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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Seems very Joss Whedon, honestly. yeah something like that, kind of. it's like Cage tried to make his own Whedonesque punchy fragile waifu, and the result is somehow even worse. probably cause it's based on a real person e: oh no what a horrible snipe 
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Jun 6, 2021 23:32
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nurmie posted:Like, I don't know what was going on behind the scenes and stuff, and I can look past the whole "people as written by a loving alien" vibe that permeates every single thing on the screen - in fact, if it was just this, it'd be the greatest so-bad-it's-good piece of art since The Room. David Cage is French, but is very obsessed with making Hollywood-style, psychological supernatural/scifi crime thrillers, but in video game form. And he's not coming from a place where he feels he needs to research or consider anything beyond whatever American TV shows and movies he's absorbed knowledge of, unlike Swery65 and his team. It leads to a very dissonant setting and writing style that constantly breaks everyone's suspension of disbelief, when it's not downright creepy poo poo. Even bits of the setting will be completely off like in Detroit, the lovely seedy drug house Kara's owner lives in has a toilet room and separate bathroom, when American houses almost always have both in the same room. Then there's in-game lore saying that the climate is so hosed that hurricanes are happening on the Great Lakes, and like, I don't know if Detroit or anywhere else around the lakes would be habitable if the temperature within the lakes was high enough to make hurricanes possible. Anyway, if anyone wants more David Cage bullshit to suffer through the Super Best Friends did some other enjoyable complete LPs: Omikron, which I think the all agreed was one of their best LPs after they broke up as a group a couple years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=691RrF9pnaU And two playthroughs of Detroit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngvvT5NnhqY Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jun 6, 2021 |
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Jun 6, 2021 23:46
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DoctorWhat posted:since when is sepw so hot edit: this was in my recommends, it's very silly but I love it. a skilled rhythm game player made a custom controller out of bananas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhXSw-lcjE&hd=1&t=3185s Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 00:11
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Nuns with Guns posted:
He did exactly the same thing in Heavy Rain where Ethan's house had separate toilet and shower rooms. You'd think he would have learned his lesson after that one.
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Jun 7, 2021 00:15
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when has david cage learned anything
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Jun 7, 2021 00:16
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The only contact I have had with Heavy Rain is Slowbeef/Diabetus randomly going off on a tangent about that game's plot during the Omega Ridley fight. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLsOd6YJ5P8&t=1036s) And thats all I need. muscles like this! posted:He did exactly the same thing in Heavy Rain where Ethan's house had separate toilet and shower rooms. You'd think he would have learned his lesson after that one. Its not as if this isn't a thing that can also happen in European homes either. DeafNote fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 00:26
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Nuns with Guns posted:David Cage is French, but is very obsessed with making Hollywood-style, psychological supernatural/scifi crime thrillers, but in video game form. And he's not coming from a place where he feels he needs to research or consider anything beyond whatever American TV shows and movies he's absorbed knowledge of, unlike Swery65 and his team. It leads to a very dissonant setting and writing style that constantly breaks everyone's suspension of disbelief, when it's not downright creepy poo poo. yeah even disregarding all the creepy, gross poo poo and the clear lack of research going on, David Cage just fundamentally doesn't seem to be too curious about, well, people, it feels like. i know he's praised (or at least used to be, for a bit) as a great visionary and whatever. however, from what little exposure i've had to his stuff just now, when it's not gross it's just profoundly incurious - in this annoying up-its-own-arse kind of way it's like, David Cage has got some Profound, Grand Ideas, and he has to construct all these elaborate Deep Narratives around these Ideas to explore them - all the while completely neglecting the fact that Profound, Grand Ideas don't exist in a vacuum and that people generally might just not work in a way that would have these Ideas make sense. David Cage doesn't really care about that - his Ideas is what is important; learning stuff about people and their lives and history and real life in general, and drawing inspiration from that can (and should) be neglected. It's a completely rear end-backwards way of writing, imo - and it's not just David Cage who is guilty of it, but he is a glaring example anyway, sorry about Cage-posting, i haven't been this, uh, triggered, by a creator in a while and i just need to get it out of my system 
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Jun 7, 2021 01:04
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One of my favorite bits of Heavy Rain is just how french gremlin the children in it are, they couldn't even begin to hide their accents.
