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namesake posted:We're getting some calculations of how Delta is under our current conditions and it looks like the variants' R is 1.5: Reading the tweet thread that you quoted: the scientist dude is actually pretty optimistic: he specifically points out that the risk is diminishing with each new day of vaccinations; that the vaccines will win in the end and that hot weather and surge testing in the most affected areas will also help to slow the spread. With all elderly and vulnerable people now double-vaccinated I honestly don't see where thousands of new deaths could come from: it's very well established now that if you're not elderly or medically vulmerable, you're very, very unlikely to die from a Covid infection. Page snipe: the current 7-day average daily death rate from Covid is well below 11, currently standing at just 6 deaths a day, which I believe is the lowest since March 2020. Pistol_Pete fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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For what it's worth Israel has just over 60% of the population vaccinated and are basically back to normal (everything is open, no mask mandate or social distancing) with single digit new cases per day for a population of about 9m. Granted they still have self isolation for incoming travellers without proof of vaccination. (as always please exclude gaza and the west bank for all statistics involving israel) Miftan fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 21:55
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I'm still not sure 'It's fine if people get infected as long as the hospitals can cope with the number of people getting sick' is that reassuring an argument. There's a difference between saying something is fine and that it won't cause the mass national paralysis it might have
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Jun 3, 2021 22:10
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Yeah unless we get something happening with a variant with vaccine escape Covid is largely over as a Pandemic in the UK thanks to vaccinations. However we still have one more lump of 3-5000 deaths and an unknown amount of long term consequences in the under 30's to come because the government balanced the scales and traded 5k deaths for hitting the various reopening stages about three weeks too early. Boris's final bit of unnecessary death on the way out in exchange for a couple of measly weeks. Saros fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 22:13
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https://twitter.com/cansforcastro/status/1400525488381214727
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Jun 3, 2021 22:16
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Portugal is going 'amber' from 'green' and June 21st 'brakes off' for England in doubt.. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/03/concern-over-delta-covid-variant-tightens-borders-of-uk quote:UK tightens borders and travel rules as variants spark new alarm If anything is going to finally negatively affect Johnson, I think if June 21st doesn't happen, this might be it.
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Jun 3, 2021 22:19
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a pipe smoking dog posted:What the gently caress is going on with starmers hand? Is that the British pose?
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Jun 3, 2021 22:20
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Noxville posted:How is he so good at this https://twitter.com/wooster_bert_/status/1400541883928039426
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Jun 3, 2021 22:21
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Jun 3, 2021 22:22
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The interesting thing is how nothing too serious seems to have come of the whole Beta evades AZ discussion that dominated the start of the year. There's going to be an update to the vaccine but there doesn't seem to be anywhere using AZ that is then being overtaken by Beta cases.
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Jun 3, 2021 22:24
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sinky posted:wget is the command line tool for doing that, which works very well. Not sure about gui tools though. NoneMoreNegative posted:WinHTTrack Website Copier is free and will download a full site for you, but it will convert dynamic pages to flat html files so you can browse locally, if you need the original files that are on the web (for evidences sake that a bad job was made) you'll need access to download the originals via FTP. I couldn't get either of those to download the sites past the index.html. I did find this though: cyotek which was really easy to use, GUI, and downloaded everything (and listed all the missing bits giving 404 errors) - css files the lot. Some of it seems to be where the developer has reorganized the site but left 'trailing empty folders' in there which have been picked up, so a question of trying to locate the missing bits elsewhere and find the bad links. Anyway, thanks for your help both, put me on the track of what to look for!
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Jun 3, 2021 22:41
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Pistol_Pete posted:Reading the tweet thread that you quoted: the scientist dude is actually pretty optimistic: he specifically points out that the risk is diminishing with each new day of vaccinations; that the vaccines will win in the end and that hot weather and surge testing in the most affected areas will also help to slow the spread. With all elderly and vulnerable people now double-vaccinated I honestly don't see where thousands of new deaths could come from: it's very well established now that if you're not elderly or medically vulmerable, you're very, very unlikely to die from a Covid infection. Well because the vaccinations aren't 100% effective, so while you provide immunity by 90% from previous waves (at best) that 10%+ still gets really large if you just let everyone take their nans out to dinner inside a restaurant. namesake fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 22:43
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namesake posted:Well because the vaccinations aren't 100% effective, so while you reduce deaths by 90% from previous waves (at best) that 10%+ still gets really large if you just let everyone take their nans out to dinner inside a restaurant. They’re not 100% effective at preventing infection but IIRC they are close to it for preventing death or serious illness.
