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Paulie and the prostitute (this fall on NBC) was great. "Our families probably knew each other!" "Si." 
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May 27, 2021 00:09
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LOL just got to "I stick motherfucking provolone in my socks at night so they smell like your sister's crotch in the morning" (episode: The Happy Wanderer). I think on my next rewatch I'll make a serious attempt to make a bunch of gifs, there's just so many good scenes/one-liners.
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I started a rewatch from Season 3, and man Ralph gets put through the wringer, even for what is possibly the most unlikeable character. I saw "Some Pulp" tshirts pop up the other day online and man I gotta get one of those. E: "she was a loving whoooorse" I, Butthole fucked around with this message at 08:56 on May 27, 2021 |
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May 27, 2021 08:35
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Ralphie is my favorite character and in my horrible, watched the whole series 3 times opinion his death is when the show shifts from violent escapism into pseudo-artsy navel gazing. e: Not trying to defend him, he's despicable. I couldn't even watch the Bada Bing parking lot scene last time.
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May 27, 2021 16:06
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Yeah that is when the show gets even better
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May 27, 2021 19:36
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Matt Zerella posted:The NATO gondola comment is an incredibly deep/time specific cut. And it was just a random guy on the street that saw an American and decided to complain about it. Most people don’t realize how serious of an international incident that was, especially because the US tried to get away with it. There’s also some “gently caress NATO” graffiti in certain scenes, again, not in the script.
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May 27, 2021 19:50
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Escobarbarian posted:Yeah that is when the show gets even better I'm the kind of fan David Chase hates, I get it.  e: When I was a young man I worked with a lot of italian and irish guys in construction, and based on those experiences I think Ralphie's mix of shrewd business sense, drug addiction and explosive violence made him the most realistic character on the show. Another Bill fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 27, 2021 |
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May 27, 2021 21:17
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And it was just a random guy on the street that saw an American and decided to complain about it. Most people don’t realize how serious of an international incident that was, especially because the US tried to get away with it. There’s also some “gently caress NATO” graffiti in certain scenes, again, not in the script. Chase in the commentary talked about how much fun it was to shoot there. Basically just point your camera and you have an amazing shot.
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Countless rewatches and I just now realized Tony is making a jerkoff motion after telling the John Gotti Bunglow Bar story on the golf course.
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Eyyyyyy I just read this whole thread. Oh if only I had known there was a devoted Sopranos thread going on a year ago to distract from the anxiety and doldrums of pandemic. I love me some motherfucking loving Sopranos and Jerusalem’s write ups are fantastic. Jumping in with a couple random obsessive thoughts. Jerusalem posted:
You forgot to mention Fanny was the woman Livia sent bouncing off the windshield of her car in an earlier episode! Lol that the only person who actually liked Livia ended up in a wheelchair because of her. On my first watch of the show years ago I had a completely different take than I have seen discussed here on the snobby professor’s “they never export the best pieces” comment about the Beretta shotgun. From the way he first mentions the manufacturer dating back to the 1500s then he says the line and it cuts to all the guys looking hurt and confused and Tony walks away, I thought it was meant as an insult directed at them personally, masked as a comment about the quality of the gun. Kind of like Trump’s lovely “they’re not sending their best” comments, I thought Dr. Fegoli was straight up calling them descendants of lower class immigrants to their faces. Maybe that’s me reading more into it than was written and he just meant he thinks the gun was smuggled. For some reason I just love this moment where Paulie calls Sil a wormy cocksucker and they both stand up glaring at each other with their shoulders hunched and their hairdos almost touching. OHHH! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQKuZ8FgNi8 Manson Lamps would be a top notch user name.
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I think its come up ITT before, but what's the thread's take on Boardwalk Empire? I've been rewatching it, and it really hit me how much the show is a direct copy of The Sopranos. Like they basically just did a sequel to the Sopranos with a different cast in a different time period. Not only the family drama and violence, but things like the dream sequences from Sopranos are basically directly imitated. Not nearly as good, largely because Buscemi can't carry the show like Gandolfini could. But its interesting how similar they feel.
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Zaphod42 posted:I think its come up ITT before, but what's the thread's take on Boardwalk Empire? I brought this up before but I can't believe Hernan is Lucky Luciano. Anyway, I thought the first three seasons were great, I didn't really care for S4 and the last season's time skip was a big mistake.
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Zaphod42 posted:I think its come up ITT before, but what's the thread's take on Boardwalk Empire? Of those shows at the time Boardwalk season 1 was the closet they came to a Sopranos epic but missed the point entirely that for all the drama and dark stuff Sopranos had loads of humor which made it eminently more watchable then any 100% super serious crime drama. It kind of got better at points during later seasons but was always dragged down by a need to be as dark and edgy as possible.
