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Yeah I guess basketball players can be alright, but I don't know poo poo about basketball other than some liberal dipshit called off their strike because Obama called him on the phone and convinced him that doing nothing is actually the best way to do things, so fuckin embarrassing. Do NBA players get preventably injured? I don't think of basketball as a violent sport, it usually just seems like a guy lands from a 3 feet vertical jump in a bad way and snaps his shin or something.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:For real, show me a pro athlete who shows solidarity with the working class and I'll show you one that I would feel bad about him getting a concussion. Lmao, solidarity only with people who have the same opinion as me, the true leftist position.
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Jun 6, 2021 15:23
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Solidarity with rich people is conditional, sorry lol
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Jun 6, 2021 15:29
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Terror Sweat posted:Lmao, solidarity only with people who have the same opinion as me, the true leftist position. i mostly help people accomplish the things i want to happen, and dont help with things i dont want to happen. i donno if that makes me a leftist
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Jun 6, 2021 16:07
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It's fun seeing everyone here who thinks that there's a dollar value on a person's right to not be harmed. Who cares if these guys have a large salary for a few years, they're still dying early (and like I said already, the millionaire hockey player is the top 1% of players, and the other 99% are still getting injured). "oh because they don't support me, I won't support them" is some real cool emotional maturity being shown in this thread.
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Jun 6, 2021 16:17
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I support the right of any worker who isn't rich not to get injured at work, some guy making 750k/year better not be a loving chud if anyone wants me to feel bad about him getting laid out and dying early.
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Jun 6, 2021 16:22
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Fashionable Jorts posted:It's fun seeing everyone here who thinks that there's a dollar value on a person's right to not be harmed. There is but NHL players don't come close to that IMO
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Jun 6, 2021 16:23
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Fashionable Jorts posted:It's fun seeing everyone here who thinks that there's a dollar value on a person's right to not be harmed. if personal harm isn't worth money than i guess we should stop paying cops $100k per year
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Jun 6, 2021 16:26
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Yes we should. Also because being a cop in Canada is one of the safer jobs you can have.
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Jun 6, 2021 16:32
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very few hockey players(and athletes) in general make huge amounts relative to the actual pool of money available and they probably take the brunt of the actual abuse in sports. lower paid players also have incredible short careers as well
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Jun 6, 2021 16:33
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not to mention the amount of abuse and harassment exists in minor hockey and how all athletes are forced to give their free labour to minor and amateur leagues for years before even getting a shot to go pro
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Jun 6, 2021 16:37
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sports should be funded by the government for the entertainment of the mass and also something people do as a hobby when they are not engaged with their proper socially useful job. pro sports isn't good for athletes and its isn't good for society
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Jun 6, 2021 16:38
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i cant believe you idiots are still arguing about this trolling canadian hockey fans is like shooting fish in a barrel
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Jun 6, 2021 16:42
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Rutibex posted:sports should be funded by the government for the entertainment of the mass and also something people do as a hobby when they are not engaged with their proper socially useful job. pro sports isn't good for athletes and its isn't good for society if you eliminated private ownership of teams, divided the profit more equitably among players, beefed up post career pensions and healthcare, adjusted the rules to get rid of fighting and targeting and fixed the cesspool that is minor and amateur sports it wouldnt be so bad. it is entertaining to watch top shelf athletes compete at the top of their game
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Jun 6, 2021 16:45
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RBC posted:i cant believe you idiots are still arguing about this listen bud i just skipped the last 5 pages and needed to get my word in. im also a top tier barrel shooter so how about you gently caress off
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RBC posted:i cant believe you idiots are still arguing about this *After posting about the subject multiple times in the past few pages* Hurr durr I can't believe you guys are still talking about this, trolled much? Heh, sportsball much? How about you go outside and pick some weights once in a while bitch Terror Sweat has issued a correction as of 18:02 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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You can't ice fish or skate in a barrel. Idiots.
