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Guavanaut looks to be absolutely right about the actual facts of the judgment, but what judges always forget is the actual practical effects of their rulings. People don't like getting sued so often tend to err on the side of caution,* & what a lot of people are gonna hear is "tervery is a protected characteristic" & so not sack people for the exact poo poo this judgment condemns. Holocaust denial isn't seen as repugnant because the law says so; it's seen as repugnant because society says so. *offer not applicable to small businesses who dgaf, big businesses who are above the law, or most other employment rights not protected by massive lobbies because lmao tribunal fees
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Jun 10, 2021 20:00
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DesperateDan posted:I did this thing about nukes years ago and really need to finish the rewrite but it's pretty much all still accurate for being written by a layperson Ooooh, thank you! Will be reading this!
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Jun 10, 2021 20:00
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a pipe smoking dog posted:When I moved to Manchester I lived with a bloke from Bridgend who had never seen a black person before. One of my all-time favourite posts ITT was during the riots, when Welsh coppers were drafted in to patrol London so the Met could spend more time with their truncheons - it was something like: "Look Dafyd, there's another one! It's just like The Wire!" (I'm annoyed that I can't remember enough of the phrasing to actually find the post itself and give proper credit).
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Jun 10, 2021 20:03
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Reminds me of (if anyone's into tabletop streaming) the CEO of Wyrmwood's big meltdown last year because some of his staff voiced concerns about health & safety, HR issues and working hours. His 'solution' was to film himself having a big pissy rant on the shop floor: Oh yeah thats a super toxic company right there.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:05
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feedmegin posted:I mean, if you think there's a US officer on every one of our nuclear subs who needs to give the ok for us to launch, I think you're going to need to provide a cite for that. As for not being able to target the US, well, we did nearly accidentally bomb the place already - and given we were aiming for a missile range in the US there, I doubt there's some kind of absolute lockout. Maybe a Clippy-style 'It looks like you're trying to obliterate the capital of the United States, are you sure about this Y/N' thing? they can be launched, but their targetting data has to be precomputed, so some company in the US has to do that for us if we want to fire it somewhere different to the current set of targets that can be used.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:11
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Borrovan posted:Wales is very obviously racist as gently caress. This is very true, especially in the rural areas. In a lot of smaller towns, it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that the only nonwhite people are the families who run the takeaways or restaurants. Ethnic minorities won't move into the area because why the hell would they (no jobs, poo poo wages), while affluent white retirees flock to the area to escape Plenty of Saeson around, though.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:24
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Crankit posted:they can be launched, but their targetting data has to be precomputed, so some company in the US has to do that for us if we want to fire it somewhere different to the current set of targets that can be used. Given that MoD training establishments can't even make local changes to their instructional PowerPoint presentations to correct typos, factual errors or outdated information because they're part of a 'package' procured from an external supplier on a ironclad contract which means that the MoD has to pay for every change they request, even if it's to correct errors on the part of the supplier, it doesn't really surprise me that they've got the same deal for Trident. It's probably the same company. "To request an update to the presentation which still shows the Type 42 destroyer as being in a active service, press 1...to request a new target coordinate set for Trident, press 2..."
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Jun 10, 2021 20:31
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Crankit posted:they can be launched, but their targetting data has to be precomputed, so some company in the US has to do that for us if we want to fire it somewhere different to the current set of targets that can be used. that's extremely dumb at this point the uk might as well do outright nuclear sharing and give the second launch key to a token american officer on the sub or something, there is no practical difference if you can't retarget your own nukes without asking the americans very nicely (chances are it's actually worse because the royal navy crew could just beat up the american and nick the key if the uk really wants to nuke some people). could probably also just rent or license build some american boomers to save money.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1402937343519113222
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Jun 10, 2021 20:49
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Surprised at Spain and Italy, that pool has subverted my expectations of both countries.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:59
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Can't we just put the chickens back in the nosecones of the nukes for targeting? As long as it's not chlorinated American chickens obviously.
