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Verviticus posted:i dont have a ton of memories of history/social studies but i definitely feel like i came out of high school with a reasonable understanding of how heinous residential schools really were. a friend of mine says she remembers explicitly learning that too (this is in vancouver) From Ontario, highschool ended in 2006 for me, I don't believe residential schools got a single mention. Had to learn about them through wikipedia, news articles and my peers.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:06
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There was nothing about residential schools in my high school curriculum, circa 2000-2004.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:08
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Vintersorg posted:Winnipeg is/was a blue collar city so stuff like this really resonates with people. If by "blue collar" you mean racist rednecks then yes, you are correct in your summary of why the CFL is so popular in places like Winnipeg and Saskatchewan. My experience has always been that CFL fans are the people who find the NHL far too diverse and "woke".
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Jun 1, 2021 21:10
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Verviticus posted:i dont have a ton of memories of history/social studies but i definitely feel like i came out of high school with a reasonable understanding of how heinous residential schools really were. a friend of mine says she remembers explicitly learning that too (this is in vancouver) yeah same here, I even remember we watched rabbit-proof fence in school because there were no movies about residential schools in Canada but they wanted us to see how bad they were. And my teacher said the policy was even worse in Canada than Australia. I graduated high school mid-00s. Can't remember if it was an elective course or not. I think the whole "we need better education" idea is kind of liberal bullshit, sorry to those in this thread who mentioned it, but it comes off the same as land acknowledgement to me. It's just thoughts and prayers and "awareness". I don't think any indigenous groups are asking for that. I'd be more interested in prosecuting anyone who is still alive that was involved in the schools, former indian agents etc. no matter how old they are. And the churches that got off scot-free - from what I understand the Catholic church basically completely dodged their 79$ million dollar reparations bill thanks to Harper. Starks fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 21:19
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Coxswain Balls posted:To the surprise of absolutely no-one Honestly people that aren’t willing to get the vaccine should be straight at the back of the line in terms of ICU priority. Somebody comes up that urgently needs care? Whoops, guess there’s a bed available now.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:20
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The CFL rules
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Jun 1, 2021 21:21
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Another Bill posted:There's some kind of organized effort to get schools to reopen but I can't figure out who or why. Only the dumbest dickbags I know want schools to reopen at this point. I feel like it's primarily being driven by middle-class parents working from home tearing their hair out, but that's just a sense I get.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:24
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https://twitter.com/janisirwin/status/1399810858188886017?s=21
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Jun 1, 2021 21:35
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Starks posted:I think the whole "we need better education" idea is kind of liberal bullshit, sorry to those in this thread who mentioned it, but it comes off the same as land acknowledgement to me. It's just thoughts and prayers and "awareness". I don't think any indigenous groups are asking for that. I'd be more interested in prosecuting anyone who is still alive that was involved in the schools, former indian agents etc. no matter how old they are. And the churches that got off scot-free - from what I understand the Catholic church basically completely dodged their 79$ million dollar reparations bill thanks to Harper. There is a difference between educating people to raise awareness and understanding and the mealy mouthed BS of recognizing traditional unceded territory in political speeches. The latter is pretty much SOP "look good for the camera" optics for public speakers while the former doesn't hurt anyone and introduces new concepts to people who don't know any better. We absolutely should be demanding better from our education system. The outcry over the current situation has brought in a lot of people who didn't know about it all or didn't know the full extent of the atrocities and the use of social media has been very strong at signal boosting the news. Now imagine if that same energy was put into educating people during their formative years to emphasize that this is important and shouldn't be glossed over because it upsets some poor racist's sensibilities. Education isn't the problem, it's the system of government behind education that staunchly refuses to treat these incidents as anything other than an embarrassing factoid to cover up at all costs and that mandate trickles down through every social system they have a hand in.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:41
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RBC posted:There was nothing about residential schools in my high school curriculum, circa 2000-2004. Starks posted:yeah same here, I even remember we watched rabbit-proof fence in school because there were no movies about residential schools in Canada but they wanted us to see how bad they were. And my teacher said the policy was even worse in Canada than Australia. I graduated high school mid-00s. Can't remember if it was an elective course or not.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:50
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:The CFL rules Correct. It is by far a better product than the NFL and actually pays its players (a pittance), making it also better than college ball. I hope it bounces back somehow with whatever their weird partnership ends up being, it would be a true shame to lose it.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:01
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redbrouw posted:We read a lot about them in the West and the World course, but my teacher in grade 11 was pretty loving woke for 2003. Mid 2000s Ontario HS graduate. Learned about residential schools because a teacher forced the topic into an elective geography course.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:05
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Same for me in the late 90s/early 2000s. I don't think it was part of any curriculum, but some teachers cared enough to work it in.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:17
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I grew up in northern Ontario surrounded by reservations, and with a large native population in my high school. Residential schools were never once brought up. Also Sassafras finally ate an actual ban and month probation, lol.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:45
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Jesus christ what the gently caress is Kenney doing!? He's literally doing a whataboutism on a question about Sir John A MacDonald by talking about all the poo poo Wilfred Laurier did. And now he's on a rant about cancel culture.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:14
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I distinctly remember being shown the movie "Where The Spirit Lives" in high school sometime in the late 90s. In retrospect it probably toned things down compared to the horrors that actually occurred, but it was my first time hearing about the schools so it was a start.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:16
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jesus christ what the gently caress is Kenney doing!? He's literally doing a whataboutism on a question about Sir John A MacDonald by talking about all the ahit Wilfred Laurier did. He's making sure the racist rednecks in his party/ constituency/ province think they can own liberals on this. Truth and justice are inconsequential
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Jun 1, 2021 23:16
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I've been reflecting on the kids who were bussed from reserves to my neighborhood for schooling. When I went to school residential schools were still open( I'm old). I always used to think it was wrong to culturally indoctrinate the native kids like that, but now I'm wondering if they were the lucky ones.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:21
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You know what this week really needs while we're talking about genocide? A discussion about cancel culture ruining the good name of an old white racist! Historiography, what's that you made that word up!
