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Decoy Badger posted:Shizune because Lilly seems really boring so far. This. Also, thank you for tackling this game, it's not at all one I'd play myself but I am enjoying the write-up and your posts are really informative!
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Shellception posted:This. Also, thank you for tackling this game, it's not at all one I'd play myself but I am enjoying the write-up and your posts are really informative!  Update 10: The Other Green (Silence) I quietly back out of the room. As I shut the door in front of my face, I whisper to myself.  HISAO: "What an intriguing person..." From inside, I hear a muffled, sing-song voice:  RIN: "I heard tha~t!" Katawa Shoujo OST - Generic Happy Music   MISHA: "What did she hear?" I jump at the sudden appearance of Misha, who I had not heard approaching despite the completely empty hallway. Somehow she had gotten to jumping distance of me without making a sound. Creepy. It briefly reminds me of Kenji's nutty theory about a global feminist conspiracy, but I push that thought aside. Shizune, standing slightly behind Misha, looks aloof as she couldn't have heard the remark that drew Misha's attention, but Misha is visibly excited. MISHA: "No wait, more importantly, who is in there? There's no club meetings today." She tries to curiously peek past me, even though the door prevents her from seeing anyway. HISAO: "What are you doing here?" MISHA: "You took so long that we had to come check what's wrong. That's no good, Hicchan~" She wags her finger at me scoldingly. MISHA: "I found plywood, but everything else is still missing because you are tardy." HISAO: "Oh, sorry. Err... I got the things here, was just going to bring them." MISHA: "I think you were up to some mischief, Hicchan~! Who was in there with you, I wonder..." Misha signs something quickly to Shizune, pointing at her own ear a couple of times. Shizune immediately pushes her way past me and opens the door into the classroom I just left. I can only imagine the shock she is experiencing. With Shizune's diligence and attitude, the insolence of daring to deface school property by sleeping on top of it must be too much to bear. And indeed, she stares at Rin, frozen in place apart from the slight but noticeable trembling of her shoulders, from suppressed rage I'm sure. Instead of blowing up, Shizune just takes a few deep breaths, adjusts her glasses and slams the door shut, turning to sign furiously at Misha. Maybe she did blow up but I can't understand it. She shoots a very loaded stare at me too, as if it was somehow my fault that Rin is sleeping on one of the tables. I hope she's not getting any funny ideas about the reason of my tardiness. RIN: "Hello." Rin's voice comes from the other side of the door and it takes a few eyeblinks to realize she might have trouble opening it. I open the door to find Rin directly behind it, looking at us with a half-interested, half-sleepy face. RIN: "Hello."  SHIZUNE: "..."  MISHA: "Miss Tezuka, what do you think you were doing? You absolutely are not permitted to use school property for such... err, disgraceful? activity!"  RIN: "It sure is suddenly very crowded in here. I didn't know I was this popular." It's hard to say whether she's happy or unhappy about this turn of events. At any rate she ignores Shizune/Misha's scolding so they have no choice but to drop the issue. Shizune taps Misha's shoulder, points at Rin and makes some quick signs. SHIZUNE: "..." MISHA: "Popularity aside, please don't do that any more." SHIZUNE: "..." MISHA: "Anyway, how is your project going? Will it be done for the festival?" Rin looks at them blankly, apparently at ease under the pressure Shizune's cold stare is putting on her. RIN: "I keep wondering about that myself too." SHIZUNE: "..." MISHA: "And...?" RIN: "Will think about it harder." As Misha signs her reply to Shizune her face turns into an unsatisfied frown. SHIZUNE: "..." MISHA: "Miss Tezuka, please try to take this seriously. It'll be a disaster if the wall looks like someone threw up their lunch onto it." Rin nods assertively. RIN: "Will think more seriously." Misha actually giggles at that, but Shizune doesn't, not even after translation. She just shakes her head, takes the materials from me and takes off with Misha in tow. Rin frowns thoughtfully as she looks after the retreating student council duo. RIN: "How rude. It's true though, I must finish my project before the weekend. There will be dire consequences if I don't. The end of the world as we know it. Like weekends usually are, but more dire. Much more dire. Maybe I'll postpone my nap. To unforeseen future." I am about to ask what project she has and what are these apocalyptic consequences, but she walks back into the art classroom. (Silence)  RIN: "Since you have nothing to do, would you give me a hand? This paint can doesn't fit into my bag but I need it." She kicks lightly at a huge can of paint