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StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum
Don't know if anyone in here is familiar with photonicinduction but he has reappeared online after a two year hiatus and is kicking off with blowing a 5000amp fuse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mGhhdPgXG8

In case you need an introduction, he's... interesting. I get slightly BNP vibes from some of the stuff he says but his incredible ability to pull insane power off the national grid in the service of blowing industrial electrical components into hot plasma is worthy of respect.

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/BritishArmy/status/1402234005349617667?s=19

TROOPED

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Id click on this thumbnail on pornhub.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Id click on this thumbnail on pornhub.

Six strapping military lads give one old pensioner a D-Day they'll never forget

Buff platoon perform D-Day landings live on camera

namesake fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jun 9, 2021

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
for these new recruits every day is D day

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Colon-izers 5

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


If someone were to say "I don't think climate change is real because a lot of leftists think it is." or "I don't think COVID-19 came from a lab because Nigel Farage said it did." Is that a logical fallacy? Which one would you consider it to be. I was think Appeal to Spite, but I'm not sure that fits.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Guilt by association fallacy.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Guavanaut posted:

Guilt by association fallacy.

Thanks, buddy :)

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Was having a little think about Islington North in the next General Election, whenever that might be.

It seems unlikely, as it stands, that Corbyn is getting the Labour whip back. Do we think he'd stand as an independent in that case?

And, would doing so result in him being kicked out of the Party as a member? You're not supposed to be able to remain in the party if you've campaigned for a non-party candidate, right? I feel like that's one of the possible reasons why he might not do it, other than being fairly old and not wanting to go through the absolute circus that it would involve either way.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

In general it's a genetic fallacy, in that it's based on the origin of the argument.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

I wonder if this was staged as some sort of elaborate prank.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

In general it's a genetic fallacy, in that it's based on the origin of the argument.
I think they're close but distinct.

It's like the difference between "Donald Trump proposed this medical treatment, so I don't trust it" and "Donald Trump also believes in this medical treatment, proposed by doctors, so I don't trust it".

The they're both fallacies in the technical toga wearing debatebro sense, but distinct, because Donald Trump probably by statistical chance believes in some medicine that works, so it's fallacious to distrust boner pills just because he trusts them, but I'd be far more skeptical of trusting the random brainpoops he claims to have thought of.

But yes, they're both forms of ad hominem attacking either the source or the associates.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

sebzilla posted:

Was having a little think about Islington North in the next General Election, whenever that might be.

It seems unlikely, as it stands, that Corbyn is getting the Labour whip back. Do we think he'd stand as an independent in that case?

And, would doing so result in him being kicked out of the Party as a member? You're not supposed to be able to remain in the party if you've campaigned for a non-party candidate, right? I feel like that's one of the possible reasons why he might not do it, other than being fairly old and not wanting to go through the absolute circus that it would involve either way.

I'd be very surprised if Keith is still leading Labour by the time we get that far. The next by-election looks like it'll be another loss for Labour, and that should probably be enough to get him chucked out of a window, politically.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
starmer presumably doesnt really have any actual resentment for corbyn because hes kind of too pathetic to have that kind of strong opinion. So with minimal pressure applied in the right places surely corbyn has a way back in, he must have enough friends? If he wanted it that is. Like he was so lame at beating people up has he really made enemies with the people that actually know? The people that chucked him on the leaders ticket in the first place. Maybe they've learnt? LOL

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost
the most depressing, and also the dumbest, outcome is that Corbyn never gets the whip back, so that's my guess

there's a lawsuit about it ongoing i think so that will probably turn out to be a massive victory for Corbyn... in 2026 or so, when he has long since retired

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
is that using that crowdfund that lady did? I gave a tenner!

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


kingturnip posted:

I'd be very surprised if Keith is still leading Labour by the time we get that far. The next by-election looks like it'll be another loss for Labour, and that should probably be enough to get him chucked out of a window, politically.

Is there anyone for progress to replace him with? I imagine they'd have to be pretty sure to take that gamble

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

sebzilla posted:

Was having a little think about Islington North in the next General Election, whenever that might be.

It seems unlikely, as it stands, that Corbyn is getting the Labour whip back. Do we think he'd stand as an independent in that case?

And, would doing so result in him being kicked out of the Party as a member? You're not supposed to be able to remain in the party if you've campaigned for a non-party candidate, right? I feel like that's one of the possible reasons why he might not do it, other than being fairly old and not wanting to go through the absolute circus that it would involve either way.

The local party overwhelmingly backs him, but I could see a quiet-but-hard conversation being had along the lines of "if it becomes a choice of standing down or standing as an independent, that puts all the rest of us in a very difficult position, and it could well end up like 1983 all over again, maybe it's best you stand down and focus on the Project for Peace and Justice, and then we can all concentrate on repelling the inevitable attempt to impose some idiot on us who if they somehow get in will only lose the seat to the Lib Dems or Greens".