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Jun 7, 2021 01:23
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god, i love how miserable/bored they look. nurmie posted:I think I found my new least-favourite Big-Name Game Auteur dude. Nuns with Guns posted:David Cage is French, but is very obsessed with making Hollywood-style, psychological supernatural/scifi crime thrillers, but in video game form. And he's not coming from a place where he feels he needs to research or consider anything beyond whatever American TV shows and movies he's absorbed knowledge of, unlike Swery65 and his team. It leads to a very dissonant setting and writing style that constantly breaks everyone's suspension of disbelief, when it's not downright creepy poo poo. with Cage and other weird europian "artists" like him, i always think of this cartoon RLM made in their pre rlm early days. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5xtclr basically some sad dumb weird rear end in a top hat who doesn't get what makes a good movie/video game or story. like all of his games have cool premises but they always end up being loving horribly written and weirdly edgy and over the top. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 01:57
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This is totally unrelated to everything else, but I will always be astonished that Ethan was supposed to have a supernatural connection to the Origami Killer and then they just cut that entire plot element out wholesale so in the final product there's no explicable reason at all for why he blacks out all the time and wakes up holding an origami crane.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:26
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e- Replacing a nonsense joke with content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOR9ZvMymWc Mother's Basement talks about a cool new anime coming out called To Your Eternity. It's not a harem or romcom full of anime bullshit he's become immune to, so he's got some worthwhile things to say about it. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 02:36
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davidspackage posted:
There is a LP of Omikron: the Nomad Soul in Let's Play! right now.
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Jun 7, 2021 02:59
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cugel posted:There is a LP of Omikron: the Nomad Soul in Let's Play! right now. Considering the track record of Omikron LPs actually being finished (There have been a ton of abandoned ones), its probably better to watch one that has already been finished. Supergreatfriend did one.
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Jun 7, 2021 03:32
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Hard to believe the industry's reputation is... Still fallin'
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Jun 7, 2021 03:42
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Even though I'm still enjoying the guests slowbeef brought with him, I'm sad that Diabetus didn't stick around for the RE8 streams.
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Jun 7, 2021 04:16
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So I've never been super familiar with David Cage or his work, so I have to ask: How did he get where he is? His only work in the video game industry prior to forming Quantic Dream was as a musician, he's usually just credited as a "director" on the games he's created at QD and he doesn't seem to have any programming or technical credentials? I'm assuming he comes from money and just sort of bought his way into being a visionary game developer, but his Wikipedia page gives absolutely no information on his life prior to 1993 except that he was born in Mulhouse. It feels like he's a realization of what embarrassing teenagers think being a game developer is all about: Having big ideas for games despite not having the qualifications to do any of the actual, practical work that goes into game development.
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Jun 7, 2021 04:23
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Veotax posted:Please enjoy this stage demo David Cage gave for Heavy Rain in 2009. Sweet jesus, that's sure something. 
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Jun 7, 2021 04:31
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KingKalamari posted:So I've never been super familiar with David Cage or his work, so I have to ask: How did he get where he is? His only work in the video game industry prior to forming Quantic Dream was as a musician, he's usually just credited as a "director" on the games he's created at QD and he doesn't seem to have any programming or technical credentials? I'm assuming he comes from money and just sort of bought his way into being a visionary game developer, but his Wikipedia page gives absolutely no information on his life prior to 1993 except that he was born in Mulhouse. iirc he wrote the story of his first game, used his musician money to hire a team to actually code it and has just sorta rolled on since then. Conceptually not all game writing positions require coding experience, but "he basically bought his way into becoming a game director" isn't wrong.
