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they put all their eggs in "fabric" without actually putting any effort into it, basically. all sorts of virtual switching features that often didn't work right, and a design built around the idea that you would connect and provision dozens of "instant access" switches attached to it that were actually just 2960Xes with a different IOS image on them that couldn't officially be used as standalone switches until the platform finally went so badly to poo poo that they released an official guide to converting them from 6800IAs to 2960Xes. catalyst 6800s may be one of the shortest lived cisco product lines. you can still buy them but the 9400 and 9600 lines basically replaced them outright in like three years flat
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At the time cisco also wanted to push the nexus line as the "do everything" box, except it was notably missing a ton of features and had one of the most poorly implemented high availability models ever Basically the 6800 should have been a replacement 6500, but it wasn't, because cisco ACTUALLY wanted you to buy nexus, but they also couldn't perform the same role the 6500s did so a simple drop in replacement meant major redesign and the new designs were clearly far worse.
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abigserve posted:At the time cisco also wanted to push the nexus line as the "do everything" box, except it was notably missing a ton of features and had one of the most poorly implemented high availability models ever I still have nightmares sometimes about being the only cisco guy on my team available for a support call we got out of the blue where a network fell apart and just was being completely loving non-deterministic because hooking up a bunch of nexus 5Ks and 9Ks in a certain way caused ARP packets to just occasionally disappear if they had to cross virtual switching trunks
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https://www.ciscolive.com/c/dam/r/ciscolive/emea/docs/2015/pdf/BRKCRS-3502.pdf good slide deck on the intended architecture of the 6800 family and what they were hoping for people to want to implement it as. they didn't build it to just be a 6500 replacement, so it suffered when used as such. if anything you were supposed to up-convert your 6500E chassis to 6800s by buying 6800 line cards and replacing your SUP720s with SUP2Ts so you could have all the new 6800 fabric features without needing to unrack your core switch and rack a new one. they 100% designed it expecting people to want to have their access switches be fabric extenders controlled by the core switch halfway across town connected via a DWDM link. abigserve is right, the 6800 by all rights would have ruined any other network company
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abigserve posted:The 6500 was the last good platform cisco ever made, along with the tank of the closet - the 3750G looked up the 3750 and holy poo poo quote:Series Release Date 14-APR-2003 jesus christ almighty
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Kazinsal posted:I still have nightmares sometimes about being the only cisco guy on my team available for a support call we got out of the blue where a network fell apart and just was being completely loving non-deterministic because hooking up a bunch of nexus 5Ks and 9Ks in a certain way caused ARP packets to just occasionally disappear if they had to cross virtual switching trunks  that is absolutely horrifying. fuuuuuck
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Kazinsal posted:I still have nightmares sometimes about being the only cisco guy on my team available for a support call we got out of the blue where a network fell apart and just was being completely loving non-deterministic because hooking up a bunch of nexus 5Ks and 9Ks in a certain way caused ARP packets to just occasionally disappear if they had to cross virtual switching trunks Oh ya bud Had cisco support tell one of my customers their topology didn't support multicast Just straight up. Oh yeah this doesn't work The design was done by cisco lmao
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lmao
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abigserve posted:The 6500 was the last good platform cisco ever made, along with the tank of the closet - the 3750G I still have a 3560G that I use for my home LAN I got it for free from my Cisco intern days. One of the earliest Gigabit switches with jumbo frames you could get. It's identical to the 3750G but no stacking.
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I have a 2960-S at home from when we were throwing out like half our lab and the boss said "take what you want and leave the asset tag on the shipping desk so logistics can mark it as destroyed" in retrospect I should have grabbed more poo poo but I also had enough of a hard time lugging a switch and a couple discombobulated PCs home on the train
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which one of you dorks broke the internet today?