that's lying on the floor next to the table she was sitting and sleeping on. It lets out a dull clang. Being the gentleman I am, I naturally pick it up. Heavy. HISAO: "Yeah, sure. Where do you need to take it?" RIN: "Away." And with that, she takes off to the hallway, me and the paint can following since there's little choice for either of us. The hallway is quiet and empty now with Shizune and Misha gone, so we too leave towards the stairwell at the other end. Every ten or fifteen or twenty steps I have to change the can from one hand to another because the thin handle cuts into my palm. At least it keeps my arms from tiring too fast. Rin strolls on beside me with an uneven pace that I have trouble matching, or maybe I am walking weird because of the extra weight. It seems one of us is constantly walking too slow or too fast, and I can't figure out which. Two flights of stairs below, trouble appears in the form of the head nurse and his fox-like grin. Katawa Shoujo OST - Ah Eh I Oh You   NURSE: "Ah, Mr. Nakai, what a happy coincidence! Tezuka too, of course." He nods courteously to Rin who does not acknowledge him back, then turns to me because obviously it's me who he had some business with. NURSE: "There is something I forgot to mention on Monday." I nod and wait impassively because I can't even begin to guess what he forgot. The feeling of the handle delving deeper into my skin doesn't make me feel enthusiastic about this interruption, either. NURSE: "It's about your medications. Since you haven't been that long on your current medications there might be some unexpected side effects, which might require adjusting dosages or even changing to another kind of medication. So we will do a few tests regularly, but what I'd want is for you to keep an eye on everything in your condition that feels off, if you get what I mean. Nausea, headache, anything. And come see me if something happens." HISAO: "All right." NURSE: "So how are you? Everything fine?" I give up and drop the can to the floor before answering him. Apparently this takes longer than my biceps can handle. I'm about to say something generic as an answer, but then I realize how often I've done that lately. Other people have asked me that too. Teachers and students here. My parents, visitors, nurses, doctors at the hospital. Everyone seems to be concerned about that. It's natural for a hospital, not so much for a school. Except this school. This is a small school, and both the student base and the faculty seem to be very tightly knit. At least that's the feeling I'm getting. And this is not the kind of school that gets transfer students too often. The thought sends shivers up my spine, but I give a generic answer, anyway. NURSE: "That's great. Also, one other thing. My sources tell me that you've been at neither the school track nor even the pool, so I'd like to know if you have taken up exercising as I asked.” Of course I haven't, but his way of inquiring gives me the feeling that I should've been running my rear end off on the track since the very first day." HISAO: "You have people spying on me?" NURSE: "Not as such. I just happen to know a few people. But that's not the issue here, so don't try to slip out of it." HISAO: "Well, I was actually just doing some improvised weight lifting, as an exercise." I pick up and lift the can up and down a few times like some sad imitation of a bodybuilder, even though it's weighing down on my arms painfully. (Silence) The stupid grin disappears from his face for a second, then comes back like it was never gone.  NURSE: "Tezuka, would you give us a second?" The nurse grabs me by the shoulder without waiting for Rin's permission which he didn't need in the first place and drags me aside.  NURSE: "When I told you to exercise I wasn't joking. I understand that you are still on your first week and all, but please don't ignore the importance of this. The reason I'm coming down this hard on you is that habits are not easy to form. The more you slip and postpone, the harder it'll be. It's the same with everything, like dieting.”  NURSE: "Can you promise me to be more serious about this from now on?" >Yes. >Maybe.  This decision opens Emi’s route, and unless I’m mistaken (again), if you choose wrong, you lose out on it entirely. That might seem punishing, but seriously, are you really going to take the choice that directly shortens your lifespan? =>Yes. I’ve heard Emi’s route called the easiest one to get for that reason. HISAO: "Yeah, I promise. Definitely." He studies me for a moment and then shrugs, smiling again. Katawa Shoujo OST - Ah Eh I Oh You  NURSE: "Okay. That's more like it. If you go to the school track tomorrow morning, you'll meet my 'spy,' who probably has no qualms offering consultation to you if you want to jog a bit." HISAO: "Consultation?" NURSE: "See you around." (Silence) He leaves with a wave of his hand and no answer, and I walk to Rin who has been waiting, idly leaning against the hallway wall and staring at the pale lighting fixtures in the ceiling. Even when I approach, she doesn't move her eyes off them. RIN: "Are you getting medications for your heart thingy?" HISAO: "Were you listening?" It comes out more accusatory than I intended, accidentally lashing out on her. But even so, I don't really want to start talking about it. I just met her, I don't know her. It's not her business. The nurse seems to be happily ignorant about confidentiality too, talking about that kind of thing in public. But it's not Rin's fault, is it? I look up at her, suddenly feeling a bit guilty, but Rin is just staring past my shoulder quizzically, her head tilted like a bird's. Sigh.  