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Jun 7, 2021 04:42
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Matt Baume: John Waters & the Trinity of Trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRDqHzFDQv4
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Jun 7, 2021 04:53
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nurmie posted:yeah even disregarding all the creepy, gross poo poo and the clear lack of research going on, David Cage just fundamentally doesn't seem to be too curious about, well, people, it feels like. i know he's praised (or at least used to be, for a bit) as a great visionary and whatever. however, from what little exposure i've had to his stuff just now, when it's not gross it's just profoundly incurious - in this annoying up-its-own-arse kind of way people liked comparing cage and yoko taro during detroit, but i prefer kojima comparisons personally david cage is so incurious that he cannot be bothered to learn how a bathroom works. kojima, if anything, understands bathrooms too well
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Jun 7, 2021 05:27
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cage's near-complete obliviousness on every subject from home construction to climate to economics to basic human interaction, combined with the production values of his last three games, lends them a deeply uncanny atmosphere. i would compare them to museum exhibits on humanity created by aliens or something, but even that doesn't work because the only definite "thumbprint" cage leaves on his work is fetishistic - women in underwear, women being beaten, women in bathrooms, women in underwear being beaten in bathrooms
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Jun 7, 2021 05:34
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the best thing david cage did was the dlc to heavy rain where you can take a chainsaw to a serial killer’s balls
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Jun 7, 2021 05:38
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the msot remarkable thing about cage games to me is always how lovely the cutscenes are when theyre supposed to be the main draw. kojima is also a space alien but he knows how to get good mocap and where to put the camera
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Jun 7, 2021 05:43
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did cage direct that one game where there's a chase scene filled with quick action prompts but if you just intentionally fail them all it becomes the funniest thing in the world
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Jun 7, 2021 05:50
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Farm Frenzy posted:the msot remarkable thing about cage games to me is always how lovely the cutscenes are when theyre supposed to be the main draw. kojima is also a space alien but he knows how to get good mocap and where to put the camera yeah I was honestly surprised at how, uh, nothing-special Cage's cutscene direction was. There were quite a few games that came out at the same time or before Two Souls that were much better directed, better performed and better animated Kojima, imo, tends to be a bit too curious about stuff, but at the very least the curiosity is there. also, imo, he's a much better gameplay designer and game director than he is a writer - MGS V for example has one of the tightest gameplay loops that i've ever encountered in that kind of games. which alone puts him head and shoulders above Cage e: that is not to say Kojima gets a pass for his weird and gross obsessions. though at least his obsessions seem to be sort of juvenile in nature and stemming from Being Horny; whereas Cage feels much more groomer-like and with a side of Voyeuristic Humiliation Fetishist, which is arguably much more gross nurmie fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 05:54
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Bleck posted:did cage direct that one game where there's a chase scene filled with quick action prompts but if you just intentionally fail them all it becomes the funniest thing in the world
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Jun 7, 2021 06:03
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also if you want a weirdo game just play deadly premonition instead
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Jun 7, 2021 06:04
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Bleck posted:did cage direct that one game where there's a chase scene filled with quick action prompts but if you just intentionally fail them all it becomes the funniest thing in the world This is basically every David cage game, from what I understand
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Jun 7, 2021 06:15
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nurmie posted:yeah I was honestly surprised at how, uh, nothing-special Cage's cutscene direction was. There were quite a few games that came out at the same time or before Two Souls that were much better directed, better performed and better animated Yeah the guy whose games story rely on someone making GBS threads themselves in every game doesn't have a humiliation fetish? Or when you get pissed on? Or when people constantly piss themselves in almost every game? Kojima is a lot of things and the guy who dares you to enter his magic forest is one of them. Also I'd be wary of assigning too much of the gameplay design credits to Kojima himself, both the MGS2 making of documentary and the MGS4 podcast highlights how much of the games are made by the regular workers, even occasionally despite Kojima himself.
