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live with fruit posted:If we're breaking this seal, someone's pointed out that one of the Time-Keepers (the middle one) kinda looks like Jonathan Majors. Oh drat. And looking again, the Timekeepers' statue faces are all broken up/segmented by lines running down them...
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Robot Style posted:Depends on your definition of Big. There's stuff like Homecoming's title cards placing it after Infinity War in the timeline, or the dead-end foreshadowing of Loki controlling Selvig pre-Avengers and blind Heimdall from Age of Ultron. I feel like there's a difference between scrapped storylines and plot holes. Steve going back to live with Peggy seems to be more of a plot hole since it presumably is in an alternate universe, which would contradict what the cartoon said.
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I feel like we got to super brief action set pieces and just “Loki, this is your personality, this is what we need to tell you about the show. Here’s you not getting it, not getting it, now you finally get it.” Felt like marvel Netflix pacing instead of Disney+ pacing.
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Jun 10, 2021 00:25
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They cast Richard E. Grant in the show and rumor is he's playing Old Loki so I'm guessing that is the evil variant running around.
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X-O posted:They cast Richard E. Grant in the show and rumor is he's playing Old Loki so I'm guessing that is the evil variant running around. The guy from Spice World?
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X-O posted:They cast Richard E. Grant in the show and rumor is he's playing Old Loki so I'm guessing that is the "evil variant" running around. Adjusted that for you because given the fact that the TVA regularly destroys entire universes filled with sentient beings in the name of protecting their "sacred timeline" it's a little hard for me to see someone killing them as evil. Maybe in episode 2.
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Jun 10, 2021 01:06
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Are the infinity stones not working because they’re not in their own reality?
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Jun 10, 2021 01:07
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VaultAggie posted:Are the infinity stones not working because they’re not in their own reality? It's only explained as: magic doesn't work in the TVA. I guess cosmic magic doesn't work either there. It's odd, but maybe the three magical time lord lizards have a way to nullify the powers of variants and their weapons/trinkets/etc.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The guy from Spice World? He's an older British actor known for playing smarmy villainous assholes, so it wouldn't be surprising. He's never been a household name or anything, but the idea of him as an Older Loki and/or more villainous one does make sense. A quick look at his Wikipedia says his most recent large role that people might know him from is playing one of the major villains in Logan. I haven't even seen it, so I'm not sure just how major the role is, but it seems like a large role at least. So if you've seen that you might have a better idea of what to expect, since I assume he's not being as hammy in Logan as he would be in something like Spice World.
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VaultAggie posted:Are the infinity stones not working because they’re not in their own reality? That’s the comic explanation. As the stones are created and control the reality they were birthed in they serve no purpose outside of it and it seems the TVA is firmly outside space and time.
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tsob posted:It was kind of cool, but also didn't feel like anything really astonishing in and of itself i.e. the kind of thing that couldn't eventually exist without really advanced technology outside the realm of human ingenuity or the laws of normal physics. I'd frankly have expected something more akin to an M.C. Escher painting, with the various planes of the city folding in on themselves in mind bending ways, and time looping oddly for traversal or something. I'm honestly kind of confused about why Loki was so shocked by the appearance of the city and refused to believe that there was no magic in the TVA when he saw it. If anything, Asgard looks more impressive, because the TVA place just looks so chaotic and haphazard, where Asgard has an elegance to it's design. Also that there actually is apparently no magic in the TVA. Magic is basically a fundamental force in the Marvel universe, so not having any would be like building a city with...I don't know, no gravity or something. It's just another part of nature. Why would they specifically be avoiding it? Not even zero gravity, as in a vacuum; but a place where the very concept of gravity doesn't exist. Which, I'm not even sure how that would affect things. So these two things are probably related. In the comics at least the infinity stones don't work outside of the universe. The first example of this that springs to mind actually involves Loki, he makes a door leading outside the universe with the infinity stones then leaves them behind because they won't work where he's going. I assume the TVA isn't inside the universe so magic doesn't work for the same reason there . It's not voiding fundamental forces, those forces just don't exist there. Why would Loki be surprised they can achieve what they're doing without magic? Probably because he's used to living in a very magical world. quote:Is Josta infamous in some way? I assume it's a particularly cheap or low rent Coca-Cola knock-off in America or something? It's just a short lived brand from the 90s that's probably there for people to see and say hey I remember that.
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Didn't Thor say Asgardian stuff is not magic but super advanced technology that looks like magic?
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Jun 10, 2021 01:34
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socialsecurity posted:Didn't Thor say Asgardian stuff is not magic but super advanced technology that looks like magic? Loki specifically uses magic. Same as his mother.
