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Biggus Duckus posted:Whatever you can find in your size Reordered it slightly.
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I don't know what you're looking for exactly, but there are some extreme geometry differences between those bikes. The Midnight Special is rather aggressive, the Vaya is the most upright gravel bike I have ever seen.
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Jun 16, 2021 07:38
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TobinHatesYou posted:The point is we don't really know if the bike's too small or if the fitter is bad. Could have 35inch inseam and really long arms as well? But yes I do have questions about it if thats not the case.
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Jun 16, 2021 12:40
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I am also very  at this side-by-side.
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Jun 16, 2021 14:01
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Just slam a -17 120mm stem on there and you can have one of those “it works for me…” Reddit fits
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Jun 16, 2021 14:07
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Just slam a -17 120mm stem on there and you can have one of those “it works for me…” Reddit fits This comedy stem is my go to solution to I’m 5ft 5 with a 33” inseam LOL (oh god help me no bike will ever fit me off the rack) 
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Jun 16, 2021 14:12
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learnincurve posted:looks to me like the new post extends the top tube length Any frame with a seat tube slacker than 90 increase your reach to the bars as you raise the seat, but that doesn't change ETT. quote:so his problem was that the whole bike was a size or two too small aj said that he couldn't raise the old post as high before it felt like his feet couldn't reach the pedals. This implies that 1) he could raise it higher physically, just not comfortably 2) if he could raise it as high as the new post, then something else was throwing his fit off Let's say the bb-saddle distance along the seat tube is 31", going by tobin's estimated inseam length. Having a 1" offset only increases the effective bb-saddle distance by 0.1" -- it shouldn't affect that required leg distance much. serious gaylord posted:Could have 35inch inseam and really long arms as well? If long arms, should have more reach to the bars. This would be if aj were super flexible and normal arms or short torso.
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Jun 16, 2021 14:21
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Okay this is lot of questions but I'll just say The person I saw worked at the shop as their dedicated fitter (I think he also fixed bikes when there was not a fit appointment) and has done it a long time I'm 6'1" and I have pretty long legs and arms. Reaching the pedals and handlebars is not an issue on this new fit. Maybe my bike is undersized a bit. It's a 55. I never raised the previous saddle above 29" but I am just speculating based on how that felt that 31" would have been a bit awkward. But I can't say anything definitively. Most importantly this new fit reduced a lot of pressure on my junk. I'll report back once I take it for a ride. actionjackson fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Jun 16, 2021 14:51
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I feel like the answer to this whole saga is 'rider is of non-typical proportions to some degree' which would explain the internet advice not working, the off the peg sizing not being appropriate and the new setup looking a bit weird to everyone. If it feels ok to ride then I don't think anyone can really fault it.
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Jun 16, 2021 15:04
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I’d be surprised if the fitter didn’t mention a 6’1” man on a 55 frame as being generally not correct though.
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Jun 16, 2021 15:08
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:I’d be surprised if the fitter didn’t mention a 6’1” man on a 55 frame as being generally not correct though. 6’1” with a “just under 33 inch” inseam is like the very edge of acceptable for a 56 frame according to cannondale (a 58 is also acceptable according to them). trek suggests a 58. So it’s likely he’s big for a 55. Given the pics of the fit with the saddle way high in the air I’d say he’s clearly at the very edge of being too tall for the frame. If the aggressive angle is a problem he should consider a 35° or 45° stem to pop his handlebars up a bit and reduce the torso angle. (or buy a bigger bike)
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Jun 16, 2021 15:26
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Vando posted:I feel like the answer to this whole saga is 'rider is of non-typical proportions to some degree' which would explain the internet advice not working, the off the peg sizing not being appropriate and the new setup looking a bit weird to everyone. If it feels ok to ride then I don't think anyone can really fault it. yes, thank you! the fitter did mention the stem could be increased a tad in height if needed I should also mention that the reason I try going higher than 29" on the previous setup was that I felt nervous about being able to clip in quickly, which was easier with a lower height. However this was an issue because my cleats were a fit farther back than they should have been. After he moved them forward a bit last night, clipping in was much faster - basically the clips were exactly where my feet "expected" them to be. I've measured my inseam at 33", but maybe it's actually a bit higher or lower - I was doing it myself so who knows how accurate it was. Is it possible that a 55 on this bike is different than a 55 on another bike? Here are the specs for mine
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Jun 16, 2021 15:33
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Your bike is relatively tall in stack but short in reach for a 55. It's a small bike.
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Jun 16, 2021 15:39
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actionjackson posted:Is it possible that a 55 on this bike is different than a 55 on another bike? Yes, absolutely, the numbered sizes on bikes these days mean basically nothing. You have to look at the geometry charts to compare.
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Jun 16, 2021 15:40
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bicievino posted:Your bike is relatively tall in stack but short in reach for a 55. It’s Masi’s CX bike from that era IIRC.
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Jun 16, 2021 15:42
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actionjackson posted:Is it possible that a 55 on this bike is different than a 55 on another bike? yeah 55 on one bike can be different than 55 on another bike To get a comparison between brands you have to look at the geometry (and perhaps do some geometry if they don't have comparable measurements calculated for you). For instance, when I compared between a trek and a cannondale I ended up figuring out that cannondale's 61 frame is about the same size as trek's 62 (there was some difference in effective top tube length) even though cannondale says it can fit a way taller rider on the 61. Turns out cannondale just gives you a 400mm seatpost on the bike I was looking at (trek gives a 330mm) and uses that to justify a fit for a larger rider.