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paging jony290 to the thread
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:paging jony290 to the thread the cdn fell over on him. that’s the rumor
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3846735&perpage=40&noseen=1&pagenumber=4502#post515327826 try to keep up
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very weird traffic tonight on our network. good luck jony
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content delivery notwork
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my homie dhall posted:content delivery notwork
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my homie dhall posted:content delivery notwork
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my homie dhall posted:content delivery notwork
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i dont even know, man i know, but i'd be fired if i told you
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condolences for your stress levels this morning
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i honestly don't have anything to do; the lower tier support folks are handling the tickets and the higher tier eng/release folks are fixing the problem. so thats nice
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the perfect mid-range of seniority, nice. that's my goal in life (that and many more figgies) speaking of networking/infra, just got fiber to the home installed. gigabit symmetrical, speeds in practice are actually hitting it too. hell of an upgrade from my previous 600/30 cable connection. 
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i'm on 120/15 cable for $90 a month. go to hell lol
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i get 400/30 service for $90. they have "gig" service but they mandate you use their networking gear so i passed
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oof. if the yosnas gets supplanted by a yostracker or something I will pledge my upload speed to maintaining itShaggar posted:i get 400/30 service for $90. they have "gig" service but they mandate you use their networking gear so i passed rude. no bridged option or anything? I just have OLT -> GPON -> ONT -> 1000BASE-T -> 2960S -> firewall which is still a few more steps than I'd like but my switch is about 30 feet from the fibre handoff and there's nowhere near enough slack to run it through the walls etc.
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well i WAS going to buy a 2 bay syno, load it with 14t drives in a mirror and park it at a colo that gives symmetrical no-cap gigabit for $29 a month but then that stupid crypto poo poo happened and now platters are all a trillion dollars. crypto dorks ruin everything they touch
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Jonny 290 posted:well i WAS going to buy a 2 bay syno, load it with 14t drives in a mirror and park it at a colo that gives symmetrical no-cap gigabit for $29 a month but then that stupid crypto poo poo happened and now platters are all a trillion dollars. Have you considered that "money" (or "fiat") is not real op? crypto is real. it's made with computers, that's how you know
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Kazinsal posted:the perfect mid-range of seniority, nice. that's my goal in life (that and many more figgies) I too have this at my home. Only issue is that my office isn't wired and I can't find a loving low-voltage contractor to do it. I may just have to buckup and tear my walls out and drill through the floor. I really don't want to do that.
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Speaking of fibre anybody else using using tcp bbr? I have 500/500 and it makes a crazy difference in upload speed when there is packet loss. I live in Ontario and here is speed test to Halifax with it on and off, 400% increase in upload speed with a single sysctl . code:code:
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I'm a sys admin and my weakest area has always been networking - I could probably pass a Network+ exam but that's about it. I'm thinking of asking work to send me to some training class(es) so I can understand routing and how to not be afraid of network device CLI's. Of course there aren't really generic learn how 2 network courses, it's all vendor stuff. Would a CCNA course be sufficiently generic to teach me networking? Or are there better options out there? I don't really care about the cert itself, I may take the exam after just to have it, but I'm not looking to change jobs anytime soon so I don't care about padding my resume. We use Dell networking gear at work in the environments I currently work in so there's no vendor training for that.
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yes, the base ccna is what you want jfyi > so I can understand routing easy peasy > how to not be afraid of network device CLI's. never goes away
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it goes away when you switch to juniper devices which have a cli not designed explicitly to gently caress with you
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CLI? How quaint. I do 90% of my configuration via yaml and jinja templates over an API. Want to start implementing OpenConfig too.
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i do my configs in a big tell other people what to do and expect it to get done with my wife
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existing network appliances piss me off so much I'm writing a routing/firewall OS currently working on L3/L4 filtering, then after that, a higher performance forwarding table. current one is fast enough with just a handful of routes in it but I suspect with thousands of routes it'd be a bit too sluggish so I'll need to implement something like a 256-way trie
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Kazinsal posted:existing network appliances piss me off so much I'm writing a routing/firewall OS sounds like a pretty bad idea tbh
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Kazinsal posted:existing network appliances piss me off so much I'm writing a routing/firewall OS why not just use windows 10
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:CLI? How quaint. I do 90% of my configuration via yaml and jinja templates over an API. Want to start implementing OpenConfig too. same. most network vets treat it as high advanced technology but it's really straight forward and so much easier in the long run. especially if you have ansible experience with server stuff
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