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Jun 1, 2021 23:36
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loving read a room bumbles jesus christ that was embarassing.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:54
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InfiniteZero posted:If by "blue collar" you mean racist rednecks then yes, you are correct in your summary of why the CFL is so popular in places like Winnipeg and Saskatchewan. My experience has always been that CFL fans are the people who find the NHL far too diverse and "woke". Everyone I know who goes regularly to CFL games is from working class families in Elmwood, Transcona etc. Everyone I know who goes regularly to NHL games is from upper middle class families in the suburbs. I know lots of people who like the CFL who have great politics, and lots of people who like the NHL who also have great politics, but the difference in in-person attendance seems to be income.
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Jun 2, 2021 01:21
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I went to lunch with my in-laws today and my boomer (but kind) father in law started asking questions about the residential schools and their history. So we talked about it and he did start to understand that these children were murdered - doesn’t matter if it was by disease or abuse or whatever. He asked why this hadn’t come up before (the bodies) and I said it’s cause the government never cared. People are listening and educating themselves. That’s never a bad thing. ChickenDoodle fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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Jun 2, 2021 01:38
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Duck Rodgers posted:Everyone I know who goes regularly to CFL games is from working class families in Elmwood, Transcona etc. Everyone I know who goes regularly to NHL games is from upper middle class families in the suburbs. I know lots of people who like the CFL who have great politics, and lots of people who like the NHL who also have great politics, but the difference in in-person attendance seems to be income. I'm pretty sure you can still catch a CFL game for like 30 bucks a ticket, and I couldn't tell you how much an NHL ticket costs because I've never seen a game.
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Jun 2, 2021 01:43
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Zutaten posted:I'm pretty sure you can still catch a CFL game for like 30 bucks a ticket, and I couldn't tell you how much an NHL ticket costs because I've never seen a game. Depends on if you want to be up in the nosebleeds or not and if you have access to transportation. Also depends on the stadium, team and league. I've gotten Sens tickets for as low as $50 but it's a bastard to find parking, CTC is on the rear end end of Kanata, and you're watching the Senators, where the away team has more fans in seats than you do.
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Jun 2, 2021 01:54
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Here is bumbles loving up the easiest softball. https://twitter.com/TheBreakdownAB/status/1399865810496090114?s=20
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Jun 2, 2021 03:42
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Duck Rodgers posted:Everyone I know who goes regularly to CFL games is from working class families in Elmwood, Transcona etc. Everyone I know who goes regularly to NHL games is from upper middle class families in the suburbs. I know lots of people who like the CFL who have great politics, and lots of people who like the NHL who also have great politics, but the difference in in-person attendance seems to be income. It's def a stereotype that at BC Lions games there's blue collar fans while at Canucks games it's all realtors doing business deals on their phones the whole time. I think it was a big missed opportunity when it came down to what to do about BC Place. The Province should have imploded the overbuilt thing (capacity 54,000 lmao), made a fortune selling the land to developers to make Yaletown 2.0, built social housing with the proceeds, and suggested to the BC Lions that they build a stadium out where most of their fans live, in Surrey, contributing to the creation of the Downtown there. Instead the BC Liberals spent half a billion on renovations. Great thx.
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Jun 2, 2021 04:04
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You know Doug McCallum would have built them whatever they want too so I’m kinda glad that timing didn’t work out.
