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Xealot posted:The "last samurai" is absolutely Katsumoto, or his army as a collective group. The actual figure Katsumoto is based on, Saigō Takamori, is often referred to as such, and the Satsuma Rebellion is understood as the end of the samurai as a class. This movie is just a pseudo-historical retelling of that story. gently caress man, that ending of the last of the Mohicans is so loving good
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Mandrel posted:gently caress man, that ending of the last of the Mohicans is so loving good Besides the ending doing that, I really really really loved the scene before where that starts to happen where they enter the indigenous town (I was about to say village but I appreciated how realistically actually built up it was) and their leader and Magua argue a bit about his motivations and stuff. It really was cool how the movie starts out as if it's going to be a typical white savior sort of story and like, Hawkeye is of course very competent but I really liked how the third act of the movie in general Hawkeye and Uncas are Chinachgook's two sons instead of him and Uncas just being side characters. I also liked colonial man sacrificing himself too because like, you want to be a white "savior"? Jesus was executed my dude. It was cool that he accepted that compared to how that character is at the movie's start. Just as rad af movie in general imo.
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Michael Mann is my favorite director of all time. Other than Blackhat everything he’s made is 10/10 for me. I keep meaning to try and find that Blackhat recut from a few years ago, I heard it’s more coherent
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Mandrel posted:Michael Mann is my favorite director of all time. Other than Blackhat everything he’s made is 10/10 for me. Speaking of that, a specific thing I read about his cut of it is that sort of like Last of the Mohicans it also does a thing where like, the white main character is still the main character technically but everyone else around him gets a lot more focus in the third act. Something like that might make the build up to the final confrontation in it play a little better than it does. Even just knowing that the nuclear meltdown that opens up the movie was originally meant to happen like halfway through the movie makes most of the movie make a lot more sense. I still have to see Public Enemies.
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Mandrel posted:Michael Mann is my favorite director of all time. Other than Blackhat everything he’s made is 10/10 for me. The Keep?
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Sir Nose posted:The Keep? Given the troubled production thanks to studio execs I wouldn't count it against him.
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Neo Rasa posted:Speaking of that, a specific thing I read about his cut of it is that sort of like Last of the Mohicans it also does a thing where like, the white main character is still the main character technically but everyone else around him gets a lot more focus in the third act. Something like that might make the build up to the final confrontation in it play a little better than it does. Public Enemies rules. i feel like some of the mixed reaction it got was from people’s assumption it would be more of the usual Mann protagonist/antagonist, criminal/cop frenemy dynamic with Depp and Bale playing off each other, when instead it’s much more quiet, slow burn, rigorously biographical and interested in examining Dillinger. More an Ali type movie than a Heat or Collateral. And I don’t count The Keep yeah, not fair to put that on him
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2house2fly posted:Reminds me of Tenet, which has this very cool palindrome-story structure where they try to have a bunch of scenes that make sense going forward and in reverse, but the actual plot is just James Bond "a bad man wants to blow up a bad bomb" bullshit This nails why I've been so ambivalent to sit down and watch the whole thing. The plot just sounds like someone was working on a fairly rote spy thriller, read "Scherzo with Tyrannosaur" one day, and then used that as inspiration to jam in all the overwrought time travel stuff to spice up the main plot.
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Tenet is worth watching, and then never thinking about again. It's a neat exercise in filmmaking, but it absolutely sucks as a movie. It's impressive on a technical level, but there's a reason there's no études on the radio.
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Watch Tenet then watch YouTube explain it all cause it’s loving zany.
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finally got around to watching Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance today. I was super lukewarm on the first one back in the day and had always heard the sequel was worse so I had never watched it. I wish anybody had told me it was by the Crank dudes, I would’ve checked it out much sooner. Movie loving rocks. Nick Cage going full Nick Cage screaming and laughing like a lunatic, Idris Elba playing a drunk French priest who uses machine guns and does Matrix dodges, Ghost Rider turning a 20 story dragline into a flaming monstrosity and going nuts on people, Christopher Lambert covered in face tattoos, every single actor just chewing the scenery, manic camerawork. It’s great. Now I’m rewatching the first one and it’s hilarious how different it is tonally. Nick Cage still trying to be a normal sane actor, putting on an accent and poo poo and being serious, the movie trying to get us to find any of the demon stuff serious and spooky instead of insanely stupid and ridiculous. It’s like it’s trying to strike the tone of like Blade, but it can’t get around that ultimately you’re dealing with a main character who’s a stunt bike rider named Johnny Blaze that transforms into a chattering fire skeleton biker and fights the devil. The second one hits a tone that feels exactly right to me for the cast and concept. Manic, high energy, kind of silly but gives the rider enough sort of weird twitchy tics and inhumanity that ironically it does come across a little unsettling despite the tone being lighter. Man, like Blade this is another franchise that I’m just dreading Marvel doing a bland MCU rendition of. It’s a concept that requires a type of creative insanity they just aren’t capable of, it’s going to be so loving boring.
