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Yeah it's kinda dumb, splits the discussion of already a fairly niche subject matter.
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fez_machine posted:The ADTRW VN thread is for Higurashi. Games is strictly Umineko. I don't even know why it's like that but it is. MegaZeroX posted:Maybe it's time for you to read another Ryuukishi07 work then points at Higurashi I tried starting and immediately felt pangs of nostalgia for rokkenjima. I think I need something in between for a breather. I can't decide between Kara no shoujo or 428. But the person posting about baldr sky kinda made me wanna try it
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Jun 9, 2021 22:32
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Yeah it's kinda dumb, splits the discussion of already a fairly niche subject matter. It's kind of funny when people don't realize they both exist tho
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Jun 9, 2021 22:35
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the thread split is pretty similar to the split of SukeraSparo and SukeraSomero
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Jun 9, 2021 22:41
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I admittedly started posting over in there sine that's where the relevant discussion started for this end, but I keep an eye on both anyway. But anyway, I had to leave off at a point and never got back to it (since I'm in need of catching up again by now), but Baldr Sky was interesting from what I'd played. The major complaints from where I'd got to were just that some repeated conversations across routes didn't add much and could've been skipped, and I wish that chapter jumping was a lot sooner unlocked so I could access ending stuff without tons of saves. The rest seemed interesting up to where I had got though.
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Jun 9, 2021 22:42
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Yeah it's kinda dumb, splits the discussion of already a fairly niche subject matter. Strictly speaking I guess this one's still restricted to only all-ages VNs while the ADTRW one just prohibits ero scene talk and getting weird about that stuff, though the lines are kind blurry these days with a lot of all-ages releases of R18 VNs and whatnot.
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Jun 9, 2021 22:55
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https://twitter.com/Theswweet/status/1402746249657290754
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Jun 9, 2021 23:19
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I would have expected some proportion of "average" gamers to have bounced off of room 1 and dragged down the score. But maybe if you've bought the game you're already likely to have some tolerance for VN-isms.
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Jun 10, 2021 06:52
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it's based on 7 reviews, all from random small-time and/or regional news sites. It'll be brought down eventually (even if the rest of the reviews are relatively glowing 9/10s), but it's funny to see it on top of the "best of all time" list for now.
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Jun 10, 2021 07:05
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Redmark posted:I would have expected some proportion of "average" gamers to have bounced off of room 1 and dragged down the score. But maybe if you've bought the game you're already likely to have some tolerance for VN-isms.  lol
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Jun 10, 2021 12:07
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fondly remembering the multiple years where the best game on metacritic was Out of the Park Baseball
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Jun 10, 2021 16:13
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I finished Worlds' End Club. It's a pretty short game I guess, I did absolutely everything and let a lot of the voice acting play out completely and my final clock is at 16:39 But hey, I loved it. It was a heartwarming game about friendship mixed in with some of those batshit Uchikoshi twists he's known for; definitely the sunniest game I've ever played about the world ending that's for sure. Go play it.
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Jun 10, 2021 21:27
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I don't understand. Yu No has done the impossible for the Genre, made an intro I actually like. Serious I wish I had started this sooner, the music is on point, the graphics are aesthetic as gently caress, and the MC is somehow in the top five of VN MC's after 30 minutes of game Already taking a turn This game is a lot more Hubworthy than I thought it would be Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Jun 11, 2021 00:45
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Also goddamn the Apple Arcade cutoff point for World's End Club was like...seriously an hour or two before the finished ending. That's def hosed.
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So I decided to give Baldr Sky a go, but it seems to not recognize my Xbox 360 controller at all, even when Steam does, and even while double checking StartUpTool.exe has the controller included. Has anyone else had this issue, and know how to fix it? Edit: It seems that when I disable the controller in the options, in settings it will explicitly remind me of that when I try to press a button on the controller. Edit 2: Forgot to update, but I solved it by turning my computer off and back on again 
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Jun 11, 2021 16:02
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And that’s a wrap for Umineko episode 3. (Except the tea party, but I’m going to catch my breath after the finale.) I think I love this series now?? Basic logical techniques presented like shonen power-ups? Hell yes. And it helps that this episode was low on Maria, and actually spent some time developing the adults. Plus I really liked the contrast between Eva-Beatrice’s intentionally grating edgy sadism vs Meta-Beatrice’s more deep-seated, authentic malice. And the implication that constructing such an explicitly unsolvable final murder isn't just unfair, it's not fun and therefore not witch-like. Usual wall of CIA memos incoming: - I love/hate how the first scenario was specifically constructed to gently caress with all my theories, and the game rubbed my face in it. I’m pretty sure the wording of the red text confirming 18 people means it only applies to this chapter, but killing off the servants is a dick - As if that weren’t enough, the game goes and crushes the obvious Human Beatrice is Kinzo’s illegitimate daughter theory… or does it? I’m guessing the Beatrice who Rosa met was indeed Beatrice Prime’s daughter, and Kinzo transferred his affections to her (ew), but the 19 year gap after her death by cliff gives just enough time for another Beatrice to come along and mess around with the second game. Maybe Kyrie’s lost child??? don’t ask me why they look the same though, or what Human Beatrice is doing when she isn't on the island - Re: the