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lol that China is definitely a better place to live as woman than India, and yet
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Grand Fromage posted:Like Chengdu's official population is 16 million, but the area of the actual city of Chengdu is more like ten. There are areas considered officially "Chengdu" that are hours away from the city and no reasonable person would consider Chengdu, but administratively they are. It's not like city proper vs metro area either, that's a whole other layer on top of it. Yeah, the way boundaries are drawn is fascinating. It can come down to dick-waving between adjacent authorities, plans for 20-year development that become obsolete in 5, etc. Very much case-by-case.
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Oh yes this job is in Wuhan <gestures to mountain on a map so beyond the realms of man a 9 headed bird makes its home upon it>
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Barudak posted:Oh yes this job is in Wuhan <gestures to mountain on a map so beyond the realms of man a 9 headed bird makes its home upon it>
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Barudak posted:Oh yes this job is in Wuhan <gestures to mountain on a map so beyond the realms of man a 9 headed bird makes its home upon it> Unfortunately the 9-headed bird has a certificate essential to keeping the business open, so it cannot be fired.
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Collateral Damage posted:But simply making it so GenX and younger can't afford to have kids has worked pretty well too. What if they made it more expensive to not have a kid? by levying some sort of tax or fine, like the American healthcare, where you have to pay if you dont have it. Call it some sort of Generation fee similar to the PG&E Power Charge Indifference Adjustment. And if it's still cheaper than having a kid, just raise the fine until it's the same or just a tiny bit more expensive to not have kids. Much like American cable internet being bundled with tv service that you never watch anyway. nong fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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so glad this gimmick is back
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nong posted:Much like American cable internet being bundled with tv service that you never watch anyway. Kids in China are also frequently never watched anyway.
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Atopian posted:Kids in China are also frequently never watched anyway.
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 I know far too little to even hazard a guess at whether birth rates would have bounced back without the one child policy but they dropped without it.
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Fojar38 posted:They're worried about the fact that they're facing down a demographic collapse while looking nervously at the Japanese economy since the early 90's (except in China's case they have less than half of Japan's per-capita GDP and over 10x the population) This pretty much nails it from my recollection - China is in a race to get "rich" before they hit the downslope of their demography. Right now their median age is something like 44 years old so in 20-25 years, the majority of their population will be approaching retirement age, meanwhile the replacement rate has collapsed so there won't be enough workers and taxes to subsidize the state and the already meager retirement of the olds.
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Ya gotta admit - China is a pretty WILD place!
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Dandywalken posted:Ya gotta admit - China is a pretty WILD place! Are you my alcoholic boomer co-worker?
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Weka posted:
Oh look, the generation above mine peaking at six with one boy and 5 daughters on that line.
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sticksy posted:This pretty much nails it from my recollection - China is in a race to get "rich" before they hit the downslope of their demography. I really wonder how the math works on this stuff. Purely spitballing but it seems like potentially demographics wise the real issue is in fully industrialized countries where 1) most of your populace is used to a high standard of living 2) living costs have been increasing considerably 3) the elderly are a hugely important voting block and you essentially need to cater to their every whim if you want to keep political power, etc. It seems like China has the ability to offset a lot of these to a high degree, i.e. you could probably have massive elderly dormitory style livings with extremely basic amenities (and accordingly cheap cost/pax) without people revolting in a way that would simple not fly in other countries. The ability to functionally make more large-scale government projects more easily, i.e. without slow legislative processes and obstructionism and endless fighting against any sort of govt expenditure save the military you see in the rest of the industrialized world and especially the US.
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LimburgLimbo posted:It seems like China has the ability to offset a lot of these to a high degree, i.e. you could probably have massive elderly dormitory style livings with extremely basic amenities (and accordingly cheap cost/pax) without people revolting in a way that would simple not fly in other countries. Even China would face serious stability issues if they tried to lock the elderly into a series of glorified oubliettes. You're also underestimating the scale of the problem. In 2018 China already had an elderly population numbering 249 million which is literally the entire population of two Japans and that was two years ago. They're going to hit an entire America of seniors sometime within the next 5 years and it's going to occur simultaneously with a shrinking population and shrinking working demographics. There is no way to avoid this. Only ways to mitigate them and all of them involve accepting decades of low to non-existent GDP growth, which is why it's so alarming that the CCP is simultaneously addicted to maintaining high headline growth figures, which they are likely doing because despite all the growth of the past two decades most of China is still very poor. The possibility of a demographic crisis, debt crisis, diplomatic crisis, and social crisis (brought on by an overabundance of single males and the growing realization that if you're still poor right now you're going to stay poor) all occurring at roughly the same time is very real and frankly it explains a lot of the Chinese government's erratic behavior: They're scared shitless due to widespread sentiment that a catastrophe is imminent and they have frankly no idea what to do. It's not dissimilar to the environment faces by the RoC prior to the civil war, a fact not lost on the CCP given that they got their jobs by riding a wave of rural discontent directed at the wealthy coastal urban centers of China except now they're the ones in the wealthy coastal urban centers. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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A Jupiter posted:
What's this guy's pitch? Just lazily judging by the attached image, is he arbitrarily suggesting that we just need "more people"? That somehow just pumping more living bodies in an already unstable system is going to just fix everything right up?
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5er posted:What's this guy's pitch? Just lazily judging by the attached image, is he arbitrarily suggesting that we just need "more people"? That somehow just pumping more living bodies in an already unstable system is going to just fix everything right up? He says that we can fit way more people in the lovely middle and by gum, he's right.