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Mandrel posted:Man, like Blade this is another franchise that I’m just dreading Marvel doing a bland MCU rendition of. It’s a concept that requires a type of creative insanity they just aren’t capable of, it’s going to be so loving boring. Depending on how you judge Agents of SHIELD’s place in the MCU, there already has been a depiction of Ghost Rider in it, in a performance I think most people were pretty positive on, coming in what I think most people agree is the best season of the show (Season 4). It’s the Robbie Reyes version of the character, though. I think Johnny Blaze might technically appear but just as a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it foot, but maybe I’m misremembering how that all played out. I believe the actor/character was supposed to carry over to the Hulu slate of shows MODOK was part of, before the Disney+ shows got announced and all the Hulu shows besides MODOK got cancelled. Klungar fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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I think Ghost Rider was supposed to be part of a different supernatural set of shows with Helstrom. The MODOK thing was wackier stuff like Howard the Duck and Squirrel Girl. And yeah, Blaze is in Robbie's origin scene as an easter egg. edit: MODOK was originally part of "The Offenders" with Hit-Monkey, Tigra and Dazzler, and Howard the Duck. Helstrom and Reyes were part of "Adventure into Fear". STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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STAC Goat posted:I think Ghost Rider was supposed to be part of a different supernatural set of shows with Helstrom. The MODOK thing was wackier stuff like Howard the Duck and Squirrel Girl. You’re right, I conflated the two groups, but they both mate the same fate in the end so it is largely irrelevant. Obviously Helstrom is cancelled, does anyone know if MODOK has a future?
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Neo Rasa posted:I still have to see Public Enemies. Public Enemies is really weird. It's shot in that strange, digital, faux verite style that he also used for Miami Vice, but it's also a really inaccurate and mythologised take on Dillinger's life. It collapses whole events into one another, people die in it who actually died a long time after and the story's main focus is on a really loving half assed love story. It feels like a 'too many cooks' type situation. The book is a huge tome and covers a shitload of ground, and the film is a largely unsuccessful attempt to find a clear through line. The shootouts are loving dope though. Mandrel posted:Public Enemies rules. i feel like some of the mixed reaction it got was from people’s assumption it would be more of the usual Mann protagonist/antagonist, criminal/cop frenemy dynamic with Depp and Bale playing off each other, when instead it’s much more quiet, slow burn, rigorously biographical and interested in examining Dillinger. More an Ali type movie than a Heat or Collateral. It's not rigorously biographical, though. Pretty Boy Floyd, killed at the beginning of the film, and Baby Face Nelson, killed about halfway through, both outlived Dillinger. I understand why they shifted it round, to create the sense that Dillinger is the last of his kind. He wasn't, though. It's a concession to dramatic structure. It sits uncomfortably between biography and myth and doesn't quite do either very well.
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Mandrel posted:finally got around to watching Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance today. I was super lukewarm on the first one back in the day and had always heard the sequel was worse so I had never watched it. I wish anybody had told me it was by the Crank dudes, I would’ve checked it out much sooner. Movie loving rocks. Nick Cage going full Nick Cage screaming and laughing like a lunatic, Idris Elba playing a drunk French priest who uses machine guns and does Matrix dodges, Ghost Rider turning a 20 story dragline into a flaming monstrosity and going nuts on people, Christopher Lambert covered in face tattoos, every single actor just chewing the scenery, manic camerawork. It’s great. I still think the best Ghost Rider movie was Drive Angry
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The first Ghost Rider was incredibly bad imo so I similarly never got around to watching the second despite Cage's performance anecdotes and him buying ancient Egyptian crystals that he lined the inside of his coat with to help get into character.
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I couldn't stop loving Cage sounding like Elvis.
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I haven't seen either Ghost Rider (couldn't make it through #1) but Drive Angry is a phenomenal entry in the "too pissed off for hell" genre that's shared with few movies not named "Mortal Kombat".