I don't know why this is so hard for me. It feels like there is some inexplicable lock that prevents me from being more upfront about this. HISAO: "...yeah. They're for my heart." RIN: "Will they make you better?" HISAO: "...no, not really. They just make me a little less worse." Rin keeps looking at me for a while longer, and she neither says anything further, nor displays any kind of emotion I could discern. I'm thankful that she doesn't. I think I'm still not quite used to all this. At the hospital it was easy, but I still haven't sorted my feelings about having to live a 'normal' life with this disability. Katawa Shoujo OST - Air Guitar  We leave the main building, and Rin leads us onwards towards the dorm. We stop at the small patch of greenery in front of the dorm building. The dorm is built on a slightly elevated ground, with a wall and a few trees that everyone has to circle around every time they come or go. It's probably the only inconvenient design in the school. The entire wall, made of the same kind of bricks as the building itself, has been covered with some sort of a painting. Most of it is still mere sketches, quick lines drawn with black and white against the gray plastering that covers almost the entire length of the wall, but some places look a bit more finished. There are human faces and legs and hands, I can't quite say what the painting as a whole might portray. Stacks of what seem to be paint cans are arranged in piles on the ground, beside the wall.  RIN: "See, the left side is hardly off the ground yet. It's because I couldn't get in the mood yesterday so I gave up and went to meditate instead. Then it was suddenly morning. I have to work on it, but the guys from art class are helping with the negative spaces and base surfaces whenever, which is a problem. It's easier to paint big areas if there are a lot of people, with hands. The reach is better, and it's faster too." She goes on a tangent of a tangent, waving a little with her arm, or whatever of it there actually is, to demonstrate even though I got the point already. The white cotton of her sleeve flaps around, and it makes me think it could look sadder than it does. But it makes me feel out of place, like almost every tangible reminder of the student base's... special properties has in the past few days. This girl doesn't notice my dreary feelings of course, or the fact that she lost me a while ago already... and just keeps on blabbering. RIN: "...so that's why I'm trying to figure out if there is something I need to figure out and then figure that out before it's too late and all hope is lost." HISAO: "Why would the hope be lost?" RIN: "Because paint has to be painted and then it has to dry and then it has to be painted over with another kind of paint. It takes time." She finally stops, apparently thinking she made some kind of a statement that makes sense. I think it's best to start from the top. HISAO: "So, this is your project? You did... this?" RIN: "Yes. Yes." HISAO: "All of it?" RIN: "Yes." HISAO: "Nice. But..." I stumble with my words, suddenly feeling like I've walked straight into the mine field of political incorrectness. RIN: "It's ok, you can say it. I probably won't get mad." I blush really hard. I don't really know what would be the right thing to say, if any. It feels that I'm way more sensitive than Rin is, though. This is really awkward. RIN: "Don't you want to ask?" HISAO: "...How do you paint without hands?"  RIN: "See, I'm an easy person to talk to, right? With my feet." HISAO: "I almost guessed that already, but isn't that hard to do?"  