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Jun 16, 2021 15:45
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:It’s Masi’s CX bike from that era IIRC. yep, sorry I should have mentioned that http://www.bikeroar.com/products/masi/cxr-expert-alloy-2018/specs As I recall when looking at this bike, my super knowledgeable bike friend was the one that recommended 55 vs. 57. Maybe if I get REALLY into biking at some point in a few years I'll get a different bike that perhaps has a bit better geometry for me, but this is what I have for now so I'll make it work the best I can. edit: if anyone else here happens to be in the twin cities or is familiar, I went to lowertown bike shop in st paul http://www.lowertownbikeshop.com/ actionjackson fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jun 16, 2021 |
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Jun 16, 2021 15:47
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actionjackson posted:I've measured my inseam at 33", but maybe it's actually a bit higher or lower - I was doing it myself so who knows how accurate it was. A fitter should provide you with some body measurements, or at the very least a sheet with your fit settings so you can take it to another bike. Did they not measure your inseam for you?
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Jun 16, 2021 15:55
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Ride that bike OP. If it's not more comfortable, definitely go back to the fitter, being aware that they are doing their best with an undersized frame.
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Jun 16, 2021 16:18
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I get neck pain about 2.5 hours in. Is that a fit issue or just results of being on a bike for 2.5 hours?
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Jun 16, 2021 16:23
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actionjackson posted:Okay this is lot of questions but I'll just say Your bike might be a bit small for you but go ride it and see if it works. If it doesn't, most fitters I think have some kind of "come back and we'll tweak more things" policy I think you might be getting a tad hung up on numbers (29"! no, 31.5!) and ultimately you just need to get it good enough that you can ride without immediate issue and tweak it from there
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Jun 16, 2021 16:28
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kimbo305 posted:A fitter should provide you with some body measurements, or at the very least a sheet with your fit settings so you can take it to another bike. I don't think so (I didn't think to ask), I can definitely go back in sometime and ask though (or I could just take my bike pretty much anywhere I suppose).
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Jun 16, 2021 16:29
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The bike looks fine to me, the drop looks bigger than it is because of the positive stem. I wasn't measured by my fitter because % of inseam is largely bullshit and things like knee angle when riding is more important.
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Jun 16, 2021 16:35
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:The bike looks fine to me, the drop looks bigger than it is because of the positive stem. I wasn't measured by my fitter because % of inseam is largely bullshit and things like knee angle when riding is more important.  I don't think I've ever had my inseam measured in the context of bikes, only trousers.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:08
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I’m guessing you both have 28” inseams lol. Us 33ers are painfully aware and have done the book thing repeatedly while trying to convince ourselves that the bike we found cheap will fit without “farting around too much” as my dear old Nan would say.
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Jun 16, 2021 17:20
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learnincurve posted:I’m guessing you both have 28” inseams lol. I mean, everyone's body is different I'll ride this for a while, see how it goes, I'd only get a new bike as an absolute last resort as otherwise I think it's pretty wasteful
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Jun 16, 2021 17:27
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:% of inseam is largely bullshit and things like knee angle when riding is more important. It's reductive but it's not bullshit. You could use a formula to predict knee angles if you have femur and lower leg lengths (and maybe hip width). Some percentage of inseam is a starting point, and I'm sure some fitters don't need it because they've built up an eye for appropriate sizings.
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actionjackson posted:I mean, everyone's body is different Oh don’t worry about how your bike looks after a fit at all, if it fits you sits 
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Jun 16, 2021 17:35
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kinda thankful that I'm so tall I just go with the biggest frame size available
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Jun 16, 2021 17:43
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actionjackson posted:
Sever your connection to this super knowledgable bike friend. Long legs, short torso does typically mean choosing the smaller size, but in this case it would have been a choice between 57/58cm or 59/60cm.
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Jun 16, 2021 18:19
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I will say that now that Masi is dead (rip), Argon 18 is definitely my favorite brand based solely on appearance (which is all that matters)
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Jun 16, 2021 18:21
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actionjackson posted:I will say that now that Masi is dead (rip), Argon 18 is definitely my favorite brand based solely on appearance (which is all that matters) Truly now you are embracing Bike Design within Reach.
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Jun 16, 2021 18:44
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Agreed on incorrect initial sizing. In terms of neck pain at 2.5 hours, it could either be a fit issue or strength issue. I'd do some planks for a consistent amount of time and see what happens.
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Jun 16, 2021 18:45
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FogHelmut posted:I get neck pain about 2.5 hours in. Is that a fit issue or just results of being on a bike for 2.5 hours? Are you new to bike riding? If so yes its just an effect of being on the bike for that long. If you regularly do 2.5 hour rides and have no other spine/neck issues I would suggest you're in too aggressive a position so you're having to tilt your head back too far while riding to look ahead. Add a spacer under your stem and see if it goes away.
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I get some neck pain when solo riding that completely goes away when group riding just because I'm moving around a bit more. Either from chatting to the person along side or pointing out hazards
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Jun 16, 2021 18:54
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56 with a 120 mm stem and tons of post crew 
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Jun 16, 2021 18:56
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I just ordered a 110mm -12 stem because my Venge came with a 100mm -6 and they don’t make the -12 in 100mm for some bizarre reason
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TobinHatesYou posted:Sever your connection to this super knowledgable bike friend. will do man thanks for the help
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Jun 16, 2021 19:03
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numberoneposter posted:56 with a 120 mm stem and tons of post crew 56 with a 120 mm stem and almost no post crew #corgi
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jalfp posted:Bike novice here—hoping you all might be able to offer some perspective on picking out a first bike. I've read the OP and poked around a bit here and elsewhere on the web (mostly reading reviews of specific bikes, most of which flies over my head) but thought I should seek out the opinions of enthusiasts who aren't trying to sell me anything. I'm morbidly curious -- did you ever get this, OP?
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