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Mafic Rhyolite posted:For real, show me a pro athlete who shows solidarity with the working class and I'll show you one that I would feel bad about him getting a concussion.  https://twitter.com/samizayn/status/1374807716594659334?s=21  (he’s quoting Propagandhi lyrics all week. Sami is CSPAM Canada incarnate)
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Jun 6, 2021 18:07
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Extremely ironic that professional wrestling is the only true sport
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:We should just have fuckin Rollerball already since hockey as it exists is a half-assed substitute for actual bloodsport Somebody with a pirated copy of Photoshop should modify that goon in the dark drawing so that instead of children playing outside it's Wayne Gretzky scoring a goal
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Jun 6, 2021 18:59
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:Somebody with a pirated copy of Photoshop should modify that goon in the dark drawing so that instead of children playing outside it's Wayne Gretzky scoring a goal or wayne gretzky voting for trump
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Jun 6, 2021 19:11
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Rutibex posted:sports should be funded by the government for the entertainment of the mass and also something people do as a hobby when they are not engaged with their proper socially useful job. pro sports isn't good for athletes and its isn't good for society the cfl exists now though we know minor/junior hockey is awful, and that the ncaa is a whatever-ball team where the players are forbidden from earning more than a token education from the school attached to the team, but what's it like elsewhere? is the path to pro for a serie a player equally-brutal? are there battered and bruised 30-year-olds who'll forever be sipping tea in a minor-league cricket clubhouse? is there a sandlot luchador tour? flakeloaf has issued a correction as of 19:19 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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I don't know about hockey but I know that in the nfl if you're a bottom of the roster/practice squad player you get paid about 150k a year. But you also pay out of pocket for all your camps, training, travel, medical visits, gear etc because the team only covers that for their main roster. I've read some former players say that they were making about $25k+/- a year all while sustaining life long injuries in the pursuit of nfl contracts. All labor is exploitative and professional sports are no exception. Maybe it's better here because American labor laws are pretty nonexistent but I doubt it's much better.
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ghosthorse posted:I don't know about hockey but I know that in the nfl if you're a bottom of the roster/practice squad player you get paid about 150k a year. But you also pay out of pocket for all your camps, training, travel, medical visits, gear etc because the team only covers that for their main roster. I've read some former players say that they were making about $25k+/- a year all while sustaining life long injuries in the pursuit of nfl contracts. NHL players and owners split revenue 50-50. Saying NHL players are "workers" and being exploited is like saying CEOs with stock options are exploited. It's loving stupid.
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RBC posted:NHL players and owners split revenue 50-50. Saying NHL players are "workers" and being exploited is like saying CEOs with stock options are exploited. It's loving stupid. drat so now teams are worker co-ops that rules bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m has issued a correction as of 19:43 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:drat so no teams are worker co-ops that rules pretty much. except every worker has their own lawyer to negotiate them better pay and working conditions. really exploitive conditions.
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I'm wondering what everyone thinks the relationship of players to all the actual workers in these sports organizations are. Do you think they work in solidarity with the ushers in the arena and the cashiers at the food kiosks? Are they the brothers of the cameramen and janitors? Or do they just exploit the gently caress out of all these people to suck them dry with multimillion dollar salaries. Hmmm. This is a very tough call.
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Team owners don't have the omnipresent risk of a career-ending brain injury happening to them at any moment, and the fact that the players do is a condition of their employment that long predates the 50-50 arrangement. The owners and the players' union both have the power to insist that this arrangement be modified, but neither does.
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flakeloaf posted:Team owners don't have the omnipresent risk of a career-ending brain injury happening to them at any moment, and the fact that the players do is a condition of their employment that long predates the 50-50 arrangement. The owners and the players' union both have the power to insist that this arrangement be modified, but neither does. And many players are also owners, often of the most exploitive junior and minor league teams.
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do they pay the players in the minor and development hockey leagues yet? because the ncaa doesn't and is a literal huge scam that needs to be dismantled
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I think it would be fair to let the hockey team beat the poo poo out of team owners after every game to keep things even and fair
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RBC posted:NHL players and owners split revenue 50-50. Saying NHL players are "workers" and being exploited is like saying CEOs with stock options are exploited. It's loving stupid. spoken like a true lib
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look, if someone has something bad done to them and it ISN'T because capital controls the means of production, i don't wanna hear about it!
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more hockey chat: it's fun how the moment of silence for the residential school victims is immediately followed by the national anthem
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Rutibex posted:if personal harm isn't worth money than i guess we should stop paying cops $100k per year i have never worked a job in my life that wasn't significantly more dangerous than being a cop, and not one of them has come close to earning a third that amount of money, so absolutely yes.
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Jun 7, 2021 00:15
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lowering the flags to half mast was a good start, now they just need to lower them the rest of the way & take them off the flagpoles
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how many times per year does the average canadian hear the national anthem outside of sports? my guess is 0
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pokeyman posted:how many times per year does the average canadian hear the national anthem outside of sports? Depends on how many times I want to listen to classified's "o Canada". So 0.
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Jun 7, 2021 00:22
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pokeyman posted:how many times per year does the average canadian hear the national anthem outside of sports? does the little O Canada jingle on government ads count? if so, it's probably like, 3
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pokeyman posted:how many times per year does the average canadian hear the national anthem outside of sports? Depends how big of a Radiohead fan you are
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