RIN: "You're good at guessing. Anyway, I don't think it is. But maybe I'm used to it by now." I can't get my mind around the fact that she could be an artist, but seeing how adept she was using her feet to eat I figure painting might not be a problem either. Neither of us has anything more to add to the subject. RIN: "The afternoon light works pretty well. I was afraid it would look too flat but it's not like that after all. I think it's actually pretty interesting. I wanted to see what it looks like in dim light. Do you think it's flat?" HISAO: "Eeeh well, paintings tend to be flat." RIN: "Not like that flat. You know, flat. Like some people are, no substance, no meat where there should be some. I know a few girls who—" HISAO: "Okay I get it. But I couldn't really tell, I'm not that good with art. I can't name many artists or artistic terms. So I don't really have anything to say." Rin shrugs her shoulders at that, saying “suit yourself” without saying it and looks up at the sky as if trying to look for something up there. RIN: "I didn't think I'd get any actual work done but if you give me a hand with the paints I could do a little before it's too dark. I wanted to get a halogen lamp like the ones they have at the sports track but there aren't any." Rin sure is quick to recruit my help, as was Shizune. It really makes me feel that the festival is such a big project that every pair of hands is needed. HISAO: "Why not? I'm not really sure if I can be of any help, though." RIN: "It's just mixing some paints, you can do that. Probably. Do you have motor control problems, like you know, those people who have some? Cerebral palsy, maybe?" HISAO: "Not that I know of." RIN: "I get it. Heart thingy has nothing to do with that." She gives me a sly look for no reason. HISAO: "No, it doesn't." RIN: "Let's do it then." So she sits on an empty wooden box and very naturally picks up a wide brush between the toes of her bare right foot. I open a few of the cans and pour some of the contents into shallow bowls for mixing. The thick paints flow lazily from the can to the bowl, like syrup. I mix them, creating funny, hypnotic looking swirl patterns that melt quickly into each other to form a new monotone hue. Rin sets to work, every now and then asking me for a hand with something or the other. ... Finding different brushes is easy enough, but mixing the paints to be the exact tone this girl is apparently seeing in her head is a frustrating ordeal. She wants precision down to the last milliliter before she is satisfied, but her instructions are obscure at best. Katawa Shoujo OST - Everyday Fantasy  RIN: "Add half a splash of green." I crouch down to pick up the can of bright green. RIN: "The other green. This green." I carefully pour some of the other green paint into the mixing bowl. RIN: "No, that's almost a whole splash. More white. Is green a good color to add?" HISAO: "No idea. You're the artist here." A hint of smile appears in the corners of her mouth. RIN: "Do you lack an opinion?" HISAO: "No, it's just that I have no idea." RIN: "It's OK, because I just got an idea. Add more white." With this exclamation I pour a minuscule amount of white into the bowl and mix it. It looks slightly... whiter. RIN: "That's not good. It has to be like... like the color when you wake up and you know that you saw the meaning of life in your dream but can't remember it. Maybe it's yellow..." (Silence) ... Despite the impossibility of mixing a color like the change of seasons or any other nonsense that's being imposed on me, I find myself enjoying it more than I thought I would.  Seeing a painting being born on the plastered wall feels like magic. I spend the moments I have between mixing paints crouching down on the paving and just looking at her work. It feels slightly intrusive at first, like breaking some imaginary intimacy, but Rin doesn't seem to mind the least bit. Maybe it's just in my head. Her entire presence emits a completely different air as she patiently works the details, adding layers of paint on top of other layers of paint, steadily moving her foot across the wall to add new shapes. When I manage to produce a passable mixture of paint, the rare smile on her face is oddly rewarding. Apart from the few words when discussing paint mixes, neither of us says a word for the longest time. And even those short discussions soon evolve into a shorthand, both of us developing and using weird impromptu code words for various paints and hues. As if there was some need to conserve words and breath and sound. We stay there late into the evening until it becomes too dark to paint properly. Falconier111 fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Aug 19, 2021 |
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Disability Corner: Euphemisms Hey, you remember this meme?  If you don’t, don’t worry, you’re not missing much. Especially since it’s… Jesus loving Christ, this picture is old enough to vote  . Way back in the Bush years, we old’uns used this image to poke fun at his supporters, commonly stereotyped as racist, uneducated rednecks with a collective hard-on for violence. People associated a lot of -isms with this guy, anything we could come up with. Was anything we said about him true? Who knows? His mustache certainly isn’t telling. All we know is he thought morans should get a brain.Was he advocating the distribution of brains to those with IQ scores between 51 and 70? Probably not. He’d probably say that’s how smart his opponents were. I know we said it applied to him. Someone we thought had terrible opinions. Using a deprecated clinical term invented by a loving eugenicist. And one we thought was a fair description of him. As people who considered ourselves champions of tolerance and diversity.  