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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Actually can y'all give me some insight: I don't have a dog in this fight for you personally but it seems like you're desperately projecting your own fears on others seeking validation and tripling down when you don't get it. Just my opinion.
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Inept posted:looking forward to your vlog where you find out that disney land has children that's kind of what inspired the question. masks are not required in orlando's big theme parks anymore for vaccinated people, no requirement to show proof of course. except there's a billion kids maskless down there on ages 3-9 tickets. so why not enforce masking on the kids if it's impossible for them to be vaccinated?
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:why not enforce masking on the kids if it's impossible for them to be vaccinated? It’s capitalism, OP.
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Inept posted:looking forward to your vlog where you find out that disney land has children Lmao
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Reminds me of when the UK first started flying in their citizens who'd been in the Wuhan area right at the start of the pandemic and when they arrived at the airport they were met by staff in full PPE who guided them onto buses so they could be whisked away to quarantine Is the full PPE guy even wearing any kind of air filter? Looks like all he's got on his face is a face shield. In which case he's all geared up against droplets and smears, but wide open to airborne transmission (because they kept saying it wasn't airborne).
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:that's kind of what inspired the question. masks are not required in orlando's big theme parks anymore for vaccinated people, no requirement to show proof of course. I think the serious argument is that children are really only a driver of COVID spread if they can breath on unvaccinated persons. I was at a school district in California that was one of the first to go fully to in-person learning before vaccines were widely available. As far as I am aware, in the time that I was there, there was never any spread that could be linked to kids in classrooms or at lunch.
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Fallom posted:Who or what are you arguing with? Thats the real question. Some of the posters are being ignorant assholes
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Children are relatively efficient spreaders. They’re actually more comparable to (unvaccinated!) people fifty to sixty years old than they are to younger adults or adolescents, for the purposes of infecting their contacts.
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I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks.
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. probably on a par with forcing them to wear pants or shoes or hats you monsters parents truly are evil
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. If there is one it is a whole hell of a lot less than being isolated during key social developmental phases or having their families decimated by coronavirus.
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. Thank you for your concern, Mr. Carlson.
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Platystemon posted:Children are relatively efficient spreaders. They’re actually more comparable to (unvaccinated!) people fifty to sixty years old than they are to younger adults or adolescents, for the purposes of infecting their contacts.
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Helith posted:probably on a par with forcing them to wear pants Kids really hate shoes. When will the abuse stop? Barefoot rights now!
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Jun 17, 2021 05:44
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Helith posted:probably on a par with forcing them to wear pants Yes it’s definitely the same thing as those. Platystemon posted:Thank you for your concern, Mr. Carlson. It’s a perfectly valid question.
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I read this thread when I see a bunch of new posts because I think, "oh man, maybe there's some kind of news I should read about," but then it's like 4 pages of conspiracy theories or someone trying to bootstrap a statistics class via irritating arguments. This thread is like fly paper for those that got more mentally ill during quarantine. So I guess that's why I'm posting here. Anyone else just going about life as if nothing happened? I have been and it's weird. I live in Missouri. There's like no catharsis in it. We don't have to wear masks at work anymore so I'm seeing my coworkers' faces for the first time. I started this job like 2 months ago. Well that's my COVID story! I hope I don't get it again cus it suuuuuuuucks.
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MarcusSA posted:Yes it’s definitely the same thing as those. No it is not when taken into the consideration of getting covid. It is a very clear "I'm just asking questions lol" type of instigating comment. You know exactly what your doing when saying poo poo like that, and if you don't then you're just a shithead.
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KakerMix posted:No it is not when taken into the consideration of getting covid. It is a very clear "I'm just asking questions lol" type of instigating comment. And yet Buff Hardback posted:
So maybe it’s not as important to mask kids up. So it is a question that can be asked.
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MarcusSA posted:And yet To be clear: we were generally enforcing mask usage, but keeping a mask on a kindergartner's face is also kinda a fools errand sometimes.
