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no hay camino posted:IMO it makes some sense, but no way in hell would I use Bitcoin as opposed to something more stable. Bukele comes across as an interesting figure, but at the end of the day he's at best a centrist His heart seems in the right place at times but his ideology will prevent him from achieving his goals. Bitcoin seems cool and trendy but it isn't reasonable or even sensible to have the poor use it as currency and "invest" in it.
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Cryptocurrencies are constantly evangelized by whackos and sometimes they bend the ears of actual leaders, with potentially wacky ramifications, if they don't have other voices in the room pointing out downsides like "holy gently caress it takes hours for transactions to clear"
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They're made of tech buzzwords like 'the cloud' that old morons love and assume their inability to understand it means it's cool and good.
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That's weak. Real leaders roll their own crypto.
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Cryptocurrency systems are designed to be inherently anti-scalable, and it'd be hilarious watching idiots try to make them work anyway if the waste of energy and materials wasn't such a loving catastrophe.
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This is an open-ended question, but why does it appear that Venezuela has been so much worse off economically compared to Cuba when both countries have had to deal with economic sanctions and both countries' economies rely on resource extraction (oil vs sugar)? Cuba has been able to provide social services, crime is low, and the country is doing overall ok given its circumstances, if not exceeding. Is it a matter of Cuba being able to avoid the drug trade? Venezuela handling its resources incompetently? It's not a matter of "socialism bad lol". Honestly, I get the impression that Maduro doesn't know what he's doing (Guaidó is a joke). Yeah, I ask stupid questions but this seems like such a basic thing I don't understand. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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venezuela banked absolutely everything on oil and that didn't pan out and they had no backup plan also psuv are far more nakedly corrupt and selfish than the pcc, who at least gives some degree of a poo poo about its citizens
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no hay camino posted:This is an open-ended question, but why does it appear that Venezuela has been so much worse off economically compared to Cuba when both countries have had to deal with economic sanctions and both countries' economies rely on resource extraction (oil vs sugar)? The short answer is that Venezuela banked everything on primarily two things: Chavez not dying and oil prices staying high. Both those things happened so the country collapsed. The long answer is that it's twofold. Hugo Chavez was a very charismatic figure and had very strong authoritarian tendencies. He consolidated more and more power to the government and executive branch. However, while doing this it's clear that he held the cards due to his immense support from both the public and the military. He actually had ethics such as having free elections and an accurate vote count. He was able to keep things in line as nobody would dare try to take his place. Once Chavez died the government kept all of their power and thus were able to do things like making an entire branch of government irrelevant. Sure Chavez wouldn't do that, but he left things open for someone in the future to do so. The country also has the biggest proven oil reserves in the world. Chavez got into office at the turn of the century, right when oil prices began to skyrocket. This made his radical policies seem like they were getting radically positive results. In reality the country's economic growth essentially mirrored global oil prices 1:1. Chavez core policies either didn't do anything or were actively harmful but just didn't matter due to the tidal wave of oil money. He nationalized thousands of companies, some that made sense (oil) to some that didn't (shopping malls). Whether or not they were ran well was irrelevant. The skyrocketing oil prices would gulp any loses up. Chavez also expanded social welfare programs. People make these programs out to be "the Sweden of Latin America" but in reality they spent as much on GDP on these things as America does. But that's still well above the Latin American average. But whether or not Venezuela could afford these said programs were comfortably masked by the massive windfall of rising oil prices. The oil bubble popping resulted in a lot of nation's showing how strong their core economy really was. Iran was able to hold on better than expected. Russia struggled for a bit. But Venezuela free fell. It turns out that almost all of the nationalized companies were ran like crap, businesses didn't want to do business with the country due to the fear of being nationalized, and in general there was no money being injected into the economy as oil was the money maker. This led to a complete and utter economic collapse. So now combine these two things. A charismatic leader who consolidated power in petrostate with an economy that leaned all in on oil extraction, who ended up dying all the while oil prices freefell. That's basically Venezuela. An economy in ruin with consolidated power solely to the ruling party at the time of Chavez's death. In terms of why Cuba was able to fair better. Probably because the country had to learn how to actually function without a sudden windfall of massive amount of cash. I do realize that the Soviet Union subsidized Cuba a lot, but left them to the elements enough that Cuba was able to figure out how to withstand losing all of it's trade partners after the Cold War. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Oof, that's quite the turn-around if true
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Exit poll put Keiko slightly ahead (within the margin of error), and now the first official quick count gives Castillo a very slim lead. This is gonna be a long night, but it bodes well for Castillo if Perú follows the same pattern as Bolivia, where rural districts are counted last. e: haha welp SexyBlindfold fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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wait liberals banding together with fascists to stop the left!?!?!? whaaaat, that's crazy, i'd certainly never expect that!
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With 85% of the results in Lima is at 99% reported, while the rural areas are still at 75% ish. Fujimori is still up about 300k votes (51 to 49%) but is losing about 0.4% of her lead with every 2% new votes counted. Unless this trend somehow changes, Castillo should be in front by about one percent at the end. But I mean you know who else was gaining fast in the late reporting rural districts in 2019 and what the OAS had to say about that  Edit:   1.35% additional votes counted, Fujimori lost another 0.25% (you can follow live here https://www.resultadossep.eleccionesgenerales2021.pe/SEP2021/EleccionesPresidenciales/RePres/T ) Spice World War II fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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The oversees vote is heavily Fujimori so far with 11% counted, but only 35k people voted overseas, so this should not affect things much, as there are still almost 2 million votes outstanding
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On the note of the OAS. I am sure that is a totally cool and normal reaction for the head of the OAS to have after being called out for the mess they made in Bolivia: "Almagro hit back in an interview with Colombian news channel NTN24, referring to the collapse last month of a rail overpass in Mexico City on a metro line built when Ebrard was mayor of the capital from 2006 to 2012. "I'm a nice person, and I hope that no other structure that he built as mayor of Mexico City collapses," the Uruguayan said when asked about Ebrard's remarks." https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexicos-foreign-minister-blasts-oas-almagro-over-bolivia-stance-2021-06-04/
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Almost there... I felt filthy voting for Castillo but now I'm glad I didn't protest blank vote or anything. This one might be closer than with PPK. I mean, there's going to be 5 more years of chaos anyway but seeing Keiko crash and burn in the end once more (not literally, but a man can dream) would be  .