The phrase ”euphemism treadmill” describes what happens when people try to introduce polite terms for perceived problems that won’t go away. Let’s say, as a purely theoretical exercise, that there’s a guy who thinks a one night stand with a disabled person is enough to spawn hundreds of ableist caricatures. He believes you can categorize disabled people by their rough mental age so reliably he gives those categories names: “idiot” for the “youngest”, already a term for those seen as stupid; “imbecile” for those in the middle, a word that previously referred to those with a physical or mental disability; and “moron” for the “oldest”, an ancient Greek word he mangles to fit his theory like a proper 19th century scientist. Let’s say he’s also one of the most respected mental health authorities in America and uses those words as part of the basis for modern psychiatric testing. That means they’ll be treated as distinct, specific clinical terms, right? Nope. The moment people hear those words used to describe people they look down on, they steal them and start using them as insults. It happens. Constantly. And nobody cares. That hypothetical guy dies, claiming he wasn’t actually advocating sterilizing people he didn’t respect to his grave, but his categories outlive him as ways people describe other people when they think they aren’t as smart as them. Which is kind of what you get if you take insults and try to use them as medical terms  So after a while, views on what our definitely-not-real example up there called “feeble-mindedness” start to shift in the scientific community. Now, they want to recast things in terms of human development and developmental ability, even though that’s literally the point of those relative age things. They decide to coin a more general phrase, one that’s a little more scientific than the sort of thing that ends up misspelled on a protest sign. But what to use? If “developmental” is the word of the day, and if development slowing down is what you want to focus on, why not use something that reflects that? Well, there is a way to describe something that slows something else down – like how “fire retardant” describes the material that slows burning down. Yeah, it’s the good ol’ r-word. It takes seconds for kids to turn it into an insult, and it doesn’t help that, since schools are just starting to implement special education programs, they now have plenty of ready-made targets. Its new meaning so thoroughly overtakes the original that people start lopping off the first two letters and attaching it as a suffix to the names of groups they don’t like. Belatedly realizing this might get in the way of doing their jobs, with the help of nascent disability activist groups run almost entirely by people without disabilities, they come up with a bunch of pleasant euphemisms: handicapable, diverse abilities, differently abled. Special. All of them supposedly emphasize their abilities, their value. And what do you get?  For those of you who can’t read it or don’t know the context, this comic compares the lions on various Scandinavian countries’ coats of arms. Finland’s is described as having a “special” lion, one which has a sword through its head, unfocused eyes, and is messily eating flowers. I’m pretty sure the artist isn’t praising it. It’s astonishingly difficult to find any word used to describe below-average intelligence that doesn’t have ableist roots. Even “dumb” describes someone who’s mute because they’re too stupid to talk. The euphemism treadmill kept running, and every time somebody came up with a neutral term, somebody else immediately made it negative because the term changed nothing about the subject. All of those words are now it’s detritus. I’d say it makes it impossible to talk about intelligence without people getting up in arms, but our conception of intelligence is bullshit anyway. But that’s another story. Let me know if you have any other topics you’d like me to cover. I can’t give you a timeline on when I’ll get it back to you, but I love taking requests. Falconier111 fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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Is Misha neurodivergent? I dont recall her disability
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Violet_Sky posted:Is Misha neurodivergent? I dont recall her disability  But seriously, they talk about this later.
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As the chant went at my elementary school, "special means r*******". The euphemism treadmill is one of those deeply frustrating things that seem to only exist to spite our desire for human progress. Although it's a good, tangible example of how excising bigotry from society will not be solved by simply coming up with nicer words to call people considered "undesirable".
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I vote for Lilly, btw.
