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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Yeah, same. Noone will care, nothing will happen. Lol. Close thread, turn off computer, walk away

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
Maybe I'm having a pessimistic day but afaict our options are:

1. Nothing changes till climate catastrophe kills us all

2. People actually develop solidarity and violently resist to the point that the state as we know it is overthrown and we can do cool things in our new people's republic

Neither are very fun processes but we're a nation of selfish coward dumbasses and 1 is the default, so maybe move to high ground and learn to croft, lol

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

ThomasPaine posted:

Maybe I'm having a pessimistic day but afaict our options are:

1. Nothing changes till climate catastrophe kills us all

2. People actually develop solidarity and violently resist to the point that the state as we know it is overthrown and we can do cool things in our new people's republic

Neither are very fun processes but we're a nation of selfish coward dumbasses and 1 is the default, so maybe move to high ground and learn to croft, lol

Number 2 wont happen until number 1 kills a decent chunk of people.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

keep punching joe posted:

Number 2 wont happen until number 1 kills a decent chunk of people.

Here's hoping the climate holdouts/capitalists are somehow inherently more susceptible to dying off, seems improbable tho

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Failed Imagineer posted:

Here's hoping the climate holdouts/capitalists are somehow inherently more susceptible to dying off, seems improbable tho

The capitalists will survive the heatwaves/floods.

They won't survive the mob.

Hobo
Dec 12, 2007

Forum bum

Gort posted:

I'm no statistician but I don't think you should be looking at individual days. If I remember right, weekends always saw depressed numbers comparatively, so the 7 day average is a much more reliable number to follow.

This is absolutely true and it's odd that discussions around this are being based on random day-to-day comparisons.

Btw, if you want a good information source on covid stats, the GOV.UK website is excellent, and includes all sorts of regional data, including a map where you can zoom down to individual wards: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

You can also check the vaccination rates for your local authority.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ThomasPaine posted:

Neither are very fun processes but we're a nation of selfish coward dumbasses and 1 is the default, so maybe move to high ground and learn to croft, lol
The one thing that people always forget when prepping is people.

You can have all your food sources and your high ground and your solar generators and buggery bags and so on, but what you really need to get things going is at least 20 people and a common plan.

Also some way to avoid that plan Jim Jonesing itself.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:

buggery bags and so on,

The apocalypse is starting to sound good

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Guns and hot rods. That's what you need.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Guavanaut posted:

The one thing that people always forget when prepping is people.

You can have all your food sources and your high ground and your solar generators and buggery bags and so on, but what you really need to get things going is at least 20 people and a common plan.

Also some way to avoid that plan Jim Jonesing itself.

Preppers mostly prep for a single event, and often would not do well in any other type of apocalypse.

They also seem to think that humanity will act like people in films, where it's everyone for themselves, rather than what normally happens in disasters, and people work together.

So in an actual doomsday event, it'll be them running off to their bunkers, then the local township raiding them for food a couple of weeks later after their mains water breaks.

ThomasPaine posted:

1. Nothing changes till climate catastrophe kills us all

Optimist mode - we're too adaptable a species to be completely wiped out. Millions, probably billions will die, but humanity will continue on.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Can anyone recommend a good online coffee seller? It's for my parents and they're looking to buy roasted beans. Ta

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Tarnop posted:

Can anyone recommend a good online coffee seller? It's for my parents and they're looking to buy roasted beans. Ta

https://www.deargreencoffee.com/collections/coffee-beans

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Guavanaut posted:

The one thing that people always forget when prepping is people.

You can have all your food sources and your high ground and your solar generators and buggery bags and so on, but what you really need to get things going is at least 20 people and a common plan.

Also some way to avoid that plan Jim Jonesing itself.

There's a really enjoyable book I read called The Knowledge which goes into this. Despite sounding like a manual for learning the streets of London, it's instead a manual for how to rebuild society after a catastrophe, and one of the first things it does is lay out that your best chance of long-term survival is getting out of the cities and into some place where a village sized group of you can gather/grow food to sustain yourselves, and makes the point that going it alone is pretty much a death sentence unless you're literally the Last Man on Earth, in which case you should just lock yourself in a supermarket; because you'll die of old age before you run out of food and liquids.