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Jun 3, 2021 22:46
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:If anything is going to finally negatively affect Johnson, I think if June 21st doesn't happen, this might be it. The man told everyone they could have a normal Christmas and yanked it away with less than a week's notice. Even that didn't dent the fucker.
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Jun 3, 2021 22:47
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stev posted:The man told everyone they could have a normal Christmas and yanked it away with less than a week's notice. Even that didn't dent the fucker. I think this might be a step too far now. It is 6 months on from Xmas. The non-political 'soft' tories on my facebook are going wild.
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Jun 3, 2021 22:49
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namesake posted:Well because the vaccinations aren't 100% effective, so while you provide immunity by 90% from previous waves (at best) that 10%+ still gets really large if you just let everyone take their nans out to dinner inside a restaurant. They're not 100% effective at stopping you catching covid but they are near enough 100% effective at stopping you getting seriously ill with it. E:fb
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Jun 3, 2021 22:51
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Over a year since I had Covid, it was barely a nuisance but I still get out of breath walking to the shop despite exercising ~10 hours a week, no idea what the vaccine does about that but I've got a babby on the way who might want to be a footballer or something in the future & I'm very likely to be doing in-person teaching next year & it is a worry 
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Jun 3, 2021 23:00
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Fair enough on the vaccine effectiveness, but the forecasts are still expecting thousands of deaths because the opening up is getting ahead of the vaccination program.
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Borrovan posted:Over a year since I had Covid, it was barely a nuisance but I still get out of breath walking to the shop despite exercising ~10 hours a week, no idea what the vaccine does about that Fwiw I'm 99% sure I'm in the exact same boat and the two doses of the vaccine haven't stopped it. namesake posted:Fair enough on the vaccine effectiveness, but the forecasts are still expecting thousands of deaths because the opening up is getting ahead of the vaccination program. Call me an ignorant hussy but who are these dying people? Everyone with a vaguely high mortality rate has been vaccinated now - obviously there'd be some deaths but I'd have thought no-where near as many as there were pre-vaccine.
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^^ yes, deaths won't reach what they did but the point is the small number that do happen will have been completely avoidablenamesake posted:Fair enough on the vaccine effectiveness, but the forecasts are still expecting thousands of deaths because the opening up is getting ahead of the vaccination program. Yeah, 100%, even if only a tiny fraction of people in their 20s and 30s die there are going to be enough cases that a few will, and yes this will be totally unnecessary, but  My mum has been weirdly un-boomer about this and genuinely thinks we should have prioritised vaccinating the young while asking the elderly to isolate a bit longer, because transmission is driven by younger people and they're missing far more important and formative chunks of their lives than their grandparents. I'm increasingly agreeing with her tbh.
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Jun 3, 2021 23:11
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If you have long term symptoms I don't think the vaccine would do anything about that because otherwise you would also be long term positive for the disease, the long term symptoms as far as I understand are just... well it caused actual damage to you which takes an indefinite amount of time to heal, or which might not. I guess that's the sort of thing that will be better understood in the years and decades to come unfortunately
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Jun 3, 2021 23:12
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stev posted:Call me an ignorant hussy but who are these dying people? Everyone with a vaguely high mortality rate has been vaccinated now - obviously there'd be some deaths but I'd have thought no-where near as many as there were pre-vaccine. Modeling by SPI-M doesn't use 100% protection from death so that's a lot of it. If more real world results are showing it does keep everyone alive then great, but their forecasts are saying: 'Any resurgence is due to some people (mostly children) being ineligible for vaccination; others choosing not to receive the vaccine; and others being vaccinated but not perfectly protected (including those who have only received one dose, rather than two). Even in these small waves, both hospitalisations and deaths are dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine. This is attributable to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high that there are relatively few unvaccinated individuals in the population.'
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Yeah, vaccines only work against future potential infections, they won't do poo poo for long covid symptoms you already have. It's a proper pet peeve of mine when in movies and stuff someone is dying of an illness and there's a desperate search for a 'vaccine' to save them
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Borrovan posted:Over a year since I had Covid, it was barely a nuisance but I still get out of breath walking to the shop despite exercising ~10 hours a week, no idea what the vaccine does about that but I've got a babby on the way who might want to be a footballer or something in the future & I'm very likely to be doing in-person teaching next year & it is a worry If it makes you feel any better your babby is almost definitely not going to be a footballer.
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Jun 3, 2021 23:18
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North West goons: Manchester Foundation Trust (set to absorb all healthcare in the Greater Area) would like to consult trans patients and the wider trans community on how to make our computer system Less poo poo. Current proposals include recording people's preferred pronouns, name, and gender. There are two sessions via teams, aparently:  If you could spread this as appropriate, I would be grateful. Thanks!