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Kids will zero in on ANYTHING that can perceptibly 'other' someone else, especially if it means they avoid being othered themselves. The behavior will crop up, and it takes real diligence to stamp it out. Diligence that is very much lacking in the current school systems. That lack of care is displayed in the half-assed special education programs that largelyj ust serve to put targets on the respective kid's backs
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Keldulas posted:Kids will zero in on ANYTHING that can perceptibly 'other' someone else, especially if it means they avoid being othered themselves. The behavior will crop up, and it takes real diligence to stamp it out. Diligence that is very much lacking in the current school systems. Its not just about schools. I remember going on the Internet from around age 11 or so. Pretty much every group the internet didn't like was called a (f-slur)
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Explopyro posted:Well, um. I've been meaning to say something in the thread but didn't think it quite appropriate to interrupt ongoing conversations, so here goes I guess? Similar here. I don't get love stories; I find them in general boring and/or twee, unless they have enough comedy to keep it interesting. And VNs are generally worse, having inherently boring main characters and poorly supported stories. I think the point where this story hooked me was the abrupt right-hand turn; starting out pure cliche, then breaking things. (After a hospitalization, the beginning of Chapter 1 hit a lot different.) I don't view Katawa Shojo as a love story; I view it as a story of growth. of brokenness and healing. Dirk the Average posted:Small talk is, sadly, really important. Bonding with people and getting them to like you makes it much easier to get them to actually help you with things and give you direct answers. I think the phrase is "emotional bank account," where doing minor things like saying hello, remembering people's names, engaging in small talk that you might find boring, etc. fill the account, and asking people for help or asking them to forgive a foible of yours drains the account. It might sound manipulative, but it's just a way of describing people and their interactions. The more we interact with people in a positive way, the more we like them, and the more we are willing to do for them, and vice versa. It can help to take a class on the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People (it helped me quite a bit at work), if only because it'll help quantify some of the issues that you're expressing and give you the tools to express things to people in a way that doesn't offend them. Similar here. After several decades, I understood the point of small talk, but i still can't stand it. Maybe I'm building relationship currency, but I'm draining my own reserves. The only social gatherings I like are ones devoted to a specific activity, like gaming; anything else and I'm lost. Maybe that's why I disliked Shizune/Misha at first; I'm in a new school, just getting used to things, and they WON'T SHUT UP. Consequently, Lily's introduction is a breath of fresh air; I could sit there and drink tea all afternoon, and I don't even like tea. I recall the meetings with Emi and Rin had different dialogue if Hisao is with Lilly, but the scene is largely the same. About Rin: I've re-thought her character since I played the game last. Specifically, I wonder how much of her personality has developed in response to her disability, and the reaction of people to it She's been visibly disabled from birth, and probably dealt with the whole spectrum of reactions, from mockery to pity. Being used to that would explain her blunt nature; better to be up front. And I suspect it's a defensive mechanism. Better to be known as "that weird girl who asks you what seeing out your kneecaps would feel like" than "that poor crippled girl." But more on Rin later.
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Falconier111 posted:I’d say it makes it impossible to talk about intelligence without people getting up in arms, but our conception of intelligence is bullshit anyway. But that’s another story. Ooh! Ooh! I know something about this one! IQ tests are complete horseshit and are always (either intentionally or unintentionally) classist and racist (also usually sexist)! Like, the first-ever IQ test literally tested whether the subject knew what a "regatta" is. And, in fact, intelligence is entirely too complex to boil down to a single value, and anyone attempting to do so is almost assuredly trying to sell you something or perpetuate their own prejudices.
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Jun 2, 2021 23:18
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Falconier111 posted:
Rin is the cutest, it's true  How could anyone say no to this face? Also I'm voting for Lilly. Lilly's great.
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Jun 2, 2021 23:49
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Violet_Sky posted:Its not just about schools. I remember going on the Internet from around age 11 or so. Pretty much every group the internet didn't like was called a (f-slur) A furry? (I'm being a deliberate smartass, but the reports I've heard fairly consistently paint the furry community as remarkably open and welcoming. I honestly don't know why they get poo poo from so many people.)
