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Yossarian-22 posted:https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2021/lineups/ amazing how the whole team was cowards-- and they failed horribly on the year
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Yossarian-22 posted:https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2021/lineups/ yes obviously. but again you add Klay to that improved defense and it’s even better. offense looks better too since Klay doesn’t only chase 3s the way Steph does
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Jun 6, 2021 20:24
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Lineups with Curry=115.2 vs. 111.2 per hundred possessions this year, or +4. About the quality of the Nuggets this year. Lineups without Curry=104.9/109.6 or -4.7, about the Sacramento Kings or the Detroit Pistons. Green was the only other clear positive on the Warriors this year by those metrics. Wiggins was a wash. Oubre was trash
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Jun 6, 2021 20:29
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indigi posted:24 fewer wins without Green and Wiggins playing better defense 🤔 yes. indigi posted:yes obviously. but again you add Klay to that improved defense and it’s even better. offense looks better too since Klay doesn’t only chase 3s the way Steph does we're talking this year
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Jun 6, 2021 20:30
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yes if Klay was healthy and Steph wasn’t they’d still be playing
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indigi posted:yes if Klay was healthy and Steph wasn’t they’d still be playing There's years upon years of data showing Klay's shooting % without Curry in the lineup dropping like a rock whereas Curry's percentages consistently remain the same regardless of how the lineup is composed, because teams double team Curry or cover him way beyond the normal range since his threes are so ridiculously deep. Even in his less effective games the other players' shooting all improves with Curry in the lineup Plus klay cannot pass. He was a turnover machine and mostly good for spotup shots not dribble drives or pullups
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Jun 6, 2021 20:38
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indigi posted:yes if Klay was healthy and Steph wasn’t they’d still be playing no, but furthermore, we're talking about steph being amazing this year
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Jun 6, 2021 20:41
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Yossarian-22 posted:Lineups with Curry=115.2 vs. 111.2 per hundred possessions this year, or +4. About the quality of the Nuggets this year. please refer to page 1 for all the reasons you're incorrect
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Jun 6, 2021 20:49
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Yossarian-22 posted:There's years upon years of data showing Klay's shooting % without Curry in the lineup dropping like a rock whereas Curry's percentages consistently remain the same regardless of how the lineup is composed, because teams double team Curry or cover him way beyond the normal range since his threes are so ridiculously deep. Even in his less effective games the other players' shooting all improves with Curry in the lineup yeah, if you watch the warriors play you see curry getting double teamed on every play, the problem is the player left open by the double team usually can't score a basket to save their life put thompson back in the team with curry so that somebody else can shoot when curry's defended too tightly and that team would be in the playoffs easily, but just replacing curry with thompson you'd have the exact same problem of all the offence going through one player and everyone else playing like garbage on offence
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Jun 6, 2021 20:52
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Yossarian-22 posted:https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2021/lineups/
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I’m trying to think of an analogy that cspam regulars would understand and I think this thread is if like a local DSA had one obnoxious trot who would never shut up and made all the meetings awful because the whole thing just became arguing against his obnoxious bullshit, so he finally moved to a new town and started a new group to “teach people about socialism” but it’s actually just his very specific brand and everything he said was mostly just rehashing arguments with the DSA people that they were no longer there to argue against what I’m saying is that Jokic and Curry were easily the two best offensive players in the NBA this year and it wasn’t particularly close
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Jun 6, 2021 21:34
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Yossarian-22 posted:lol you're trolling or a complete dumb dumb. oubre was worthless typical for warriors fans to have no idea who is good or not
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if any of you poor souls want to understand basketball at a deep level, I recommend this excellent YouTube channel. has both breakdowns of contemporary players and an amazing series analyzing the greatest peaks, so if someone says “don’t you think Kobe was the greatest ever” you can have some info to tell them they’re a loving idiot this is the most recent one: https://youtu.be/iuO1iGP5L7I
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indigi posted:yes obviously. but again you add Klay to that improved defense and it’s even better. offense looks better too since Klay doesn’t only chase 3s the way Steph does lol Steph drove the ball into the basket hard all year long wtf are you talking about
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Jun 6, 2021 21:42
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euphronius posted:typical for warriors fans to have no idea who is good or not every nba analyst i have spoken to says the same thing: euphronius must improve his posting
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Pohl posted:lol Steph drove the ball into the basket hard all year long wtf are you talking about he Does Not Know Basketball
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Jun 6, 2021 21:44
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this is a thread that should be free of ideological censorship from fantasy sports fans. go make a fantasy sports thread and talk about how good Curry is there . this is about real basketball and yes jokic started playing defense and magically his team did better amazing
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euphronius posted:this is a thread that should be free of ideological censorship from fantasy sports fans. go make a fantasy sports thread and talk about how good Curry is there . this is about real how does everyone else in 2021 manage to sound coherent posting from their phone and you come across like the TimeCube guy posting via SMS from a rotary phone?