The whole book is like a prep manual for non-sociopaths, and a really interesting thought experiment on how a post-apocalyptic society would actually look. Turns out there's a lot more soap than you'd think.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Tarnop posted:

Can anyone recommend a good online coffee seller? It's for my parents and they're looking to buy roasted beans. Ta

I've got a weekly subscription with Hasbean and it's always been good and very reasonably priced

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Grey Hunter posted:

Preppers mostly prep for a single event, and often would not do well in any other type of apocalypse.

They also seem to think that humanity will act like people in films, where it's everyone for themselves, rather than what normally happens in disasters, and people work together.

So in an actual doomsday event, it'll be them running off to their bunkers, then the local township raiding them for food a couple of weeks later after their mains water breaks.

Optimist mode - we're too adaptable a species to be completely wiped out. Millions, probably billions will die, but humanity will continue on.

IIRC, stories of Argentina's social collapse pretty much bear that out. The doomsday preppers were the first to go. Even the most helpless people in cities are the first to run to their neighbours to ask what the gently caress to do, and people generally want to keep the status quo or some semblance of it going first and foremost.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Yeah if you have a local WhatsApp group for your road and people who will lend you a ladder or a flashlight when the power goes out, you're already better prepped than some bunker rear end in a top hat. Grow veggies and keep chickens if you can, and look into water reclamation and renewable power

Also keep your flensing knives honed and maintain a spreadsheet of which neighborhood kids would yield the most lean meat

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pff, flensing knives, everyone knows they're better skin on.

Grey Hunter
Oct 17, 2007

Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Ghost Leviathan posted:

IIRC, stories of Argentina's social collapse pretty much bear that out. The doomsday preppers were the first to go. Even the most helpless people in cities are the first to run to their neighbours to ask what the gently caress to do, and people generally want to keep the status quo or some semblance of it going first and foremost.

It's also odd that preppers tend to be very vocal about what they are doing, so everyone knows where the huge food stores are.

Hell, the number of people showing TV crews around their super secret bunkers was enough to cover several series.....

Xemloth
Mar 27, 2011

Wait, what?



Tarnop posted:

Can anyone recommend a good online coffee seller? It's for my parents and they're looking to buy roasted beans. Ta

I don't know how it compares price wise but I've been raving about modern standard coffee for months, their Finca San Antonio is the nicest coffee I've ever had

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Because the real thing they thirst for is the moment of exquisite power where they can decide who lives and who dies, and as the apocalypse keeps on not happening the way they want, going on TV and bragging about all the poo poo they own is the closest they can come.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Jennifer Saunders is saying Ab Fab would not get made today because of wokness. I don't know if its the old rose tinted spectacles but I don't remember anything that bad about it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

bessantj posted:

Jennifer Saunders is saying Ab Fab would not get made today because of wokness. I don't know if its the old rose tinted spectacles but I don't remember anything that bad about it.

Apparently she didn't say it.

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic

Fun Shoe

bessantj posted:

Jennifer Saunders is saying Ab Fab would not get made today because of wokness. I don't know if its the old rose tinted spectacles but I don't remember anything that bad about it.

I got a clip of talk radio advertised to me on youtube earlier where an ex-NHS consultant was complaining that the global response to the pandemic was irrational woke hysteria.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Am enjoying the euphemism BBC used for "marched shouting death to muslims in a palestinian neighbourhood":

BBC posted:

At Tuesday's event, hundreds of mostly young, nationalist Israelis danced, sang and waved Israeli flags in front of the Old City's Damascus Gate, the main entrance to the Muslim Quarter.

Very much in the vein of "hundreds of mostly unionist northern irishmen danced, sang and waved unionist flags in a nationalist neighbourhood".

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jun 16, 2021

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Jedit posted:

Apparently she didn't say it.

Good if true.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Reveilled posted:

There's a really enjoyable book I read called The Knowledge which goes into this.
That does look really interesting, thanks! :)

Reveilled posted:

The whole book is like a prep manual for non-sociopaths, and a really interesting thought experiment on how a post-apocalyptic society would actually look. Turns out there's a lot more soap than you'd think.
Everyone from Jesus (or at least the people who liked to write about Jesus) to Peter Kropotkin figured out that as long people aren't killing one another and are making sure everyone has a minimum level of bread and clothing, the rest tends to fall into place, given a certain number of people.

Looking at everything from intentional communities to fugitive slave groups to the pre-drainage Fenlands to 'wild' Irish families in West Ulster, I figure ~20ish is the bare minimum where you have enough labor surplus to do things like dig irrigation ditches and make permanent structures and have people making soap and bread and stuff without risking collapsing the fundamentals, so you're no longer just surviving, and 50-100 is about the point where the proto-society can start seriously investing that surplus into structural improvements.