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pentyne posted:Of those shows at the time Boardwalk season 1 was the closet they came to a Sopranos epic but missed the point entirely that for all the drama and dark stuff Sopranos had loads of humor which made it eminently more watchable then any 100% super serious crime drama. It kind of got better at points during later seasons but was always dragged down by a need to be as dark and edgy as possible. A concussed Nucky confusing Chalky with 'the help' was hilarious.
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I watched all of BE, and I saw it before Sopranos. I have to admit that as much as I enjoyed it at the time, it didn't stick with me like The Sopranos does. The ending of the show almost felt like they were trying to make up for the ending of the Sopranos. Nicky gets an apparent happy ending, then boom, along with a flashback scene to remind you that oh yeah, this guy's a piece of poo poo who doesn't deserve a happy ending.
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Zaphod42 posted:I think its come up ITT before, but what's the thread's take on Boardwalk Empire? To me, Boardwalk was almost the inverse of The Sopranos. It does a great job of laying out twisty mob plots that Sopranos mostly backgrounded and really relishes living inside those criminal sit-downs where everybody talks around their true intentions, but (outside of Nucky and Margaret) its interests in the characters and their internal lives was a secondary concern. It could feel like a wildly different show season-to-season as characters adjusted to work into the newest plot developments. pentyne posted:Of those shows at the time Boardwalk season 1 was the closet they came to a Sopranos epic but missed the point entirely that for all the drama and dark stuff Sopranos had loads of humor which made it eminently more watchable then any 100% super serious crime drama. It kind of got better at points during later seasons but was always dragged down by a need to be as dark and edgy as possible. One hundred percent. It's been a while since I watched it, but I recall the first season in particular feeling like it was being written specifically to mark off check-boxes of what HBO would let them get away with, occasionally to its own detriment ("Alright, this episode we gotta do two graphic deaths, one with corpse mutilation; we need 10 minutes of topless women aaaaaaaaaaand...what the hell, a graphic Michael Shannon sex scene that ends with him beating himself up.") It kind of mellowed as it went along and really got humming as it found a groove...but then S5 was a step back in a lot of ways. Overall, though, I really liked the series. The occasional plot hiccup was more than offset by the fun, pulpy action and great performances (Stephen Root was basically born to play Gaston Means; the scene where he breaks into the guy's house to kill him, watches him commit suicide instead and just stands dumbstruck by his "luck" for a few seconds is a personal favorite.) Plus it was just a beautiful show, the production design was top-notch and the level of detail they put into everything was amazing. The firm that did most of the digital effects has some highlight reels on Youtube that are fascinating to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxTNhNe6Fbc Halloween Jack posted:The ending of the show almost felt like they were trying to make up for the ending of the Sopranos. Nicky gets an apparent happy ending, then boom, along with a flashback scene to remind you that oh yeah, this guy's a piece of poo poo who doesn't deserve a happy ending. It's not surprising in retrospect, given that Terence Winter was the guy pushing Chase to add a scene with Paulie and Chris encountering an amnesiac Russian in the final season.
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Hell, I didn't even mean it literally! I had no idea the creator was a Sopranos writer. Following plot at the expense of characterization seems like a necessity of a show that's more grounded in historical events and persons. (It doesn't even go in for composite characters very often.) Arguably the show was at its best when dealing with the original characters and what the big events and changes mean to them, rather than being the best fictional depiction of Meyer Lansky or whoever. A lot of prestige shows go all-out in the beginning. Mad Men was like that too, laying it on real thick with the "Bring another martini to my office, toots, I dripped Brylcreem in this one! And close the door behind you! Say, would you like a Chesterfield! My doctor recommends them!" Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Hell, I didn't even mean it literally! I had no idea the creator was a Sopranos writer. I was wondering about that, yeah. I don't really know anything about the characters in BE apart from the fact that many (all? I don't even know that) of them existed IRL, so I don't know how faithfully the writers felt like they had to stick to their actual histories, that would have been a constraining factor compared to the Sopranos where they could just pretty much make up whatever they want. But I also just get the general vibe that they took some creative liberties with the history, so maybe that's not as much of a factor as I'd think.
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Ainsley McTree posted:I was wondering about that, yeah. I don't really know anything about the characters in BE apart from the fact that many (all? I don't even know that) of them existed IRL, so I don't know how faithfully the writers felt like they had to stick to their actual histories, that would have been a constraining factor compared to the Sopranos where they could just pretty much make up whatever they want. But I also just get the general vibe that they took some creative liberties with the history, so maybe that's not as much of a factor as I'd think. I mean the real Enoch Johnson lived until old age. Right about the end of Season 2 things go right off the rails. But they did change the names to make it clear it wasn't a documentary series. The most damning criticism of Boardwalk I can give is that I never watched the final Episode, I've seen every single other episode, but I got called in to work at the Finale. I had it sitting on my DVR for years, and I realized I just didn't give a poo poo. It's not a bad show, but trying to weave so many plots in so many places made it sometimes nearly incomprehensible. And as much as I love the actors in the show, there ain't any Gandolfini, Falco level actors in the show. Edit: The book it's based on is actually a great read, and while I'm at it Nixonland is required reading for Mad Men
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Halloween Jack posted:Hell, I didn't even mean it literally! I had no idea the creator was a Sopranos writer. The first episode of Mad Men, while immensely crucial to laying out how the show works, is by far the worst episode for trying to put the 1960 culture on display. I'd suggest anyone who didn't like it to at least watch some of the first season before giving up as it improves massively in every way. The pilot was also shot 2 years before the show was even picked up I think. The difference between episode 1 and 2 is extremely jarring in that they don't even look like the same set.