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McGavin posted:It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people. When I saw that I could hear the musical sting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_hrYz_2uAk&t=34s
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5er posted:What's this guy's pitch? Just lazily judging by the attached image, is he arbitrarily suggesting that we just need "more people"? That somehow just pumping more living bodies in an already unstable system is going to just fix everything right up? Matty G is a notorious, grade-A dummy. He’s great to laugh at, though.
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Weka posted:
I would guess that the conditions control the birth rate more than any government policy unless the government is able to be incredibly active doing it. Modern western countries are doing pretty well en acting a 0 child policy without even trying to.
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Flannelette posted:I would guess that the conditions control the birth rate more than any government policy unless the government is able to be incredibly active doing it. The question is basically whether there would've been a significant number of extra births before the increased prosperity naturally reduced the rate. Some argue the one child policy was 100% pointless, some argue there would've been like 500 million extra people, all over in between. There's no way to really know of course.
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What happened in other countries that underwent a sudden modernization? Without knowing my gut feeling is the birthrate dropped and all trended towards 2ish.
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Flannelette posted:What happened in other countries that underwent a sudden modernization? Without knowing my gut feeling is the birthrate dropped and all trended towards 2ish.
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Looking at the other countries like India it seems that around 1.8 is the magic number once your children aren't so likely to die and you don't need a small child labor force to help run your farm anymore and 6 was where it usually is before this. Like a human biological limit trait almost.
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If anyone has any at hand, I would actually be interested in reading actual research on what influences attitudes towards family size. Outside certain religious denominations it really does seem that when living conditions are somewhat secure and women have access to education, people gravitate towards only having one or two kids. It would be nice to see if the reason is some sociological causality of the form "modernity = Western-style nuclear family" or some biological trait, or a mix of the above
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barbecue at the folks posted:If anyone has any at hand, I would actually be interested in reading actual research on what influences attitudes towards family size. Outside certain religious denominations it really does seem that when living conditions are somewhat secure and women have access to education, people gravitate towards only having one or two kids. It would be nice to see if the reason is some sociological causality of the form "modernity = Western-style nuclear family" or some biological trait, or a mix of the above Control of your reproduction is huuge. my grandpa came from a family of 6 siblings because "dad couldnt show some restraint" Also in a rural environment you will spend huuge amounts of time and money making your food and stuff to support making your food. child can become free labor In a urban setting its all backwards. Also my Qtard co workers are saying china is pulling this because of all the people that didnt die from covid.
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We can't afford college for more than two kids, pregnancy is miserable, and I need to work for money and not just chase babies forever. And, people are marrying later, which means many women are having their first kid at 35+. Most of the families I know around here with more than 3 kids, have twins.
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Yeah that actually makes me wonder- does China have the same issues the USA does with private healthcare and college? Is it going down the same road?
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peanut posted:chase babies forever New band name
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sticksy posted:there won't be enough workers and taxes to subsidize the state and the already meager retirement of the olds.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Yeah that actually makes me wonder- does China have the same issues the USA does with private healthcare and college? Is it going down the same road? Yes and also the expensive wedding and buying an apartment for the newlyweds thing
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Yeah that actually makes me wonder- does China have the same issues the USA does with private healthcare and college? Is it going down the same road? What I'm told is that if you can't afford the doctor, they won't see you.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Yeah that actually makes me wonder- does China have the same issues the USA does with private healthcare and college? Is it going down the same road? Complicated. Healthcare involving simple/routine procedures that can be done by the lower, extremely plentiful type of doctor is extremely cheap and within the budget of even the poorest people. Healthcare involving surgeons or rare specialists is very expensive and is effectively out of reach of anyone below upper-middle-class unless it's their first such health issue (in which case they probably have some sort of health saving account sort of insurance that can cover it). In terms of college, unfortunately, the majority of colleges in China aren't very good. It's possible to get a good education from most of them, but you have to be self-motivated because passing the course is almost automatic, so most students just coast. Entrance exams are brutal, but after that... /shrug That said, college fees are typically low compared with the US, even adjusted for purchasing power. Overall though, yeah, China seems to be following a lot of the same lovely paths as the US has. It's depressing.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Yeah that actually makes me wonder- does China have the same issues the USA does with private healthcare and college? Is it going down the same road? Yep. Chinese healthcare is also completely privatized like the US and has the same problems of medical bankruptcy and most people not being able to afford treatment if they get seriously ill. There are fairly cheap public hospitals, but literally no one wants to go to those because you're going to be waiting absolutely forever for terrible care, in the best case scenario. There are also fun China-specific things like a lot of hospitals (most?) don't really have nursing staff the same way as a US one, so if you're in the hospital for a while, someone from your family has to be there to take care of you because nobody else is going to do it. Chinese universities have different problems. They do cost money, but most of them are really bad and what university you can attend depends on a lot of factors you can't control like where you're born. My ex from Henan couldn't go to any of her top choice universities because she's from Henan. No other reason. You could compare that to being stuck in a lovely school system due to your residency in the US and missing out on opportunities, I suppose. The "good" part of university in China (and Korea and Japan, not sure about other East Asia countries) is the difficulty is all front loaded. The exam to get into college is absurd and you spend your entire high school life prepping for it, but if you pass and are admitted, you are 100% guaranteed to graduate with your degree no matter what level of effort you put in. Which is why undergrad degrees from those countries are completely meaningless. My understanding is graduate school works more or less like the west, but a bachelor's from a Chinese university just means you passed the gaokao, it has no relation to what you did in college.
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In China it is now a perfectly normal and routine day with nothing particularly special about it
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Fojar38 posted:In China it is now a perfectly normal and routine day with nothing particularly special about it 
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