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Jun 6, 2021 21:48
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I read that post again it’s fine. maybe read better idk
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euphronius posted:this is a thread that should be free of ideological censorship from fantasy sports fans. go make a fantasy sports thread and talk about how good Curry is there . this is about real ok dad
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euphronius posted:I read that post again it’s fine. maybe read better idk damaged but written directly on your brain rather than the forehead
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euphronius posted:this is a thread that should be free of ideological censorship from fantasy sports fans. go make a fantasy sports thread and talk about how good Curry is there . this is about real i don't play fantasy sports and generally fantasy poo poo overvalues pure nominal stats like points/rebounds/etc. and undervalues on/off court stats, which actually tell you way more about player value
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dads think Curry is the mvp I’m thinking about basketball in a new way. the old heads are the ones who care about scoring titles and leading a team to the lottery with style I’m concerned with actual truth
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if anyone asks me about Kobe irl I'm calling him a rapist
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euphronius posted:dads think Curry is the mvp lmao
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Comey Homie posted:if anyone asks me about Kobe irl I'm calling him a rapist that's right he used to get boo'd every time he touched the ball in denver during his trial in colorado so it was real gross seeing him getting fondly remembered by current nuggets players
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if you watched the past season of basketball and thought Steph Curry was the mvp you have a deep confusion about the world . I’m not saying you are like a qanon cultist tho . that’s too far
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euphronius posted:if you watched the past season of basketball and thought Steph Curry was the mvp you have a deep confusion about the world . I’m not saying you are like a qanon cultist tho . that’s too far i thought jokic was mvp and curry was a worthy #2, and then gobert probably distant 3rd
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Yossarian-22 posted:i thought jokic was mvp and curry was a worthy #2, and then gobert probably distant 3rd I’m going to try and help you. I think you’d be happier overall if you addressed this it’s ok if you don’t want help tho. you can’t lead a horse to water and all that
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Jokic In your list is fine btw he had a rocky start to the year but finished strong
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euphronius posted:Jokic In your list is fine btw [arrested development narrator voice] in fact, Jokic averaged a triple double to start the year
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This tweet is a case study in the Curry disease https://twitter.com/espnstatsinfo/status/1401646010326302722?s=21 I think you all can figure out what is wrong with it
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kingcobweb posted:[arrested development narrator voice] in fact, Jokic averaged a triple double to start the year so did Westbrook who cares
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euphronius posted:Jokic In your list is fine btw jokic was great all year but the nuggets gave him no help until jamal murray stepped up and then they got aaron gordon believe it or not a player's quality isn't solely based on whether his team wins or loses, hence lillard lighting it up in game 5 but losing because everyone else was 1-19 robert horry has 5 rings and is not a top ten player all time. cp3 has none and is up there for all time
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hey euph remember when you were hopeful that jamal's injury meant that Embiid had a better chance of being MVP because the Nuggets would move down the standings lmao
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it’s a star driven league. a star players value at the top is 100% whether then win or lose . we aren’t talking about role players or whatever . this is about the MVP!! Steph is obviously a good role player
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kingcobweb posted:hey euph remember when you were hopeful that jamal's injury meant that Embiid had a better chance of being MVP because the Nuggets would move down the standings lmao no you made that up . I never said anything like that (possible a drunk post but I doubt it)
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kingcobweb posted:hey euph remember when you were hopeful that jamal's injury meant that Embiid had a better chance of being MVP because the Nuggets would move down the standings lmao embiid had 39 points today and the sixers still lost lol
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