culprit, the game seems to pretty unambiguously pin all the killings on Eva but something feels off about how decisively they present it, especially given the Golden Land upset. I can buy that Eva-Beatrice really is just her repressed selfish and sadistic side, and that she felt threatened enough by Rosa to kill her and Maria (although Rosa might have killed Maria like Battler theorised) but I just can’t see the Eva we know killing Hideyoshi, let alone George. At the very least, I think Kyrie/Rudolf killed Hideyoshi after luring him out and Eva killed them in retaliation. Plus she’s so comprehensively excluded from the impossible final murder we have to infer another killer running around, so that person might have killed George. - Speaking of Kyrie, her whole ”18 years of envy” thing was very unsettling and has definitely bumped her up the suspicion rankings. Her death isn’t confirmed by red text until after Nanjo’s death, so she’s my preferred suspect for George and Nanjo. There seems to be a pattern of exploring the female adults one at a time per chapter, as we’ve spent time with Natsuhi, Rosa and now Eva, so if the pattern holds it’ll be interesting to see inside Kyrie’s head. - yes I transcribed all the red text shut up - Guess we’re going all in on Dante huh? Virgilia is Kumasawa in some sense, so it seems pretty likely she knows more than she’s letting on about the secret mansion. (And that in turn explains why she's still around despite being a second-rate servant - Kinzo can't risk her leaving and spilling the beans.) And it strengthens my theory about Ronove being a meta-representation of Genji. - I guessed that the everyone living happily ever after thing was going to get horribly upended, but the sudden return of Beatrice's creepy face still made me flinch. She's such a great villain, even if mocking me for getting taken in by the redemption arc is mean  I like how the conflict has evolved from "find the human truth vs give in to the witch" to "find a way to discover the human truth AND validate Beatrice as a meta-person without accepting that witches are real."- The mystery girl right at the end has red hair, the eagle crest, and used Battler’s catchphrase, so I’m guessing she’s either Battler’s half-sister (who he very noticeably started thinking about just before that) or some kind of alternate universe female Battler, possibly linked (again) to Kyrie and Asumu’s simultaneous pregnancies? I just hope time travel isn’t involved, this is complicated enough as it is… e: well, now I feel silly. of course it's his sister. Interesting to see them actually playing out the "only Eva survives" thing to its logical conclusion of her dying rich, paranoid and alone. now to go figure out what the gently caress is going on with the meta-world Gato fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Umineko comment sorta related to the post above, but do not read if you haven't finished the game (this includes Gato, do not read this Gato): I'm actually always a little surprised/confused at people who read Episode 3 as just Beatrice owning Battler. I was actually pretty slow to figure most Umineko things out (I wasn't even clear on the Shannon/Kanon situation until the end of EP6 when it's made all-but-explicit, for example, and even then had zero clue as to the "why"), but even I initially read the end of Episode 3 as "Beatrice's real goal isn't to convince Battler she's a witch, but she's still somewhat regretful about throwing away the friendly dynamic they've had." I mean, isn't that directly implied by her fully convincing Battler she's a witch and then deliberately revealing the deception to prevent him from "signing"? Her sprite even makes it clear that it isn't easy and she isn't just gloating*. It's even weirder when people have this opinion after finishing the entire game, given this part in Episode 4 that directly reveals her perspective on the situation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIFcAK6Krw&t=1650s My best guess is that some people get really invested in the dynamic of Beatrice being an antagonist/rival to Battler (and this is also why some people dislike everything after Episode 4). * see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH73teIkK28&t=11714s
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i was watching the gaming streams earlier and said gently caress you outloud at ddlc+
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Gato posted:this is complicated enough as it is… Hahaha, speaking from the midst of episode 6, Umineko is never going to stop getting more complicated Bonus: here's a video that I haven't watched for fear of spoilers talking about what makes Uminkeo a game, even though it has no directly interactive elements. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ1TT3tmJmo
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Snooze Cruise posted:i was watching the gaming streams earlier and said gently caress you outloud at ddlc+
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Jun 12, 2021 02:10
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that isn't the part i am saying gently caress you at
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I'm confused, then.
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Jun 12, 2021 02:12
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DDLC.....FTL
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im mentioning it both in here and the other VN thread, but I'm starting up an LP for a pair of VNs that are basically a budget Canadian Zero Escape knockoff  posting the link here in case anyone is interestedhttps://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3970511
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Folks I'm going to complain about something that I am dealing with in umineko chapter 2 having read through to chapter 4 once. I just can't handle this kind of uncertainty. I've figured out a bunch of locked rooms including the fourth of chapter 2. But: We're told not to believe things that battler isn't around to witness basically, later on. That includes Rosa having a letter and also maria being given a letter. Here's the thing, of course I don't believe that maria received a letter from a witch. But we never receive the information that rosa recieves the letter again from a trust worthy source, just that Maria had a letter with the chapel key. However, the letter that Rosa was given to read at dinner, does appear again. Battler finds it after the locked room is open on the dinner table full of candy. This obviously incriminates Rosa, because it means she should have placed the letter there inside the locked room prior to battler finding it for some ridiculous reason. So we're told not to trust things that battler isn't around for, but we also rely on that information to help tie rosa to the crime scene... That's a little frustrating. Obviously Rosa is the best candidate for an accomplice, being the person receiving a letter with maria, and knowing the chapel key was inside maria's letter. And supposed to be in discussions with the rest of the family but wasn't killed and has no excuse for not being killed. But its such a dumb easy solution that it feels bad to call.