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socialsecurity posted:Didn't Thor say Asgardian stuff is not magic but super advanced technology that looks like magic? He does, but Loki also talks about using magic constantly in the movies. I got some strong Loki: Agent of Asgard vibes from the episode, which was fun.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:So these two things are probably related. In the comics at least the infinity stones don't work outside of the universe. The first example of this that springs to mind actually involves Loki, he makes a door leading outside the universe with the infinity stones then leaves them behind because they won't work where he's going. I assume the TVA isn't inside the universe so magic doesn't work for the same reason there . It's not voiding fundamental forces, those forces just don't exist there. Why would Loki be surprised they can achieve what they're doing without magic? Probably because he's used to living in a very magical world. That kind of implies that magic is not inherently part of the Marvel universe though, and only exists in some of them. Which is a bit weird. Why does magic only work in the specific universe it's part of, and electromagnetism or whatever works fine from universe to universe? While I suppose your explanation that Loki is so used to magic that he has trouble understanding a place where it doesn't exist is probably the intention, I still find it kind of weird that the cityscape is what made him stumble on that, because it just doesn't look like something that is so fantastical that it would require magic to explain by his own point of reference. You'd think the time loop collar or whatever would trip him up more in that regard, given it seems more akin to the kind of thing one might expect the Time Stone to do. On that note, if magic is just not a thing in the TVA then why does the scene in the TVA courtroom imply that the collar is what sealed Loki's ability to use magic? socialsecurity posted:Didn't Thor say Asgardian stuff is not magic but super advanced technology that looks like magic? The films originally went with that premise, but kind of dropped it over time as magic became more common. Thor is an actual God of Thunder in Ragnarok for instance, with control over it on a fundamental level. He can call it to him naturally and without the use of any kind of technology. I think the line about technology in the first film was meant to settle audiences into the concept, while further entries in the MCU broadened out the concept to make people more and more accepting of "well magic is just a thing" so that Dr. Strange or whoever feel natural after a while and don't cause people to stumble and go "hold on, that's a bridge too far for me to accept". Apropos of nothing, but this talk of magic is making me wonder if Valkyrie in Love & Thunder will have access to the Odinforce and/or be the All Mother, with much more comprehensive magical capability akin to Odin himself as Queen of Asgard. tsob fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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socialsecurity posted:Didn't Thor say Asgardian stuff is not magic but super advanced technology that looks like magic? That sounds much more like something Tony would say. Does Thor really say that at some point in a movie? I know Tony says that a lot in various comics. Who knows if he's actually right or it's just something he tells himself to cope with there being something out there he doesn't understand. tsob posted:That kind of implies that magic is not inherently part of the Marvel universe though, and only exists in some of them. Which is a bit weird. Why does magic only work in the specific universe it's part of, and electromagnetism or whatever works fine from universe to universe? While I suppose your explanation that Loki is so used to magic that he has trouble understanding a place where it doesn't exist I still find it kind of weird that the cityscape is what made him stumble on that, because it just doesn't look like something that is so fantastical that it would require magic to explain by his own point of reference. You'd think the time loop collar or whatever would trip him up more in that regard. I don't know I thought the cityscape looked more impressive than Asgard which I see as kind of just classical architecture but bigger, it's just a matter of opinion I suppose. It's probably pretty hard to build something like that outside of all known reality, magic or not too
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tsob posted:He's an older British actor known for playing smarmy villainous assholes, so it wouldn't be surprising. He's never been a household name or anything, but the idea of him as an Older Loki and/or more villainous one does make sense. A quick look at his Wikipedia says his most recent large role that people might know him from is playing one of the major villains in Logan. I haven't even seen it, so I'm not sure just how major the role is, but it seems like a large role at least. So if you've seen that you might have a better idea of what to expect, since I assume he's not being as hammy in Logan as he would be in something like Spice World. He's a fairly prominent actor who has a weird role in Spice World that is out of character from all of his other roles. That's the joke.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:That sounds much more like something Tony would say. Does Thor really say that at some point in a movie? Yes, he says "Your ancestors called it magic but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same."
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:That’s the comic explanation. As the stones are created and control the reality they were birthed in they serve no purpose outside of it and it seems the TVA is firmly outside space and time. Which would only make sense. You can only really observe/monitor something from outside of it.
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Seeing Brad Pitt and Owen Wilson play graying older men in the past year and remembering that the first Brad Pitt movie I saw was almost 30 years ago is making me feel the cold hand of death on my shoulder.
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Loki seeing how miserable the regular workers were under the "absolute power" of the TVA was great. I think that moment both causes him to reflect on his own desires and see that the TVA is something that wants to take down.
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Good poo poo. I'm glad they didn't gloss over any of the horrible things Loki did, cuz people seem to love to forget them.
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I really enjoyed this, but the Cliff's Notes character development felt really cheap to me. Not as a narrative device overall - I understand using that as a plot point - more that it took a long time and a lot of terrible experiences to transform Avengers Loki into Beginning-of-Infinity-War Loki, but this one gets the same amount of development after second-hand observing the equivalent of a movie trailer on Youtube. They should've had a time passage montage while he watched an MCU movie marathon. Then they could make a self-deprecating joke about how could they possibly expect anyone to watch all that content because it's so long and samey. 