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Masks are but a tiny pebble in the shoes of spoiled Americans. They are a unique annoyance to your life. They are not a great upset in the human experience. Children’s experiences have varied widely across cultures and time. Children grew up fine in the Arctic, where they had to cover their faces lest they freeze and rot. They did fine growing up in deserts, with faces shielded from sand and sun. Historically, it’s gone very poorly when one group argues that another group is raising their children wrong and something should be done about it.
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. I suspect that'll largely depend on the parents' attitudes towards masks and the pandemic in general, and the media they consume in the home, all of which would be major influences on the kids' ability to deal with the situation. I guess another factor will be the degree of sickness and death they've had to deal with during the pandemic, and whether their parents' attitudes changed as a result. Each kid will react to the pandemic in their own individual way and I'm sure there were a bunch of kids whose parents kept yelling "It's just the flu bro" the entire time but then the schools made them wear masks and their grandparents and uncles and aunts kept dropping dead and they knew some really bad poo poo was going down but they weren't able to talk about it at home which massively increased their psychological burden. I grew up in the 70s during the Cold War when the media kept reminding us that we could all die in a nuclear holocaust any day (or satanists might kidnap us. LOL), kids today are living through climate change where the media is constantly reminding them that the earth is going to become increasingly unlivable during their lifetime. They no doubt have a whole slew of psychological burdens to deal with and in many cases I'm sure that facemasks were just another thing to add to the growing list. Buff Hardback posted:I think the serious argument is that children are really only a driver of COVID spread if they can breath on unvaccinated persons. I note that you worded that very carefully. Did they actually test all the kids in the classes if there was an outbreak? KakerMix posted:No it is not when taken into the consideration of getting covid. It is a very clear "I'm just asking questions lol" type of instigating comment. Also there's been many many media commentators who have been using hypothetical suicide rate increases and child trauma as a cudgel to argue against lockdowns and restrictions which were very obvious bad faith/concern troll arguments. It's a deeply politicized topic of discussion, as was pretty much every aspect of the pandemic. (If anyone can show me evidence that Tucker Carlson and his ilk were spruiking for increased access to mental health services for students and people in general before the pandemic I'll happily concede that their concern over mask trauma might not be bad faith, but I won't be holding my breath) Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I suspect that'll largely depend on the parents' attitudes towards masks and the pandemic in general, and the media they consume in the home, all of which would be major influences on the kids' ability to deal with the situation. I guess another factor will be the degree of sickness and death they've had to deal with during the pandemic, and whether their parents' attitudes changed as a result. Each kid will react to the pandemic in their own individual way and I'm sure there were a bunch of kids whose parents kept yelling "It's just the flu bro" the entire time but then the schools made them wear masks and their grandparents and uncles and aunts kept dropping dead and they knew some really bad poo poo was going down but they weren't able to talk about it at home which massively increased their psychological burden. This is actually a great explanation. Thanks.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I suspect that'll largely depend on the parents' attitudes towards masks and the pandemic in general, and the media they consume in the home, all of which would be major influences on the kids' ability to deal with the situation. I guess another factor will be the degree of sickness and death they've had to deal with during the pandemic, and whether their parents' attitudes changed as a result. Each kid will react to the pandemic in their own individual way and I'm sure there were a bunch of kids whose parents kept yelling "It's just the flu bro" the entire time but then the schools made them wear masks and their grandparents and uncles and aunts kept dropping dead and they knew some really bad poo poo was going down but they weren't able to talk about it at home which massively increased their psychological burden. I had nothing to do with COVID notifications and the process in general (and I no longer get there) so I can't speak with certainty if we were mandating all students/staff to get tested or not if a student/staff member popped. There were 95 total cases from the time the Covid dashboard on the website started to now, and 3430 possible persons who were on school sites during that period. 3-9 year old kids didn't seem to drive infection with staff, as only the high school had more staff test positive than students.