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Jun 7, 2021 06:37
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Hel posted:Yeah the guy whose games story rely on someone making GBS threads themselves in every game doesn't have a humiliation fetish? Or when you get pissed on? Or when people constantly piss themselves in almost every game? Kojima is a lot of things and the guy who dares you to enter his magic forest is one of them. that sounds more like a pee and poo fetish tbh, and i'm really not a fan of entering Kojima's magic forest, just to get that out of the way - however, he doesn't give me nearly as much of bad vibes as David Cage does. dunno, maybe he should lol
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Jun 7, 2021 06:49
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nurmie posted:that sounds more like a pee and poo fetish tbh, and i'm really not a fan of entering Kojima's magic forest, just to get that out of the way - however, he doesn't give me nearly as much of bad vibes as David Cage does. dunno, maybe he should lol
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Jun 7, 2021 06:55
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Captain Invictus posted:all that needs to be said about Kojima and women is this: Beauty And The Beast Unit Yet Cage somehow tops it with the dummied out rape scene in Beyond Two Souls.
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Jun 7, 2021 06:57
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nurmie posted:that sounds more like a pee and poo fetish tbh, and i'm really not a fan of entering Kojima's magic forest, just to get that out of the way - however, he doesn't give me nearly as much of bad vibes as David Cage does. dunno, maybe he should lol He probably should, 4 has Snake constantly trying to look up womens skirts/down their dresses in important cutscenes, you can molest female enemies at gun point, the entire beauty and the beast unit. Was it Policenauts that let you molest every major female character? 5 had Quiet, the vagina bomb, child rape. PW had everyone being super into Paz when they thought she was a minor. There probably a lot more I'm missing. There's a reason I think Survive is a breath of fresh air on that front, without Kojima, being creepy about women isn't really a part of it. The only exception really are DLC costumes, like the EVA / Boss ones which is ripped straight from 5.
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Jun 7, 2021 06:59
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This only reinforces my belief that Yoko Taro is the only good developer who's also a decent human being.
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Jun 7, 2021 07:00
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kojima is just a run of the mill misogynist who makes funny games i like but david cage is very close to completing the macdonald triadCaptain Invictus posted:all that needs to be said about Kojima and women is this: Beauty And The Beast Unit its so bad. its like dumber and worse than anyone could have actually anticipated.
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Jun 7, 2021 07:03
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Captain Invictus posted:all that needs to be said about Kojima and women is this: Beauty And The Beast Unit Hel posted:He probably should, 4 has Snake constantly trying to look up womens skirts/down their dresses in important cutscenes, you can molest female enemies at gun point, the entire beauty and the beast unit. Was it Policenauts that let you molest every major female character? 5 had Quiet, the vagina bomb, child rape. PW had everyone being super into Paz when they thought she was a minor. There probably a lot more I'm missing. holy poo poo  ok, full disclosure, i've only played MGSV and a bit of Death Stranding, so i guess i've underestimated the creepiness of Kojima lmao not to say there weren't any Weird Stuff going on in those two - however, it felt much more, well, juvenile and horny, i guess - as opposed to whatever the gently caress this is. maybe i'm misremembering, of course still, Cage somehow feels worse tbh nurmie fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Jun 7, 2021 07:06
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MSG4 and Ground Zeroes were really egregious compared to most stuff before and since, but there is weird pervy poo poo in every game. Though I think it is important to distinguish them because unlike Cage Kojima does not appear to have verbally abused employees or done any of the sexual harassment stuff that Cage definitely 100% did.
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Jun 7, 2021 07:09
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nurmie posted:holy poo poo it is so so hosed Revengeance only had Mistral's getting horny when plugging in extra arms into her spider backpack I think but outside of that was never creepy, which was extremely noticeable that kojima had little to nothing to do with it because I think every single kojima metal gear game since Solid had at least half a dozen incredibly creepy and misogynistic moments in them
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Jun 7, 2021 07:11
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um excuse me they dont do sexy poses in the camera mode until you play the anime music on the iPod™ please give the game some respect
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Hel posted:There's a reason I think Survive is a breath of fresh air on that front, without Kojima, being creepy about women isn't really a part of it. The only exception really are DLC costumes, like the EVA / Boss ones which is ripped straight from 5. of all the loving takes in this thread. jesus christ
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