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As someone who hasn't watched this yet, has it shown any signs of dipping in quality like most CW shows or did this first season hold up?
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May 28, 2021 06:54
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evilmiera posted:As someone who hasn't watched this yet, has it shown any signs of dipping in quality like most CW shows or did this first season hold up? The first season is holding up so far, but that's actually fairly typical for most CWverse series (I think LoT is the exception). It's when it gets to S2 and onwards where the cracks might start showing
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May 28, 2021 06:58
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No show is a good show until it's maintained quality for two plus seasons. Doesn't mean they can't be good, it enjoyable, or watchable, or whatever. But a show is more than a good season, particularly a heavily serialised one. You've got to prove yourself over a longer period of time.
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May 28, 2021 07:05
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Man, the emotions in this episode are incredibly raw.
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Jun 2, 2021 02:57
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Hmm, Superman weakened by breathing in kryptonite gas while a tech genius stands over him with a kryptonite spear ready to kill him over a vision of Superman going evil and destroying the world? And then Lois shows up at the last minute and talks him out of it? All seems familiar somehow... I kid, I kid
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Jun 2, 2021 04:02
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Elizabeth Tulloch's crying and talking almost seems like a direct response to compaints about the stock cry-talking we get elsewhere in the Arrowverse. This show is good.
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Jun 2, 2021 07:07
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I was one of the few who liked Tulloch on Grimm. I feel vindicated  She has a certain tough quality / charisma that works for me, like Caity Lotz on LOT.
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Jun 2, 2021 08:42
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Holy poo poo so that’s where I know her from.
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Jun 2, 2021 08:55
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that therapy scene was so heartrending, gently caress
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Jun 2, 2021 15:47
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Angry Lois is terrifying
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Jun 2, 2021 16:54
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Actually I still can't believe they let him go. Show of good faith, sure but the dude attacked a military facility. He would definitely be in gitmo. At least confiscate his fancy murder van and weapons.
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Jun 2, 2021 21:03
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Okay so this episode really hit me in the feels. Whole thing is still doing a great job of humanizing everyone, to varying degrees. Still love Jonathan, I'm glad they finally had the "being human in a family of super heroes" talk between him and Lois. His acting watching the tv death was really quite affecting.
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Jun 3, 2021 00:22
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Predictions: The Kryptonian consciousnesses in human bodies thing is gonna be a precursor to the Eradicator actually being the big bad that got unknowingly unleashed by Edge and may persist to the next season. That one will probably also show what happened to this Earth's Irons
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Jun 3, 2021 01:00
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Hell of a pitch for a B plot. Let's just gently caress the audience up.
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Jun 3, 2021 01:08
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I liked this episode for the most part, but although the therapy session scenes were great I wasn't a fan of the non-linear 'teaser' approach they used. Because of the way that trope is often used in television, I was fully expecting the blowup at Jon to be a red herring and for Lois to really damage her relationship with Jordan/Clark/her dad. It was only when she finally confirmed it was Jon that I was able to cast aside that anxiety.
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Jun 3, 2021 01:19
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Sloth Life posted:Okay so this episode really hit me in the feels. He looking at the pictures of Earth-whatever Natalie and calling her "sis" was sweet.
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Jun 3, 2021 02:32
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Sloth Life posted:Okay so this episode really hit me in the feels.
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Jun 3, 2021 05:21
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The whole "alien sentience" being a part of the X-kryptonite kind of came out of left field for me. Superman said it like it was some understood fact, but it doesn't really fit with what we saw of Tag's experience, and even the soldier in this episode didn't really give off a "kryptonian sleeper agent" vibe. I don't know, maybe I missed something earlier.Sloth Life posted:I was one of the few who liked Tulloch on Grimm. I feel vindicated Tulloch was excellent on Grimm, and that show really started a steep decline when they decided to completely destroy her character just so they could promote an extremely problematic romance storyline.
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Jun 3, 2021 05:33
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how cornball is this show
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Jun 3, 2021 06:36
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Peyote Panda posted:This episode helped solidify something that was really standing out to me in this series but I hadn't quite put my thumb on it: emotional maturity. The characters make understandable mistakes, and then they acknowledge it and talk to the people around them to work out. It just really hit me how loving seldom you see that in TV shows, where drama is generated by having the characters not communicate like grown-ups. This show has character conflicts without having said characters acting like idiots or irrational assholes, which is great but also makes me wince even more than usual at how many other shows miss that mark. Yes, it's great. ShakeZula posted:Tulloch was excellent on Grimm, and that show really started a steep decline when they decided to completely destroy her character just so they could promote an extremely problematic romance storyline. Coincidentally, that show also started out by having characters communicate properly. Hopefully this show does a better job of staying on course.
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Jun 3, 2021 08:22
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Google Butt posted:how cornball is this show Define cornball. It's very 'modern' in that it sincerely promotes communication, therapy, mental health, talking through your issues, and treating teenagers as mature and responsible enough to be included in big decisions. It's corny in that it's quite "family values" with the boy scout superhero and the black hat baddie, but everyone else has shades of grey which is really nice.
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Jun 3, 2021 08:41
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ShakeZula posted:The whole "alien sentience" being a part of the X-kryptonite kind of came out of left field for me. Superman said it like it was some understood fact, but it doesn't really fit with what we saw of Tag's experience, and even the soldier in this episode didn't really give off a "kryptonian sleeper agent" vibe. I don't know, maybe I missed something earlier. It was a few episodes back, but yeah there was some mid-fight dialogue a few episodes back between the guy who went missing (but then came back, burnt down the festival stuff) and Superman which implied he had someone else's personality or memories. For some reason I'd already started thinking it was a Kryptonian intelligence, but that may have been unfounded speculation on my part. I think that guy also had multiple sessions inside the machine which gives you powers, so I figure that and/or his powers being unstable contributed to it happening.