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Miftan posted:If it makes you feel any better your babby is almost definitely not going to be a footballer.  It does make me feel better though, thanks. I can barely kick a ball, nobody wants to be beaten by their child before they turn 10.
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Jun 3, 2021 23:21
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Guavanaut posted:That was more that Ireland asked for Home Rule and then Britain wiped their arse with the idea for so long that people got tired of having someone else decide. Aye, if in the years leading up to WW1 Westminster had said "Home Rule for Ireland? Okay, let's work that out." and made a semi-good-faith effort to do it, it's very possible that a united Dominion of Ireland could have been a thing, and that any eventual patriation might have led to a rather less violent set of events. Of course, the nature of an Empire is not to go "Yeah fair enough like, seems reasonable to let you mostly govern yourselves"
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Jun 3, 2021 23:30
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Borrovan posted:Her uncle was a professional & is a great teacher, & her granddad wasn't far off I mean just statistically. It'd very impressive if your kid beat you before you turned 10 though. Didn't realise you could teach law when you're that young either.
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Jun 3, 2021 23:35
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https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1400559711360098308?s=19 Desperate throw of the dice to try to prevent Beckett winning and taking a load of money away from Labour?
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Jun 3, 2021 23:51
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Ms Adequate posted:Of course, the nature of an Empire is not to go "Yeah fair enough like, seems reasonable to let you mostly govern yourselves" Took two world wars
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1400559711360098308?s=19 Is he actually on track to win? I thought he was a pretty long shot. Also this isn't UK related unless the unreal tournament bus actually goes ahead, but I know there's people ITT that enjoy stupid tech poo poo. https://twitter.com/FSD_in_6m/status/1400207129479352323 Desperately tempted to get a truck full of traffic lights and drive in front of self driving cars.
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sebzilla posted:Desperate throw of the dice to try to prevent Beckett winning and taking a load of money away from Labour? It could be; "piss off our largest donor at a time when our finances are atrocious" is a move so  the only surprise is that Starmer isn't running with the idea himself.
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ThomasPaine posted:Yeah, vaccines only work against future potential infections, they won't do poo poo for long covid symptoms you already have. It's a proper pet peeve of mine when in movies and stuff someone is dying of an illness and there's a desperate search for a 'vaccine' to save them There's actually reports that Vaccination may help long covid symptoms. Further studies needed etc. https://twitter.com/WiredUK/status/1375054980667871237?s=19 blunt fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jun 4, 2021 |
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Jun 4, 2021 00:27
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blunt posted:There's actually reports that Vaccination may help long covid symptoms. Further studies needed etc. My dad had two verrucas spontaneously clear up after getting a jab, and a friend of his who is an immunology lecturer now wants to use him as a case study for the theory that vaccines can "wake up" your innate immune system to start fighting infections it has learned to ignore.
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Guavanaut posted:It's true, but the nature of an Empire in the 60s was mostly to go "Yeah fair enough like, seems reasonable to let you mostly govern yourselves, but leave the hard judicial decisions to us until you have a flag and a national unity moment." True enough! Guess when it's starting to look like a fair accompli it's easier to change your thinking to "How do we get out of this with the least egg on our face and most beneficial* ties with our former colonies?" * May not include benefits to the former colonies. Reveilled posted:My dad had two verrucas spontaneously clear up after getting a jab, and a friend of his who is an immunology lecturer now wants to use him as a case study for the theory that vaccines can "wake up" your innate immune system to start fighting infections it has learned to ignore. I would dearly like it to randomly clear up my verrucas because my feet are not pleasant for the fetishists atm
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Ms Adequate posted:I would dearly like it to randomly clear up my verrucas because my feet are not pleasant for the fetishists atm I had one foot thoroughly infested but I managed to get the GP surgery to have a blast with a mega amount of freezing agent, sorted them out nicely, they're a lot better than the lovely DIY stuff that costs a fortune. Dunno if you've tried or if they will do the same for you.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Portugal is going 'amber' from 'green' and June 21st 'brakes off' for England in doubt.. poo poo, guy I work with has come over for a funeral from Portugal today, guess he may not be online tomorrow.
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https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/1400460586266202121?s=19 Oh hey the conservatives broke the law again.
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I find the liquid salicylic acid that comes in a glass vial with a brush works better than the gel stuff. Mainly because it just melts a hole in your foot.
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Lunar Suite posted:North West goons: Manchester Foundation Trust (set to absorb all healthcare in the Greater Area) would like to consult trans patients and the wider trans community on how to make our computer system Less poo poo. So once thing I can tell you straight away is lose the 'preferred' it's not a preference it's my name and they are my pronouns
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