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Jun 10, 2021 20:59
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Guavanaut posted:I couldn't really see it going any other way with our laws as they exist at the moment, you're allowed to believe in any stupid thing, even if it causes severe distress or alarm to a community (like with Holocaust denial), but there's limitations on what you can do about it. but literally none of that matter because all that is gonna happen is terfs are going to be emboldened because Forstater won her appeal and the media is still going to keep amplifying and platforming and treating it like their view point is pure truth
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Jun 10, 2021 21:06
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Does the BBC still have any good television ever since Doctor Who poo poo the bed in Series 12 two years ago?
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Jun 10, 2021 21:19
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do you think if terfs and transwomen actually met in real life rather than on twitter... this would all just sort of get sorted?Grouchio posted:Does the BBC still have any good television ever since Doctor Who poo poo the bed in Series 12 two years ago? homes under the hammer
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Jun 10, 2021 21:19
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Can't we just put the chickens back in the nosecones of the nukes for targeting? As long as it's not chlorinated American chickens obviously. Don't be silly, the chickens were to keep the nuclear bombs *warm*, not for targeting (targeting is surprisingly easy when you just bury the bombs somewhere you think the enemy is likely to go). Now both the Americans and British did play with the idea of guiding missiles and bombs with pigeons, and the Yanks went as far as a couple of test flights, but even though the system seemed to work (at least a shitload better than the best electronic guidance systems available in WW2) it was deemed just too silly for words.
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Jun 10, 2021 21:29
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NotJustANumber99 posted:homes under the hammer Unless you're an accelerationist (or that show has seriously changed and now is actually called "Landlord's heads under the hammer") that is not a good show.
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Jun 10, 2021 21:30
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Unless you're an accelerationist (or that show has seriously changed and now is actually called "Landlord's heads under the hammer") that is not a good show. no its loving awful. I havent watched daytime tv for a long time but the other one was a programme that followed literal bailiffs making them the stars of the show..... fucks sake
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Jun 10, 2021 21:52
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like i always suck air through my teeth and wade in on the side of the bbc in this thread but yeah... theyve, for decades, had the option to make programmes making heroes of bailiffs or protestors and which have they chosen?
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Jun 10, 2021 21:54
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NotJustANumber99 posted:do you think if terfs and transwomen actually met in real life rather than on twitter... this would all just sort of get sorted? I do wonder if the majority of the people in the press with 'valid concerns' would have the temerity to actually say anything in front of a trans person*, but trans abuse is certainly real enough to be a huge problem. * Or if it would be more like the many in-laws that go on about workshy scroungers stealing their taxes - not you obviously though, you've got circumstances. Not like those others though, hanging's too good for the wastes of space etc etc.
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Jun 10, 2021 21:58
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Sorry. Yes. I wasn't trying to downplay or belittle anything. I think I just read some of the tweets linked and its probably pretty otherwise nice little old ladies whining about being abused and silenced and actually if they just met with people and talked to them they'd quickly realise actually they have way more enemies in common and this is so.. i dunno counter productive. Again I apologise, I tend to try to stay out of these things as I'm the last person whose opinion on any of this matters.
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Jun 10, 2021 22:04
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When it's time to grift we will always grift hard, grift hard etc https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/10/dominic-cummings-promises-no-10-revelations-paid-for-newsletter-substack
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Jun 10, 2021 22:31
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For what it's worth I wasn't accusing you of downplaying, I was sort of half doing something else at the same time and my dog was being needy so it was a bit unfocused. I do wonder if a lot of the columnists propping up the gender critical mob would probably have very different opinions if they actually met a trans person and talked to them, and I don't mean on twitter. A lot of it is people who don't really know picking the side that seems more 'reasonable.' And to a lib brained columnist, their nice dinner party friends are all getting shitcanned by people who swear at them, again, on twitter.* Abby Thorne's latest video is good about this kind of ignorance. * Because you know, their basic human rights are being denied.