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Jun 3, 2021 08:52
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do we think the kryptonite is maybe a link to souls trapped in the phantom zone?
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Jun 3, 2021 09:00
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What I want to know is does edge realise, or does he think he’s just giving them powers and then they’ll all turn on him?
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Jun 3, 2021 12:30
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The Lord Bude posted:What I want to know is does edge realise, or does he think he’s just giving them powers and then they’ll all turn on him? I doubt he realises. Though I guess it's possible he knows but is being manipulated by one of the XKs (such as assistant woman whose name I forget) until their numbers are sufficient to conquer Earth or whatever.
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Jun 3, 2021 13:00
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Edge used the phrasing "resurrect an army". He knows that there's some kind of possession happening here.
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Jun 3, 2021 16:21
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I assume Edge is aware of what's going on, but he thinks "Oh, they'll definitely listen to me, I'm like their new king!"
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Jun 3, 2021 17:06
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Tag largely seemed to still be himself. And the leadership program seems to imply that there is some kind of way to make sure that the new Kryptonians are controllable. Or Leslie Larr is playing Edge. We don't know if the human Leslie became Kryptonian recently and kept her personality and loyalty to Edge, or if she's always been Kryptonian longer and has been manipulating Edge from the start.
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Jun 3, 2021 17:52
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What I want to know is why doesn’t Edge just use the device on himself!? Is he afraid of the side effects or what!?
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Jun 3, 2021 18:29
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Vietnamwees posted:What I want to know is why doesn’t Edge just use the device on himself!? Is he afraid of the side effects or what!? It seems like there must be two versions of the process. Option 1, replace the persons mind with a past Kryptonian, also comes with powers. Or Option 2, just grant powers to someone. He definitely wouldn't want to replace his own mind. So he would be testing option 2 on people until it is refined and without side effects before using it himself.
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Jun 3, 2021 22:14
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oh jay posted:Tag largely seemed to still be himself. And the leadership program seems to imply that there is some kind of way to make sure that the new Kryptonians are controllable. Tag got exposed to XK side-effects after an explosion caused by Jordan. The other Kryptonians end up going through the sort of tube machine, which is where they get their new personality. Given the show is pulling in a lot of post-Crisis Superman stuff, I do think Edge could end up being the Eradicator.
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Jun 3, 2021 23:01
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The only person who's manifested the alien consciousness went through multiple treatments in the tube (including one right before Superman fought him, IIRC) so I figure that's why it happened. Small dose of XK = powers of some sort, large/repeated doses = stronger powers plus consciousness being overwritten.
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Jun 4, 2021 07:07
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This show is fantastic and Bitsie Tulloch is amazing.
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Jun 4, 2021 07:49
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They are totally bringing the daughter that he potentially left hidden in Mean Superman Earth over to Boy Scout Clark world right? And Mean Superman shall follow ... I'm digging it. The expressions on Johnathan Kent's face when Lois eviscerated him out of anger was super super good. Guy has some talent.
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Jun 4, 2021 16:48
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Superman and Lois continues to be good. Liked the reveals of everything so far, especially the callback to room 7734/the "hell" dogtag from the pilot or 2nd episode. Could definitely see the alternate universe's Superman getting over-powered and brainwashed by a dozen X-Kryptonited folks. Jonathan and Jordan continue to out-act 99% of the other CW network shows actors. Sort of wondering if any of the plots or story elements from the 1980's Superboy tv series https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094559/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm will be dusted off for the twins.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:43
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quantumfoam posted:Jonathan and Jordan continue to out-act 99% of the other CW network shows actors. Sort of wondering if any of the plots or story elements from the 1980's Superboy tv series https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094559/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm will be dusted off for the twins. I was interested in Jonathan potentially getting powers, but this episode kinda changed my mind on that. In between the writing and Jon's acting and everything else, these guys are totally competent enough to pull off a "Jonathan Kent as a normal human being" story and actually make it really compelling. I kinda wanna see them explore that now.
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Jun 7, 2021 03:37
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XboxPants posted:I was interested in Jonathan potentially getting powers, but this episode kinda changed my mind on that. In between the writing and Jon's acting and everything else, these guys are totally competent enough to pull off a "Jonathan Kent as a normal human being" story and actually make it really compelling. I kinda wanna see them explore that now. I could see the writers getting bored with that after a couple of seasons but yeah I certainly hope they take their time and don't rush to give him powers.
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Jun 7, 2021 04:41
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So, uh, "Edge" is being metaphorical when he says Clark is his brother, right?
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Jun 9, 2021 03:00
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howe_sam posted:So, uh, "Edge" is being metaphorical when he says Clark is his brother, right? We'll have to wait and see. It may be the case that Edge is The Eradicator. If so, then that's two of the "Supermen" that was part of the Death of Superman thing and we could see Conner join the CWverse canon in some variation..
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Nice to see Clark doing some investigation stuff too. Jon lost his cast super fast. Maybe he has super healing  "You didn't really think I'd give people powers without having them myself." I guess that explains that. howe_sam posted:So, uh, "Edge" is being metaphorical when he says Clark is his brother, right? Tune in next week to find out!
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