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Jun 2, 2021 04:28
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TheKingofSprings posted:Honestly people that aren’t willing to get the vaccine should be straight at the back of the line in terms of ICU priority. https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/even-in...-real-1.5451335 quote:Dr. Ganesan Abbu, a family doctor at Boundary Trails Health Centre, said they’ve seen a surge in cases in the last two weeks. He said at any one time, the facility has 15 to 20 COVID-19 patients and up to three in the special care unit. quote:Abbu said that many of the COVID-19 patients coming into Boundary Trails hospital are not vaccinated. He noted that though some people were awaiting their vaccination appointments, the majority “refused to be vaccinated.” More and more people are needlessly dying from non-COVID ailments because of their dumbshit beliefs, and it's going to keep happening. The entire rest of the province would most certainly be much, much better off if COVID was allowed to decimate the population of the Pembina Valley from Steinbach to Morden, and it seems like the only thing keeping them from doing that to themselves is the fact that we live in a civil society that works to prevent that from happening no matter how much they seem to want it.
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Jun 2, 2021 04:38
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flakeloaf posted:I think I've found your problem Alctel posted:Yeah Canada is racist but newspaper comment sections are inhabited strictly by exceedingly racist old boomers I actually think this is an issue. It's too easy to downplay it as, "well it's those old racist guys and we'll just have to live with it until they die" kind of thing. It's an infection of the mind and it's being passed down to younger generations plenty enough. You can get a sense of the demographics by using facebook since it has accounts attached to the comments. Yes, certainly a good number of them are old white men and women ranting about 3rd-world imports. But there are also plenty of sub-40 year olds in there. Their flavor of racism is slightly different since a lot of them know better than to be too blatant about it, but it's there, and it's strong. I just don't want to become too optimistic about it being just a matter of time until we inhabit a mostly racism-free utopia or something.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:01
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Fidelitious posted:I actually think this is an issue. It's too easy to downplay it as, "well it's those old racist guys and we'll just have to live with it until they die" kind of thing. agree i’ve brought this up before but the local subreddit is mostly 18-40 and there’s a ton of racist poo poo
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Jun 2, 2021 14:09
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Part of this is selection bias. Racist old people took over comments sections to the point that nobody who isn't a racist old person at heart wants to take part in them.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:15
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I lay some pretty sick burns on the G&M comment boards. The racism there is off the charts, as well as the vaccine disinformation. I've definitely gotten in a few people's heads, people call me out by name on articles I haven't even read yet. I have a few tips for maximizing enjoyment of newspaper comment trolling: 1) Just comment and leave, don't read people's replies it will only drag you into an argument with an idiot. Say your piece and move on. 2) Always tag the top comment or two with a smart reply explaining why it is wrong / racist. That way your idea doesn't have to get upvoted to get noticed, and you're countering the most toxic bullshit. 3) Put 'from Toronto' in your user name. I cannot stress this one enough, it drives people loving crazy to be burned/condescended to by a progressive FROM TORONTO.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:16
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Another Bill posted:3) Put 'from Toronto' in your user name. I cannot stress this one enough, it drives people loving crazy to be burned/condescended to by a progressive FROM TORONTO. I love this. Pure essence of SomethingAwful.com
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Jun 2, 2021 14:29
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vyelkin posted:Part of this is selection bias. Racist old people took over comments sections to the point that nobody who isn't a racist old person at heart wants to take part in them. I also blame html filters in comments that block html scripts. There used to be a time when, if one went to post a vitriolic or racist comment on a globe and mail article, well - you weren't guaranteed you wouldn't be redirected to another, say, more 'colourful' website. I'd like to think that some racists kept their thoughts to themselves after witnessing hello.jpg in all its glory on a globe and mail site.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:31
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Another Bill from Toronto is wonderfully ambiguous. Is it a guy named Bill? More chicanery from Queen's Park? Who knows?
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Jun 2, 2021 14:32
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The CBC used to have a comments section where anonymous users without accounts could vote comments up and down. It was the best comments section on the internet, the top-rated comments tended to be thoughtful and helpful and all the racist garbage was downvoted into oblivion. Then they changed it to a system where only logged-in users could vote and there were no more downvotes, and the racist garbage floated to the top immediately. Now they just don't have comments on like half the website because they drove away all the good commenters and the only people left are the ones who call for genocide under every article.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:47
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Oh, was that disqus? The company changed that a few years back and it was bullshit. We nuked our comments sections entirely over the removal of the downvote function
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Jun 2, 2021 14:52
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:Oh, was that disqus? The company changed that a few years back and it was bullshit. We nuked our comments sections entirely over the removal of the downvote function No, this was like 10 years ago and as far as I can tell it was a bespoke system I never saw on any other site. The one they switched to might have been Disqus, I don't remember.
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Jun 2, 2021 14:58
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wonder what new and interesting things doug will say today at 1pm (1:15? 1:30? 2:00?)
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Jun 2, 2021 15:00
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It's going to be that schools aren't opening.
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Jun 2, 2021 15:04
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