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pleease use this changeup to form unions
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ptt becomes important when you have more than a small number of people in a call who actually speak on a regular basis. that’s very common in games but in business meetings if you have 40 people in a call it’s one person presenting and 39 people muted. if you have ten people it’s probably three people having a conversation and seven vaguely pretending to pay attention.
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Jun 14, 2021 01:14
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stop having 40 person meetings
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Jun 14, 2021 03:42
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jesus WEP posted:teams lacking basic poo poo like push to talk is some serious lol Every consumer desktop mic should be this $30 Logitech thing I had fifteen years ago. It had a light-up 'Live/Muted' button on it. It was dead simple to instantly see your mutes status (the big round lit-up button), and it was easy as poo poo to use, being the only button, and big and smooth for 'oldes pleasure'. 
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Jun 14, 2021 14:16
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Steelseries does that with their retractable mic, but mute is lit and hot is off 
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Jun 14, 2021 14:44
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the headset work gave me for quarantine would shout "mute on" and "mute off" while muting the actual output every time you press the mute button on it. it also has an indicator light so maybe its just the worlds shittiest implementation of accessibility features
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Jun 14, 2021 16:31
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Jenny Agutter posted:the headset work gave me for quarantine would shout "mute on" and "mute off" while muting the actual output every time you press the mute button on it. it also has an indicator light so maybe its just the worlds shittiest implementation of accessibility features
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Jun 14, 2021 17:40
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yeah i ended up doing that on my personal computer because ofc we're not allowed to install the management software on work computers. at least its smart enough to save the configuration on board.
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Jun 14, 2021 17:50
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Remember that Windows 10X SKU that was gonna fail on its own? What if we made that the next version of Windows I hope it's more than just a rebadge of 10X but it is the Windows team so who knows  .
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Jun 15, 2021 18:27
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since The Verge stole them off a Baidu forum post we might as well post them here 
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Jun 15, 2021 18:31
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haha, the start menu is not only not in the bottom-left anymore but it's also not quite at the edge of the screen so you have to actually position the mouse to use it just like you did in like windows 95
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Jun 15, 2021 19:04
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lamo icons in the centre jfc
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Jun 15, 2021 19:07
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rjmccall posted:haha, the start menu is not only not in the bottom-left anymore but it's also not quite at the edge of the screen so you have to actually position the mouse to use it just like you did in like windows 95 did Windows 95 not do Fitt's Law for the entire bottom left corner? when did the actual button start extending beyond the image of the button?
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Jun 15, 2021 19:11
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i can't find a whole lot talking about it but yeah, iirc in windows 95 the start button was just a normal button widget placed as close as possible to the bottom-left corner, so it had a border which wasn't clickable. windows 98/me was visually the same thing but they hacked it so that the border also worked. vista had the weird circular icon but iirc the whole region actually counted, i dunno, i never used it much. i think xp was the first release to make the button visually go off the edge of the screen
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Jun 15, 2021 19:28
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can't wait for them to once again do the software equivalent of laying new tiles on top of the old ones and create a whole new set of ultra modern slick UIs that bring you back to the current windows 10 ones when you click "advanced options"
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Jun 15, 2021 19:49
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pseudorandom name posted:since The Verge stole them off a Baidu forum post we might as well post them here awful
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Jun 15, 2021 19:56
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i guess this will mean yet another layer of completely different looking control panel windows randomly jumbled in with everything else including things that look like they've been unchanged since windows 95 i thought they weren't doing new windows versions any more? that windows 10 was the last one and they were just going to keep updating gradually?
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Jun 15, 2021 19:56
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windows 10 being "the last windows" was never really stated in any official way, it was all based on an offhand comment by some guy. i also don't really expect this to be much other than 21h2, likely a marketing move to quell any impression that microsoft has generally moved on from windows (plus generally to drum up some coverage).
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Jun 15, 2021 19:59
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rjmccall posted:i can't find a whole lot talking about it but yeah, iirc in windows 95 the start button was just a normal button widget placed as close as possible to the bottom-left corner, so it had a border which wasn't clickable. windows 98/me was visually the same thing but they hacked it so that the border also worked. vista had the weird circular icon but iirc the whole region actually counted, i dunno, i never used it much. i think xp was the first release to make the button visually go off the edge of the screen i think they fixed that as early as sp1, but of course those were still the days where most people would never install any updates. it was a strange oversight to make in the first place with how much time they spent on user testing and ui research and such for 95.