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the second Ghost Rider has a scene where the fire effects on Ghost Rider’s head are so realistic I literally looked it up to be sure they didn’t just set a stuntman’s head on fire for the scene
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Mandrel posted:the second Ghost Rider has a scene where the fire effects on Ghost Rider’s head are so realistic I literally looked it up to be sure they didn’t just set a stuntman’s head on fire for the scene It was Neveldine and Taylor. They probably set their own heads on fire for the shot.
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Ghostrider 2 sucks but yeah, some of the effects and the "look" of the actual ghost rider was great
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There's some leaked set photos of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and he is wearing the Eye of Agamotto. Is he just wearing it as a sweet chain and fashion accessory now? And Thanos actually destroyed the Eye itself in Infinity War, so maybe he did just make a gold-plated chain replica. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There's some leaked set photos of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and he is wearing the Eye of Agamotto. Shared continuity, babeeee
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There's some leaked set photos of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and he is wearing the Eye of Agamotto. Maybe it’s the Dr. Strange from a different universe?
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Theres this funny thing I read I think from Ghost Rider 2 about Cage literally hitting a wall bc hes running out of insane Cage-isms, yelling about being tapped out. Or was that Bad Lieutenant? E: Ghost Rider 2 would have been alot better if they could film any of the action outside of a quarry
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There's some leaked set photos of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and he is wearing the Eye of Agamotto. Multiverse of Madness.
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well why not posted:I haven't seen either Ghost Rider (couldn't make it through #1) but Drive Angry is a phenomenal entry in the "too pissed off for hell" genre that's shared with few movies not named "Mortal Kombat". It had the obvious "it's coming right at youuuuu" 3d effects too but the overlay of the flashback on the windshield while Nicolas Cage is driving was actually the best use of 3d I've seen in a film to date
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It’s definitely a much smaller film than the first one but I think that worked for me. The first one was just like, peak mid-late 2000s Green Lantern bad CGI boringly shot superhero movie. there’s so many set pieces in it that should be awesome conceptually and I just felt nothing watching them because they’re so boring and devoid of any kind of style or weight. whereas in 2 just a scene of a eastern European extra babbling and looking terrified while a flaming skull screams in his face in a quarry for like a minute straight got me super hyped and cackling. there’s just a lot more inspiration there. there’s that shot after the Rider kills a bunch of guys where he’s just standing there with the camera on his back and then he starts swaying his hips and you realize he’s doing a funny little dance that’s just so good i dunno, maybe I’m just weird, i just had so much fun watching that stupid loving movie
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I also enjoy Ghost Rider 2 for the manic energy and camera work. Its a fun wacky b action movie. The BTS is nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqgI2kKUqqc
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Nic Cage fully birthed a completely unique form of acting with its roots in vaudeville and silent films and by God I respect the dude for just going for it. "Mega-acting" indeed.
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Ghost Rider 2 is the very definition of a movie that is less than the sum of its parts, which is too bad, becomes some of those parts are pretty awesome: - Ghost Riding the largest land vehicle on earth (can he ghost ride ships and planes?) - Nick Cage being even more insane than the first - Idris Elba being charming as hell - Eastern European Oligarch Satan - Fantastic effects for half the budget of the first film
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The one bad guy's superpower being entropy/decay was pretty rad too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvnOZiCXudk Lol that that's the only video of it I can find too
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The United States posted:- Ghost Riding the largest land vehicle on earth (can he ghost ride ships and planes?)  
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Nic Cage fully birthed a completely unique form of acting with its roots in vaudeville and silent films and by God I respect the dude for just going for it. "Mega-acting" indeed. I'm still sad about him and Ron Perlman just phoning it in for Season of the Witch just because yeah it IS a crappy movie but it would have been legit good if they both did their maximum thing.
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Is stuff like this the norm for Ghost Rider comics? That character(s) seems like you can get really dumb and over-the-top with it in the good way.
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I want a Ghost Rider movie written by Da Share Zone.
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AccountSupervisor posted:I also enjoy Ghost Rider 2 for the manic energy and camera work. Its a fun wacky b action movie. so loving cool
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Jimbot posted:Is stuff like this the norm for Ghost Rider comics? That character(s) seems like you can get really dumb and over-the-top with it in the good way. Ghost Rider ghost rode a Mastadon, among other things:  
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