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Jun 10, 2021 22:36
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no worries bobby. your thread is rubbish though.
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Grouchio posted:Does the BBC still have any good television ever since Doctor Who poo poo the bed in Series 12 two years ago? cbbc/cbeebies has the best quality writing as far as i can tell, somehow some bbc4 documentaries are more infantile in their opinion of the audience
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NotJustANumber99 posted:do you think if terfs and transwomen actually met in real life rather than on twitter... this would all just sort of get sorted?
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Jun 10, 2021 23:52
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That nukemap thing is terrifying because I have been using the wrong definition of 'moderate' my entire life. 'Moderate' damage apparently means 'not vapourised', but the buildings are instead piles of flaming rubble. Lucky people die quickly when a building falls on them and unlucky people will die slowly from the 3rd degree burns they will sustain. This is moderate damage.
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Jun 10, 2021 23:55
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Lady Demelza posted:This is moderate damage. yes. brexit. Rumda posted:I can tell you from personal experience that this is a BIG no thats sad.
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Jun 10, 2021 23:59
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NotJustANumber99 posted:thats sad. i'm torn between hoping TERFs have trans kids so their brains melt down because their special wonderful baby overrides any sort of braindead ideology in their heads, and hoping they don't have trans kids because oh man it would suck for the kids
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Lady Demelza posted:That nukemap thing is terrifying because I have been using the wrong definition of 'moderate' my entire life. 'Moderate' damage apparently means 'not vapourised', but the buildings are instead piles of flaming rubble. Lucky people die quickly when a building falls on them and unlucky people will die slowly from the 3rd degree burns they will sustain. That's actually one weakness of Nukemap, because it only looks at overpressure and flash in a very simplistic way but in fairness, that's just about the only way of doing it without doing millions of calculations on a dataset that doesn't even exist (at least outside of bunkers under mountains in Wyoming). Flash is at least relatively consistent *if you're in the flash*, but obviously in a built-up area that's a matter of pure luck. Overpressure is much, much harder to simulate - buildings may deflect it, focus it, absorb it, or provide a load of shrapnel to really gently caress poo poo up for the next building along, and the effect will vary by the exact angle the wave hits the building at. A reinforced-concrete building can happily deflect a 5PSI shockwave if it hits at 45 degrees, but hit face-on it'll collapse. Except it might be the exact opposite - an LPS building will actually survive a face-on blast better than it will an angled one if it hits one of the structural sides. Similar things happen at lower pressure for brick-built or curtain-wall construction - just look at the effects of hurricanes or tornadoes in the US on balloon-frame buildings, which are even more fragile - some are completely untouched, others right next door and of identical construction will be obliterated, it depends on dozens of factors and sometimes even something as simple as a single missing roof tile *could* make the difference. So "moderate damage" runs the gamut from "completely flattened and on fire" to "broken windows and damaged roofs" *and those two things might be side by side*. Without a spare supercomputer and a complete account of the construction and level of repair of every building in the area you just can't tell beyond that.
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i just watched about 3 minutes of question time before having to turn it off. some woman on a webcam going on about how yes taking the knee is good but it's also bad because people are tired of it and it's getting booooooring and the point has been made already and it's too divisive lol
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Jun 11, 2021 00:32
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I genuinely think if fans hadn't been allowed back into stadiums at the end of the season they'd have stopped taking the knee for next season, but now I sort of feel like they've not got much choice but to keep it up because otherwise it looks like they're giving in to the fuckwits. Personally I think it's a pointless gesture that's now the race-relations version of the rainbow flag on a brand's twitter account - it's a box ticked to say "We have now done anti-racism, please continue to consume our product", but anything that annoys the kind of person who thinks singing No Surrender is just good bantz is something we need to do a lot more of. It won't happen but I'd loving love it if the England team would take up Sam Delaney's idea, that they move the taking the knee from kickoff to using it as a goal celebration, just to gently caress with fash brains.