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Imagine if keiko goes from losing by like 3%, to .2%, to an even smaller margin. Hopefully those late votes swing against her hard.
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What provisions are there for recounts and challenges? Because if it ends up with less than 1% difference either way I can't imagine that either side would concede without challenging the result.
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Cuba also banked everything on their pre-revolutionary main export remaining high. The only reason it worked out for Cuba was that the USSR purchased sugar at a subsidised rate.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Cuba also banked everything on their pre-revolutionary main export remaining high. The only reason it worked out for Cuba was that the USSR purchased sugar at a subsidised rate. That bit in Tropico makes sense now.
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It's also ridiculous to act as if it were a choice of either Cuba or Venezuela to do so. Their economies were set up with that skewed an economy before their respective revolutions. It's not at all simple to diversify away from a previously colonial economic mix.
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itshappening.gif I'm guessing they will be predictably disappointing but I'm now curious for the overseas results. Edit: 4600 to go lmao Ulvino fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jun 7, 2021 |
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Castle will probably win as all rural votes swing hard to him.WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's also ridiculous to act as if it were a choice of either Cuba or Venezuela to do so. Their economies were set up with that skewed an economy before their respective revolutions. It's not at all simple to diversify away from a previously colonial economic mix. When your party is in firm power for literal decades you'd expect notable progress, or at least to not become even more dependent. Bolivia, Iran, and Ecuador managed to diversify, Venezuela has no excuse.
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Zedhe Khoja posted:awww Girl It's the third loss in a row for Hirohitlary lmao e: it's not just the defeat, winning the election seemed like her one way out of a prison sentence
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SexyBlindfold posted:It's the third loss in a row for Hirohitlary lmao It's great the the country gets to dodge another round of Fujimorist bullshit.... ...but for me the side benefit is to make that crusty crank Vargas LLosa gets to die mad. I wonder if this will be the thing that makes his mask slip fully off.
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i always wondered why it was Vargas LLosa and not Vargas Llosa, but i guess he took another L today
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SexyBlindfold posted:i always wondered why it was Vargas LLosa and not Vargas Llosa, but i guess he took another L today La fiesta del Chivo isn't a bad book
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He's a good writer despite the lib takes.
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He followed the boomer trajectory of left when younger and then going increasingly right wing as he got older, right?
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His Nobel speech is all about how populism is destroying the world and how the left and right are both bad.
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So previously in this thread I posted r/Bolivia's greatest hits. I'll now do the same with r/Peru.quote:Todo porque algunos militantes del Partido Morado no fueron a una de sus reuniones y no se logró el cuórum necesario: quote:quote:quote:A rare supporter: quote:Responses: quote:"El comunismo es como Minecraft, es divertido hasta que te mueres de hambre". quote:ya quiero ver cuando celebres y te vayas a dormir para despertar sin casa
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Yeah, the latin american subreddits seem to lean right, it's not surprising when you suppose what would be the (white, affluent) demographics of your average computer toucher in these countries. It's the same problem with only listening to people from country X who know how to speak English. Also lol "ombliguista"
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I'd say it varies - the inexplicable decision to make some of these subreddits english-only (or bilingual with a majority of posts in english) is a far bigger filter than "having a computer", which at this point covers a large majority of the population in the more urbanized LatAm countries, and a decent chunk of the middle class in the rest. Another reason is that most latin americans aren't super active on sites well-known to english speaking folks - you'll see a lot of activity on facebook and local message boards, but twitter's reach is spotty, same with reddit. Chilean reddit is overhelmingly left-of-center (or rather overwhelmingly not-right, though there is a much smaller right-leaning counterpart that right-wing users fled to when the original sub instituted a ban on dictatorship apologism), but I'll grant that it's an outlier, at least as far as LatAm reddit goes.
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The /brasil subreddit is pretty progressive in general, but also we probably have one the world's most reactionary rightwing movements. That said, there is is a spin-off reactionary subreddit that has a much smaller population.
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smug n stuff posted:His Nobel speech is all about how populism is destroying the world and how the left and right are both bad. Also his "neither left not right" picks are INSANELY TO THE RIGHT. All you need to do as a conservative is to not be splattered with the fresh blood of indigenous people and you're a centrist option. Old blood still gets you a pass.
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SexyBlindfold posted:I'd say it varies - the inexplicable decision to make some of these subreddits english-only (or bilingual with a majority of posts in english) is a far bigger filter than "having a computer", which at this point covers a large majority of the population in the more urbanized LatAm countries, and a decent chunk of the middle class in the rest. Another reason is that most latin americans aren't super active on sites well-known to english speaking folks - you'll see a lot of activity on facebook and local message boards, but twitter's reach is spotty, same with reddit. Chilean reddit is overhelmingly left-of-center (or rather overwhelmingly not-right, though there is a much smaller right-leaning counterpart that right-wing users fled to when the original sub instituted a ban on dictatorship apologism), but I'll grant that it's an outlier, at least as far as LatAm reddit goes. This is true. In doing "research" on Bolivia's reaction to the election, I discovered that almost all of Facebook was pro-Arce.
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