. And for those who will instantly yell about how much electricity it wastes, I did an energy audit of all my devices a few years ago (i.e. plugged them into Kill-A-Watts for a week) and the water boiler, when not actively heating, was basically irrelevant in terms of costs. Don't get me wrong, it costs me a lot because it goes through a water heat cycle daily, but that's because I drink a LOT of tea. edit: it truly is astonishing that there are Stockholm-syndrome-level proponents of switched outlets. I've been to a decent amount of countries with switched outlets. At no point was it more convenient to walk over to the wall and use the switch on the outlet rather than turn off whatever device I was using. Face it, every country hosed up in one way or another when it came to electricity. The US uses the wrong voltage and has dumb unsafe plugs. The UK uses the wrong circuit/amperage architecture and has dumb switched outlets to compensate (and the UK plug, while safe in various ways that the US one isn't, is certainly not great in terms of size and "puncture your foot capability"). We all get to deal with stupid poo poo that will never go away because someone 80-100 years ago made a decision that who knows, may have been the best one at the time but is now widely regarded as terrible and idiotic. Electricity is not the only trade demonstrating that problem... SyNack Sassimov fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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SyNack Sassimov posted:edit: it truly is astonishing that there are Stockholm-syndrome-level proponents of switched outlets. I've been to a decent amount of countries with switched outlets. At no point was it more convenient to walk over to the wall and use the switch on the outlet rather than turn off whatever device I was using. Face it, every country hosed up in one way or another when it came to electricity. The US uses the wrong voltage and has dumb unsafe plugs. The UK uses the wrong circuit/amperage architecture and has dumb switched outlets to compensate (and the UK plug, while safe in various ways that the US one isn't, is certainly not great in terms of size and "puncture your foot capability"). We all get to deal with stupid poo poo that will never go away because someone 80-100 years ago made a decision that who knows, may have been the best one at the time but is now widely regarded as terrible and idiotic. Electricity is not the only trade demonstrating that problem... I'm gonna agree with most of this, but also make sure you know we didn't choose the "wrong voltage". Every house in the us has 220/240 via split phase. A considered safety decision was made to supply only the things that really need that fault current with 240. Things like stoves and electric dryers and other high load devices like air conditioners. All you need to have 240 in the US is to grab two opposite hots rather than a hot and a neutral. You don't even need to rewire from an outlet for this to happen because it's the same number of conductors. The fact that most devices run on 120v is an engineering/safety decision. Would I like a 240v kettle? Hell yes. But when your'e talking about things like these awesome looking Zojirushi things.......those can be hard wired or even plugged to 240. It matters so little to most people that it's just not a common thing here. But things like that absolutely exist for a very small market. Motronic fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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AmbassadorofSodomy posted:Thats not a 12 gauge. Oh yes, of course, how stupid of me, how could I, an Amerigun, living in Agunica, land of GUN, fail to realize that the pre-crafted meme I found in ten seconds of googling and provided as a supplement to my humorous statement was not in fact wholly accurate to the statement I had just made about an ironic misparsing that had just occurred? How flagrantly lazy of me not to go acquire a number of comically inappropriate fusing materials and construct my own meme. Surely that would have been a fulfilling and appropriate amount of effort to go through to make a handful of people chuckle softly. Dick.
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Dareon posted:Oh yes, of course, how stupid of me, how could I, an Amerigun, living in Agunica, land of GUN, fail to realize that the pre-crafted meme I found in ten seconds of googling and provided as a supplement to my humorous statement was not in fact wholly accurate to the statement I had just made about an ironic misparsing that had just occurred? How flagrantly lazy of me not to go acquire a number of comically inappropriate fusing materials and construct my own meme. Surely that would have been a fulfilling and appropriate amount of effort to go through to make a handful of people chuckle softly. epic
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I am FURIOUS about the existence of a switch I could just not use if it was even present in my house, which it is not.
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The only thing I'm really cross about in America wiring wise is that 3 phase is essentially non-existent in residential use. I wanna run CNC mills in my basement without spending a grand on a phase converter or slightly less on a VFD and the power company just laughed when I asked, even though there's 3 phase on the pole within a block and I said I'd pay for the install costs.
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