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Loki definitely palmed that time stone he was looking at in the drawer didn't he.
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Kithkar posted:Loki definitely palmed that time stone he was looking at in the drawer didn't he. If they only work in their own universe then it'd be basically worthless, since the chances he'll get to that universe are essentially nil. It may not even exist anymore.
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live with fruit posted:Are there any big plot holes currently open in the MCU? Seems like everything that even seems like a plot hole gets filled eventually, since the series never ends. How did Loki know about the Avengers time heist when he died years before it happened? I know they only put that bit in because everyone was going to say "what about the Avengers loving with time?" and they needed to handwave it away ASAP but Loki had no real way of knowing about all that.
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Dragonstoned posted:How did Loki know about the Avengers time heist when he died years before it happened? Didn't Loki see Ant-Man and multiple copies of other avengers running around, when they came and interrupted his capture. Him putting 2&2 together isn't that much of a stretch.
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tsob posted:If they only work in their own universe then it'd be basically worthless, since the chances he'll get to that universe are essentially nil. It may not even exist anymore. I took that to mean they don't work wherever the TVA is specifically, given we have already seen stones work in multiple timelines in endgame (though how thats classified is pretty technical and could go either way I guess)
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live with fruit posted:I feel like there's a difference between scrapped storylines and plot holes. Steve going back to live with Peggy seems to be more of a plot hole since it presumably is in an alternate universe, which would contradict what the cartoon said. Steve is a plothole in general because it violates the rules of time travel established in the movie, much less anything else that came up
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Dexo posted:Didn't Loki see Ant-Man and multiple copies of other avengers running around, when they came and interrupted his capture. Him putting 2&2 together isn't that much of a stretch. Yup, he even said he could smell the cologne of two Starks. He clearly knew what was up. Even in Endgame you can tell he is onto it because he is the only one paying attention to the case and while everyone is focused on Stark.
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Dexo posted:Didn't Loki see Ant-Man and multiple copies of other avengers running around, when they came and interrupted his capture. Him putting 2&2 together isn't that much of a stretch. Yeah he literally made a comment about smelling the cologne of two Tony Starks
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Dexo posted:Didn't Loki see Ant-Man and multiple copies of other avengers running around, when they came and interrupted his capture. Him putting 2&2 together isn't that much of a stretch. He doesn't know who Ant-man is though, Ant-man doesn't exist* at that point. Could have been a random villain taking their opportunity to steal the tesseract for all he knew He recognised Tony in disguise sure but its still a hell of a leap to know what they were doing and that it was specifically a time-heist and not something else that's possible in a world where magic exists. *Edit: I just remember that Ant-Man technically would have existed at the time but it would have been the retired Hank Pimm but I doubt Loki would be aware of him either Dragonstoned fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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The producers of Loki really loved Legion. Loki and Lady Loki need to face off in a battle of dueling song duets. 
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Everyone posted:Plus, it was kind of important for Loki to see what happened at the start of Infinity War. He had to see that all his plotting/scheming/literal backstabbing led to Thanos snapping his neck like he would a chicken. And to learn that according to the TVA Loki's "glorious purpose" was to sow strife, pain and misery which let other people become their best selves. To me, the TVA is giving me the same vibes as The Adjustment Bureau. "Other-wordly beings given the task of making sure everybody follows the "plan/timeline" that's written by a more powerful, yet unseen, force. And they use magical doors to teleport where they need to be. If someone learns of their exists, they're 'reset'." Hell, the movie even starred Falcon and Howard Stark!  It's a really good movie.
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"I'll gut you like a fish Casey" has to be a Scream reference right? That's a weird reference to make. EDIT: Yeah I love The Adjustment Bureau and was getting a lot of those vibes here as well. X-O fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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volts5000 posted:To me, the TVA is giving me the same vibes as The Adjustment Bureau. "Other-wordly beings given the task of making sure everybody follows the "plan/timeline" that's written by a more powerful, yet unseen, force. And they use magical doors to teleport where they need to be. If someone learns of their exists, they're 'reset'." Hell, the movie even starred Falcon and Howard Stark! Don’t forget the actor who plays Loki!
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I forgot just how crazy a certain segment of the internet gets about Tom Hiddleston/Loki and now every third reply on Twitter is already a gif of naked Loki posted by someone who changed their name to "@Hiddlebitch"
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Klungar posted:Don’t forget the actor who plays Loki! I was about to do the whole "the actor who plays Loki is Tom Hiddleston, but if you were talking about Matt Damon, technically he's the actor who plays the actor who plays Loki." But it's entirely possible/likely that Loki sent one of his court toadies down to Earth to get Matt Damon, Luke Hemsworth and Sam Neill to come to Asgard (willingly or not) to portray Loki, Thor and Odin in Loki's goofy play. Everyone fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jun 10, 2021 |
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