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Ralph Hurley posted:Eyyyyyy I just read this whole thread. Oh if only I had known there was a devoted Sopranos thread going on a year ago to distract from the anxiety and doldrums of pandemic. I love me some motherfucking loving Sopranos and Jerusalem’s write ups are fantastic. Yeah, Jerusalem is really good. He has a thread on The Wire here too if you enjoy his writing. His posts in both threads are better than the books I've read about either of these shows. ... RE: Boardwalk Empire: One of those shows I feel like I should like and get hooked on but never did. Which seems to be the consensus. I mean...it was really good, had great acting, good storytelling, fine directing and all that but it just never sunk its teeth into me.
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I’m on the last season of Gomorrah, which is about the crime families that run Naples, and they forgot to put the subs on S4 ep7 and after watching the whole series in Italian up to now, I can’t in good conscious watch this ep in English. I hope hbo fixes this ASAP because I really want to finish the show and watch the movie it’s adapted from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4QORgagblU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egtdYTuRKto ruddiger fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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The movie is really good, your in for a treat
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Gomorrah the movie is great and the sequence at the end is chilling, especially with the chosen soundtrack. this song burns my soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOG26tPqJC8
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Ralph Hurley posted:On my first watch of the show years ago I had a completely different take than I have seen discussed here on the snobby professor’s “they never export the best pieces” comment about the Beretta shotgun. From the way he first mentions the manufacturer dating back to the 1500s then he says the line and it cuts to all the guys looking hurt and confused and Tony walks away, I thought it was meant as an insult directed at them personally, masked as a comment about the quality of the gun. Kind of like Trump’s lovely “they’re not sending their best” comments, I thought Dr. Fegoli was straight up calling them descendants of lower class immigrants to their faces. Maybe that’s me reading more into it than was written and he just meant he thinks the gun was smuggled. That's a pretty cool read I hadn't considered it from that angle.
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Yeah, I had never considered that take either but I really like the idea of it. Regarding Boardwalk, it hit a high watermark with the Bobby Cannavale season (season 3 I think?) which is just superb, and while it was still all right after that it never quite hit the same high note. Plus, as mentioned, the time-skip was a bad idea and I really disliked the final scene of the final episode. It didn't feel earned, and it also felt like a backslide and basically a slap in the face to one of the better characters - Richard - and the monstrous things he did in the name of a greater good which basically gets utterly negated by the last scene for no fit purpose. As mentioned, the real life Enoch Johnson had a very different fate, and I really think it would have been better suited if Nucky had ended up the same way - he gets away "free" from his life of crime and corruption, then spends the last decades of his life a nobody with no friends or family, a vaguely pathetic figure mostly considered the neighborhood eccentric, divorced of the power he once craved and reveled in, having lost everything he lived for in favor of a freedom he couldn't really savor." Nobody really talks about Boardwalk anymore, and certainly the ending didn't have any real impact, while the Sopranos and its ending in particular are still pored over with fascination all these years later. Ironically I think it would have been better for Boardwalk to have copied Godfather 3's ending. For all that film's many faults, the one thing it absolutely got right was showing that unlike his father, Michael Corleone died alone and and unloved/uncherished, having destroyed everybody who cared for him in pursuit of power ostensibly for their benefit.
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Yeah season 3 of Boardwalk was the only one I really loved. Then I bounced off of 4 incredibly quickly for some reason.
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Looking back at it, the only characters that stand out in my mind are Harrow, Van Alden and Nucky's German driver. Whereas just about every character on The Sopranos felt relatable, real and distinct, a lot of the recurring cast on Boardwalk felt like generic bit players who seemed to exist more in service of the plot than on their own terms. Doesn't help that a lot of the acting was very uneven. Shannon's excellent scenery chewing notwithstanding, quite a few great actors like Dominic Chianese felt utterly wasted on this show.
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Man, that is NOT how I saw that Puerto Rican acupuncturist in my mind.
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Ain't that just the old ice t meme
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The last few seasons of Boardwalk Empire weren't great but holy poo poo the dude they got play young Steve Buscemi might be some of the best casting in history https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0681844/
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