(Corbyn was first elected in 1983, standing as the official Labour candidate against two incumbent MPs: both John Grant for the SDP, whose Islington Central seat was being abolished, and Michael O'Halloran as Independent Labour, who left for the SDP with much less hesitation than Grant and was then unsurprisingly irked when Grant was selected for the seat he was currently holding.)

SpaceCommie
Oct 2, 2008

I'm escaping to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by Capitalism ...

SPACE!



Communist Thoughts posted:

Is there anyone for progress to replace him with? I imagine they'd have to be pretty sure to take that gamble

The absolute dumbest timeline would be Labour puting up a blairite against him and dropping whatever cash they have left contesting the seat only for Corbyn to return an increased majority.

So that's my assumption of what is going to happen.

jaete
Jun 21, 2009


Nap Ghost

jaete posted:

the most depressing, and also the dumbest, outcome is that Corbyn never gets the whip back, so that's my guess

to clarify, this would be the dumbest outcome since Corbyn is actually fairly likeable as a politician and his inclusion in Labour could keep young leftists etc voting for Labour, rather than them voting for Greens or not voting at all

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
It'll be interesting to see the centrists in Labour arguing that after Keith continues to have all the presence of a wet teatowel and leads the party to a more crushing defeat than Corbyn could have dreamed of, the answer will be to elect an even more triangulating, focus-grouped empty suit nerd. How do you even spin something when you've been proved wrong so many times? Things change and shitheads though they are they will have to adapt and stop cargo culting Blair eventually, because there'll come a point where their own cushy jobs are actually at risk. Probably not for a good while yet though.

I really hope the unions withdraw funding and put their money towards a new party. A properly resourced actual left party doing organising and grassroots stuff alongside a decent media strategy could begin to make real inroads today, if it accepted that it wouldn't be winning and elections for a while.

E: the absolute worst long term outcome next election would be an unconvincing win by labour under Starmer (or similar) due to the tories making GBS threads the bed, but I doubt that will happen because with the pandemic rhetoric and him claiming the successful nhs vaccine rollout happened because of rather than in spite of the government, I can see bojo locking things down for at least another round.

ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jun 9, 2021

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Our timeline seems dumb but rarely to our benefit so I think we're gonna get kier until 2026 and then yvette Cooper running as a a moderniser

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Northern Independence for Islington North.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Constituency redistricting that massively benefits the Tories but also quietly eliminates Islington North and is therefore entirely unopposed by Labour

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Islington North is turned into a farm and they get all the young farmers to come in and farm Islington North.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT0yoo9B2Bc

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

jaete posted:

the most depressing, and also the dumbest, outcome is that Corbyn never gets the whip back, so that's my guess

there's a lawsuit about it ongoing i think so that will probably turn out to be a massive victory for Corbyn... in 2026 or so, when he has long since retired

Yeah, look at Starmer's record to date: running some dogshit candidate against Corbyn, losing and looking like a fool would very much be his thing.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

ThomasPaine posted:

How do you even spin something when you've been proved wrong so many times?

The same way these people always do. "We weren't third waying hard enough, we must purge the traitors holding us back" etc etc etc

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Surprise T Rex posted:

I enjoy that we all know who Slaanesh is.

:heysexy:

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

where’s that side by side of Kate : avocados are a lovely fruit vs Megan : her lust for avocados is causing climate change and human rights abuses in mexico

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

It’s been said before but ugh, gently caress BrewDog

https://twitter.com/punkswpurpose/status/1402724680637747200?s=21

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


Bobby Deluxe posted:

Northern Independence for Islington North.

I was a pilot bringing supplies to the brave citizens of Islington during the London Airlift

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I looked into that legal defence fund for Corbyn thing from a while ago. They've got 370k sitting in a go fund me account but can't start a bank account for some reason? Because banks won't let new businesses start current accounts? Bit weird.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Good morning. Joe Biden seems concerned about this Northern Island thing.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Maybe it's time for Biden to take full advantage of the fact that the UK's nuclear deterrent is not independent.

(You can read this as either "and hobble all the missiles, making Britain look bad and weak" or "and turn Whitehall into a puddle of molten basalt that will hopefully solidify in an interesting pattern so that tourists enjoy taking photos on it in 50 years" if you wish.)

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Guavanaut posted:

Maybe it's time for Biden to take full advantage of the fact that the UK's nuclear deterrent is not independent.

(You can read this as either "and hobble all the missiles, making Britain look bad and weak" or "and turn Whitehall into a puddle of molten basalt that will hopefully solidify in an interesting pattern so that tourists enjoy taking photos on it in 50 years" if you wish.)

You do you, but personally I would prefer the former since I haven't seen every document archived at the National Maritime Museum or the British Library yet.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

You do you, but personally I would prefer the former since I haven't seen every document archived at the National Maritime Museum or the British Library yet.

Most of the NMM stuff is kept at a separate off site place now. I think that, short of using one of the truly massive bombs, the archive would be fine.

The British Library one has most of the same stuff on site, so it is probably stuffed yes, that is a problem.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I think the latter would be a far faster way to read every document archived at the British Library, since your options are either reading more documents or reducing the number of documents archived.

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