If you're not careful though eventually you reach the point where you produce Thatcherites who deny that that's how anything happens.

OwlFancier posted:

Because the real thing they thirst for is the moment of exquisite power where they can decide who lives and who dies, and as the apocalypse keeps on not happening the way they want, going on TV and bragging about all the poo poo they own is the closest they can come.
That and it's virtue signalling for the people who believe that having a ton of guns and rejecting society is a virtue, rather than something that they actually seriously want to happen.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

The article just seems to talk about how these days people are more socially aware and so they'd probably talk themselves out of edgy jokes more easily. Obviously that's been cuntified into WOKE LEFT CANCEL JOKES

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Private Speech posted:

Am enjoying the euphemism BBC used for "marched shouting death to muslims in a palestinian neighbourhood":

Very much in the vein of "hundreds of mostly unionist northern irishmen danced, sang and waved unionist flags in a nationalist neighbourhood".

This is where you need people filming this and posting it to youtube and twitter. The media will just report what Hamas are doing.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Jedit posted:

Apparently she didn't say it.

It's made up, or as more and more people are calling it, fake news.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Tesseraction posted:

The article just seems to talk about how these days people are more socially aware and so they'd probably talk themselves out of edgy jokes more easily. Obviously that's been cuntified into WOKE LEFT CANCEL JOKES
Are they not aware that half of the internet that isn't porn is edgy jokes?

The entire Karen meme poked fun at the habits of middle-class suburban wine moms about the same as Ab Fab did, the only difference is that it's a collective of mostly retail workers and Black Twitter zoomers doing it rather than a studio and an approved writing process and oh there it is.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Latest look into the flaming shitpile that is Serenity Integrated Mentoring (cw: suicidality, self harm, abuse, the state of the UK mental heath services).

I know we've talked about all services being cut and replaced with the police before, but this is such a ridiculous, terrible, and blatant example.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Thanks for the coffee recommendations, much appreciated!

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Guavanaut posted:

Latest look into the flaming shitpile that is Serenity Integrated Mentoring (cw: suicidality, self harm, abuse, the state of the UK mental heath services).

I know we've talked about all services being cut and replaced with the police before, but this is such a ridiculous, terrible, and blatant example.

It’s absolutely grotesque.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I think out of all the awful things described in there the bit that really just made me go :brexit: was

quote:

In a rapid turn of events, the company behind the scheme, the High Intensity Network, went to ground, removing its website, leaving patients, staff and campaigners in confusion about the future of the scheme. Its social media presence had already been wiped.

Small private companies can do that. They probably shouldn't, but they can. And that's why you should never let them manage vulnerable people or run prisons etc.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Big cat food recall. Let your cat-owning friends know:

https://twitter.com/holly/status/1405160932779700226?s=20

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

WhatEvil posted:

Big cat food recall. Let your cat-owning friends know:

https://twitter.com/holly/status/1405160932779700226?s=20

Did it get contaminated with rat poison or something?

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Guavanaut posted:

Latest look into the flaming shitpile that is Serenity Integrated Mentoring (cw: suicidality, self harm, abuse, the state of the UK mental heath services).

I know we've talked about all services being cut and replaced with the police before, but this is such a ridiculous, terrible, and blatant example.

That's disgusting.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

OwlFancier posted:

Because the real thing they thirst for is the moment of exquisite power where they can decide who lives and who dies, and as the apocalypse keeps on not happening the way they want, going on TV and bragging about all the poo poo they own is the closest they can come.

this kinda happened in miniature with the pandemic. The covid threads got real bad and it was always the same people in all the different threads. Always work from home computer touchers that were basically enjoying their new world. Do a bit of work, play games, pet catte. Their life was good and they wanted everyone to know it while also telling everyone how the world was ending. I assume they think they'd wait out the apocalypse from their house. I don't know what happens when deliveroo stops answering the phone.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

WhatEvil posted:

Big cat food recall. Let your cat-owning friends know:

https://twitter.com/holly/status/1405160932779700226?s=20

This is the one thing we didn't want to happen

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Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

My medical latin is rusty as a canal bike, but doesn't pancytopenia mean something like 'all of the blood in your cat is severely hosed?' That sounds bad. Stay safe catgirls.

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