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Jun 15, 2021 20:06
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Lol @ stealing the centered mac dock but not understanding it at all
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Jun 15, 2021 20:12
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it's the loving worst it feels like the only reason they're doing it is to distract from the fact that otherwise it's just a bland windows 10
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Jun 15, 2021 20:14
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i also don't really expect this to be much other than 21h2, likely a marketing move to quell any impression that microsoft has generally moved on from windows (plus generally to drum up some coverage). yeah that's what it looks like to me calling this a "new" version might also let them squeeze out more money with licensing changes or some poo poo
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Jun 15, 2021 20:24
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Last Chance posted:Lol @ stealing the centered mac dock but not understanding it at all not understanding that its a terrible design
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Jun 15, 2021 21:15
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Shaggar posted:not understanding that its a terrible design
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Jun 15, 2021 21:27
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Last Chance posted:Lol @ stealing the centered mac dock but not understanding it at all don't worry, they couldn't even commit to that 
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Jun 15, 2021 21:31
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that poo poo sucks too. the grid of icons with way too much spacing is the worst design failure in history
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Jun 15, 2021 21:54
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bring back the drat windows 7 start menu. that was great
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Jun 15, 2021 21:55
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did they consolidate all the settings into one place yet? it's been 9 years since Metro was first excreted
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Jun 15, 2021 21:58
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Perplx posted:did they consolidate all the settings into one place yet? Of course not https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-11/251968/windows-11-a-few-more-observations posted:Oh, (in)consistency. Window enthusiasts have been looking for a more consistent UI for years. But the new look/feel in Windows 11, at least in this build, only extends to the Windows 10 UIs. So the other stuff—Control Panel, MMC, etc.—still looks old-fashioned and inconsistent. But the problem is not just that legacy UIs that most people will never see have been untouched: Some common UIs are still inconsistent. For example, when you use File Explorer in Dark mode and then open the Folder Options window, it appears in bright white. This is the kind of thing that drives people like me nuts.
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Jun 15, 2021 22:02
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Perplx posted:Of course not that is true and also a pointless observation, windows betas have always been released with a mix of graphical elements as they're developed. it's just that in windows 8 and later they went final without ever finishing them
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Jun 15, 2021 22:18
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pseudorandom name posted:don't worry, they couldn't even commit to that have they given up on the stupid app tiles thing? all that poo poo in the start menu was always terrible so at least that's an improvement
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Jun 15, 2021 23:09
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Perplx posted:Of course not wow i forgot about paul thurrott lol
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Jun 15, 2021 23:16
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who?
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Jun 15, 2021 23:17
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they're really pushing winUI and trying to do project reunion to try and get devs use it in every type of app since they went "oopsie actually no one wants to have all UWP apps" with the original winrt stuff afaik so now you just have that shitshow mix of ui kits even in their own apps
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Jun 15, 2021 23:19
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https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1404927889196339207
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Jun 15, 2021 23:50
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can't wait for all the best windows apps (irfanview, mpc, notepad++) to completely ignore this and continue to look identical to how they looked on windows 2000
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Shala posted:they're really pushing winUI and trying to do project reunion to try and get devs use it in every type of app since they went "oopsie actually no one wants to have all UWP apps" with the original winrt stuff afaik I guess I still wouldn't rule out some version of winforms somehow winning by default.
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Jun 16, 2021 00:31
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mystes posted:They're just adding ui frameworks on top of ui frameworks at this point and confusing people even more. .NET 6 will at least attempt to resolve a bit of this from the developer side with MAUI: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-multi-platform-app-ui/ Result: now there’s 15 competing standards!
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For real though, I think .NET Core/now just .NET 5+ is actually good and MAUI has a good chance of settling in as the long-term default choice for when you want to write a .NET app with a GUI.
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ThePeavstenator posted:For real though, I think .NET Core/now just .NET 5+ is actually good and MAUI has a good chance of settling in as the long-term default choice for when you want to write a C# app with a GUI. the MAUI team has, I believe, 9 people full-time working on the platform. right now, I'm working on getting porting our XAML Hot Reload stack over from Xamarin.Forms to MAUI, and myself and a few others on my team are going to be moonlighting to help get more design tools working in the platform itself because otherwise, they won't get it done. i think their idea is cool and I want it to succeed, but... yeah, it's rough.
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