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Quackles posted:A furry? They are a bit too welcoming in regards to pedos and zoophiles perhaps
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That was an interesting read, thank you  Quackles posted:(I'm being a deliberate smartass, but the reports I've heard fairly consistently paint the furry community as remarkably open and welcoming. I honestly don't know why they get poo poo from so many people.) ); that and the dominance of mocking aversion to anything deemed "cringy", a tendency that most online spaces have only recently begun to grow out of (including Something Awful, of course; some furries still have an understandably low opinion of these forums due to the treatment furries tended to receive around here in the early 2010s).Violet_Sky posted:They are a bit too welcoming in regards to pedos and zoophiles perhaps
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Falconier111 posted:Yeah, it’s the good ol’ r-word. It takes seconds for kids to turn it into an insult, Should've seen French class once we learnt the word for "late".
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Do NOT show elementary school kids cartoons about not bullying people because all they'll learn from that is that they can use those words to bully people. I got one day to be happy and excited about my new glasses before my class got shown that Arthur episode and they all immediately started calling me "four-eyes."
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Ibblebibble posted:Should've seen French class once we learnt the word for "late". Pop quiz! Q: what centuries-old music term describes a gradually slowing tempo? A:  Ritardando, sometimes abbreviated as, well. The euphemism treadmill killed a perfectly respectable Latin root and now innocent words that have nothing to do with the whole sordid business get caught in its wake. Carpator Diei posted:That was an interesting read, thank you Pleasure to be of service 
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Blaziken386 posted:Rin is the cutest, it's true I will reiterate it again: "Rin has some of the best faces." Falconier111 posted:The euphemism treadmill kept running, and every time somebody came up with a neutral term, somebody else immediately made it negative because the term changed nothing about the subject. All of those words are now it’s detritus. There are counter movements called Linguistic reappropriation where the subjected group may reclaim the negative term as an empowering term for themselves. Obviously, this raises some questions and concerns, and they have a wide range of efficacy. Nevertheless, the perpetual cycle of humanity's issues continues. Edit: I vote for Lilly Flair fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 07:17
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Quackles posted:A furry? Furries are/were basically the red-headed stepchild group who anyone can take a free swing at, there's not much else to it. It's the hating of anime for people that like anime except along with "stop liking what I don't like" it also includes various degrees of "degenerate" sexual deviancy coupled with copious amounts of terrible OC to laugh at (and feel superior to). You also don't even have to dehumanise them too much for effective hate, they do it themselves. You could hardly find better targets for internet edgelords. Trolling with furry poo poo was also popular for quite a while, so people got conditioned to hate it.
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Jun 3, 2021 12:10
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Keldulas posted:Kids will zero in on ANYTHING that can perceptibly 'other' someone else, especially if it means they avoid being othered themselves. Was definitely true for me, having a minor case of aspergers with someone deciding to joke around with "burgers from your rear end" or something along those lines. Been enjoying the LP so far, and I concur with the consensus of Rin having fantastic facial reactions!
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Jun 3, 2021 13:24
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To speak of the game, I really do like how they demonstrate people's adaptability to disabilities. Rin is the biggest example, because she actively has hobbies which require a lot of manual dexterity. She doesn't require someone to just follow her around and help her with the day-to-day, but they still show that it is indeed a pain-in-the-rear end problem she has, since she still has to ask for help with paint cans and such.
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To the point above: I like that adaptability as well..I also would point out that I’m glad the teachers are active about their role? Means less need for paraprofessionals, if they are on the ball. As someone in this field and who feels the wrinkle of ‘agency’ with my own ASD, I want to call attention to the Nurse there, with his polite redirection of Hisao’s joke and about exercising. In the field of social/developmental care, there is a honest, genuine concern about providing direction and proper assistance, without stepping on the shoes of people who need to make their own decisions in life. That he worded it with “the reason I’m pushing on this is because” is deeply appreciative to me, and marks the work of a professional in my eyes: He recognized a problem, attempted to engage Hisao with it individually and personally, and did not direct or take from Hisao, but gave him more context and an explanation for the intensity. Very good writing there. That being said, is there not a PE-class made specifically for these teenagers, with emphasis to strengthen health problems? Out-of-curricular exercise does make sense in Hisao’s case: If he even had a water bottle or books to lift everyday within his own room regularly, that would be quite good. But the efforts of the school should be accommodating different classes or smaller-size gym related activities for them. Psycho Lawnmower fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 20:00
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I imagine PE is a lot of "do your own" activities. However, actual class structure and content never get mentioned, because we're not here to study.