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In my experience, the whole "bigots will surely stop being bigots if only they could just, you know, talk with whoever it is they're bigoted against" thing is wishful thinking, sadly - at least not when it's the kind of bigot that spends inordinate amount of time harrasing people online and irl, and for whom bigotry is an ingrained part of their personality and worldview. Like, folks can definitely reconsider their bigoted beliefs about groups of people after being exposed to them in person - I've seen this happen with quite a few of my fellow Eastern European migrants after they moved to the UK. It generally happens with what I'd call "social bigotry" - that is, Bad Opinions aquired through media or through peer pressure or through "common sense, simple as" kind of bullshit. In my experience, these "social bigots" tend to fairly seamlessly let go of most of these Bad Opinions after changing their peer group, or meeting the subjects of these Opinions in person and realising that it's just, you know, people. Bigotry's not a core part of their belief system and their worldview, and they are generally capable of educating themselves and changing, or at least, you know, not harrasing anyone online or at work. However, you also get the other kind of bigotry, where it does feel like it's an integral part of the person's worldview - it's almost like they're trying hard to latch onto these beliefs and justify them and protect them from any evidence to the contrary. Speaking again from experience with a few of my fellow Eastern Europeans - I used to know a couple of people like that, though their main thing was racism (homo-/trans-phobia and mysogyny too, but racism was the main course, so to speak). Me being quite young and naive at the time, I though they might reconsider if only I convince tham that Racism Is Bad, or at the very least if they live here for longer and meet all these people they're so prejudiced againtst. Nope. That's not what happens. What happens is, they will use anything, every little thing that someone their target group might do wrong, every single interaction (even the frendliest, most innoccent ones), every perceived slight - anything to try and convince you, and reassure themselves, that their target group is not human, not really. They will blow past all your explanations and evidence and appeals to humanity, because it's all unconvincing at best and "you know you agree with me, you're just virtue-signalling cause you're too weak to speak your mind" at worst. For this kind of bigot, nothing you say will make them reconsider who they count as a human being and who they don't. Putting them in a room with a representative of their target group will only further convince them that they are right about these people, regardless of how it goes. From what I've seen of them I suspect the vast majority of British terfdom is like this. So yeah, imo people who can reconsider their bigoted beliefs will generally do so on their own with lived experience/education/evidence. With terfs and other bigots of a similar power level, I think the only right approach is damage control and making sure they aren't in a position to spread their bullshit around nurmie fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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There have been studies done on the effects of exposure on bigoted beliefs. Things like, deliberately putting a load of Spanish speakers on the same bus as some American racists and reviewing their attitudes every few days. Turns out their bigotry increases at first, but after a couple weeks it does start to diminish. Obviously that's not going to hold true in every case, but for the more passive bigots, bigoted through ignorance rather than being devoted to a cause, it does work.
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Jun 11, 2021 01:33
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Conversions are betrayals; betrayals have a cost. Does truth pay a prospective convert all that would be lost?
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Jun 11, 2021 03:16
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Nelson residents fight to overturn Pendle Council tree plantation ANGRY residents in Nelson are bidding to overturn Pendle Council's decision to plant fruit trees on a nearby recreation ground.  quote:The plans have been vigorously opposed by 84 residents (as of 1 June), who have cited potential ‘cover for drug dealers’, ‘leaves clogging gutters’ and ‘feeling unsafe around so many trees’ as reasons to prevent the planting on Ringstone Crescent, Nelson from going ahead. i'd love to see a map correlating trees with criminal activity
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Jun 11, 2021 03:28
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It's hardly Sherwood forest they're making. Also, field with road access? You can market this whole tree idea pretty easily if you play on peoples fears. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Jun 11, 2021 03:41
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Azza Bamboo posted:It's hardly Sherwood forest they're making this is what kills me. and it’s all fruit tees for free picking
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"feel unsafe around so many trees" lmao
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