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Also, if no one is left alive, should I be coming up with a theory for the four that go to the golden land
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your making an assumption that anything battler isn't around to see is false. this is erroneous as assuming everything should be taken at face value. I will give you one hint. every scene exists for a reason.
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Gaius Marius posted:your making an assumption that anything battler isn't around to see is false. this is erroneous as assuming everything should be taken at face value. Thanks I guess this helps me not second guess EVERYTHING. I also have a good issue I have with the red text: "The envelope I handed to maria and the one rosa opened are the same thing!!" Obviously I guess its fine that Beatrice talks about herself with the I pronoun even if witches don't exist, but including the verb handed in the red text makes me feel as if Rosa in red received an envelope from someone else - not forge it herself. I think that's sloppy. But of course, beatrice is trying to place the event in plain English, as battler and the reader just saw it, and that isn't the point of this red text. Toalpaz fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jun 13, 2021 |
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Umineko Late Episode 6 Speculation: Kannon and Shannon have to be the same person, right? That's the only way any of this imagery works. If that's true, then maybe he/she is actually the culprit.
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Man they really meant it when they said Steins Gate was based on Yu No, the intro's are incredibly similar. And much like SG it's one of the few VN's that starts off with a bang. Just about out of the Intro and I really like it so far, It's very Snatcher, unabashedly horny and all.
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The author behind Yu-No is sort of notorious for how drat horny he is. He's too horny for his own good, and I have a fair amount of tolerance for that. No spoilers, but that game gets... questionable later on.
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Jun 15, 2021 02:48
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The anime was pretty bad for that too. Maybe it got better, I dropped it pretty fast even though I enjoyed Yu-No
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Scarlet Hollow is really good, but it's gonna take ages for the entire game to be out.
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I enjoyed the first chapter prologue but I have no interest in playing the rest piece by piece and getting frustrated waiting and forgetting what was happening previously. I already own it but I don't want to play it until it's done unless there's some exciting internal reason that we need to do each episode separately.
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hey guys, a year ago at the beginning of the pandemic I got pretty into VNs, but since then haven't really played them. That's because I couldn't really find stuff to my taste. The 3 that I played that I really liked were AI, Raging Loop, and (my favorite by far) 428 shibuya scramble. They all kind of share a multiple timelines and sense of humor that I really like. They also have a lot of funny fail states. Is there other stuff that fits that niche? Pretty much anything with like a "timeline viewer" screen would work I think. I think it's the "choice" that I like, even if it's mostly an illusion and leads to a bad end. Thanks for the recs.
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Jun 16, 2021 14:23
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You could do worse than going back to the AI writer's earlier games, 999, Virtues Last Reward and Zero Time Dilemma. They're up on most platforms as The Nonary Games iirc though that might just be the first two.
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Virtue’s last reward fits that bill, and the one before it in the series, 999, is good too. It’s by the guy who did AI E:fb also, the nonary games is only the first two, but that’s ok, I’d struggle to describe the third one as anything other than bad.
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The Zero Escape series fits all of your things, I think? The humor has made me laugh out loud, it has a timeline structure, and many of quick fail states. Fate/Stay Night has a dozens of failure states, and so does Remember 11. I don't really remember finding any particularly funny though. Clannad doesn't have much for fail states, but IIRC has comedy with the romance that I ended up liking. It also has a bit of a convoluted route structure, with lots of choices, so there is that.
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gegi posted:I enjoyed the first chapter prologue but I have no interest in playing the rest piece by piece and getting frustrated waiting and forgetting what was happening previously. I already own it but I don't want to play it until it's done unless there's some exciting internal reason that we need to do each episode separately. Entirely understandable. Still, it's good for a small team.
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Mirello posted:hey guys, a year ago at the beginning of the pandemic I got pretty into VNs, but since then haven't really played them. That's because I couldn't really find stuff to my taste. The 3 that I played that I really liked were AI, Raging Loop, and (my favorite by far) 428 shibuya scramble. They all kind of share a multiple timelines and sense of humor that I really like. They also have a lot of funny fail states. Is there other stuff that fits that niche? Pretty much anything with like a "timeline viewer" screen would work I think. I'll add Stein's Gate if you haven't played that. On a different track, spoilers for Umineko 7: They really brush over the incest, don't they? It's very casually treated. Obviously talking about cat boxes is far more important
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