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Jun 3, 2021 23:35
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They also pretty explicitly have clubs, and it's almost certain that some of those clubs have adults in the area to assist students who need help or to supervise things (lifeguard for the pool/etc.).
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Jun 4, 2021 00:06
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Okay, Rin's getting better every update.  Violet_Sky posted:Its not just about schools. I remember going on the Internet from around age 11 or so. Pretty much every group the internet didn't like was called a (f-slur) Quackles posted:A furry?
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Jun 4, 2021 04:41
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Haifisch posted:Okay, Rin's getting better every update. My first introduction to autism outside of Very Special Episodes was that period of time where every socially awkward nerd claimed to be an aspie. Funny thing was, some of the traits actual Autistic people had seemed to fit me. I asked my mom about getting me tested and she said that I didn't need another label to live life. I thought I was just another "fake aspie" until I saw stories of cis women being misdiagnosed as not autistic when they were younger.
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Jun 4, 2021 05:40
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Yeah, the problem women can have with getting their diagnosis is real. I know one who was told that she couldn't be autistic because her brother came out negative on his autism test.
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Jun 4, 2021 05:55
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It took me until high school to get diagnosed, even though in retrospect 1)none of the other diagnoses they tried fit very well, 2)literally all my "weird" behavior is a textbook sign of autism. Although it's hard to say how much of that is from me being AFAB and how much is because this was during the time period when people were just starting to recognize that not all autism has to be "low functioning"(for lack of a better term). I'm rather grateful that my mom was relentless about getting the right diagnosis and not being one of the "I won't accept my child being labelled as not normal" types.
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Jun 4, 2021 06:26
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I only got diagnosed when I was 25, after I had burned out in university. In retrospect I had a lot of the telltale signs, they were just ignored by my parents, schools and therapists up till then. I'm still very bitter about it all.
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Violet_Sky posted:My first introduction to autism outside of Very Special Episodes was that period of time where every socially awkward nerd claimed to be an aspie. Funny thing was, some of the traits actual Autistic people had seemed to fit me. I asked my mom about getting me tested and she said that I didn't need another label to live life. I thought I was just another "fake aspie" until I saw stories of cis women being misdiagnosed as not autistic when they were younger. I find it sort of amusing that I had sort of the opposite experience of most people online, being told at a young age I had a condition apparently nobody outside of specialists had heard of in 1995, and then I start using the internet more frequently in early high school and I see so many people self-diagnosing with it. That's part of the reason that this thread is, I think, literally the first time I've ever talked about my own experiences, is because "nerd on the internet claiming to have Asperger's Syndrome" became heavily stigmatized, because of all the people using the claim to excuse their poor behavior/social skills, which then led to it becoming something of a meme. Even on SA, "sperg" was used as a derogatory shorthand for a certain type of nerd as recently as just a few years ago.
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Jun 4, 2021 06:40
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Apparently one of the reasons I didn't get diagnosed as autistic was that I looked my mom in the eyes when I spoke to her. I can look people in the eyes eventually but it takes years. However sometimes I look people in the eyes anyways because I was "shamed" into it by neurotypicals. TBH I find eye contact rather weird, but societal rules I guess. 
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Jun 4, 2021 15:18
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If you look at your interlocutor between their eyes, it'll make them feel about the same as direct eye contact.
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Jun 4, 2021 17:07
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I am so happy that the first time I heard about aspergers was when my therapist told my dad she thinks I might have it rather than hearing about it from the net. I had moved since then and was no longer in the same state so I never formally got diagnosed. But I won't lie and say the pdf on it I got emailed later wasn't very relatible. I actually kind of panicked about it back then but still better than hearing about it on 4chan or something
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From a few pages back, someone said that Actual Japan diverts disabled kids into separate schools sort of like the game school. Do they do that for things that don't actually require much/any accommodation? Like it seems like Emi doesn't actually need anything. She seems mobile enough for stairs/crowded hallways, doesn't need any communication help, and doesn't need constant crisis health monitoring.
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