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Buff Hardback posted:"In the event of a confirmed case, close contacts will be notified via phone from a district staff member" We'd really need to have some better info on what the schools considered a "close contact" in order to evaluate this at all. There were school employees in the CSPAM thread who confirmed that if one student popped positive then some schools didn't count any of the other students in their cohort as close contacts because they were assumed to have been properly masked 100% of the time they were in class and seated the recommended distance away. Many many school districts were being extremely cagey about the entire process and it was super obvious that their main concern was figuring out a way around the restrictions so they could keep the schools open for as long as possible. If you don't test for links then you don't find evidence of links, then you can point out "There's no evidence that infections occur in the classroom" and if anyone raises questions you can scream "Follow the science!" at them until they shut up. The CDC recommendation that "There's no evidence that seating students 6' away from each other in class is any more effective than seating them 3' from each other" was reached via similar logic, and then school districts ignored all the caveats and fine print attached to that study and just ran with it.
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Also anecdotal, but the school where my mom works also claimed that it was never proven to be transmitted between their students in classrooms or at lunch. They claimed any transmission took place in bus lines or on buses or between kids outside of school -- where it wasn't their fault. Since nobody is doing any contact tracing at all, and certainly not to the level of "did he get it at lunch or on the bus," it's an easy claim. And then they just totally stopped notifying anyone. They did that by redefining "close contact" so that you were only considered a close contact if you spent 30+ minutes within 3 feet with no masks. If you spent 20 minutes maskless and 1' apart in the morning, and 20 minutes maskless and 1' apart in the afternoon, all with a known case, that didn't count so they didn't have to tell you. Also, a face shield alone totally counts as a mask. There are pretty good reasons for people to be cynical about "follow the science!!!!" now. Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Hey, if we're all gonna have paranoid freakouts, I seem to have developed a subclavian aneurysm since I got my shot 2 days ago. Probably 100% unrelated but it's really important to think the worst of everything right now according to this thread, so RIP my left arm, I wish you didn't get amputated in the near future. Thanks for nothing, Covid vaccines!
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I had all three of my daughters attending in-person childcare/school since July 2020. The school year started in September 2020, and was a private school that used a pod system where students did not interact with students from other classrooms, there were no rotating teachers, and masks were worn at all times except for eating (outside) & strenuous physical activity (basically when the kids were running around outside). The classrooms ranged in ages from Kindergarten to middle school, and no child had trouble wearing masks that whole time because it was just a part of what was required for them to attend class. There was no direct psychological toll as best as I can tell, and they were all much happier being able to interact with other children vs. being stuck isolated with just my wife and I. The school tested each pod every Monday and Friday with pooled saliva tests, and if a class popped it took at week off where everyone needed to be tested individually and present the results to be allowed back in. Over the entire school year, 1 staff member and 2 students ever tested positive for the virus. In all three cases the person felt ill before coming to the school, and did not attend, and then later tested positive. Not a single classroom ever tested positive during the pooled tests. In fact, the strict masking, and social distancing requirements actually led to there being NO colds at all this year and basically every child had 100% attendance except for when they were out of class for other non-illness related reasons. The school year ended last week, and all of my daughters were able to have a semi-normal life for the last year, and I am very happy for it. All of the staff members were vaccinated when it became available her in California, and my eldest daughter is now on the timer after getting her second shot. Because they were at school, my wife and I were also able to keep working this whole time which was good for our mental health and ability to socialize with co-workers. So yes, it absolutely was possible to live a normal life, and now that vaccines are widely available we are able to have small social gatherings with children that were in those pods with our daughters and whose parents are already vaccinated as well as hang out with friends and family that are vaccinated. It's good.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Actually can y'all give me some insight: My opinion is that you'll feel a lot better if you stop worrying about stuff you can't control. Get vaccinated (if you haven't already) and go out and enjoy life. The chuds are never going to be convinced to get vaccinated, it's going to take ages for approvals for the vaccination of kids to be processed, and only a fraction of the developing world has access to vaccines, so whatever new variants you're stressing the gently caress out over are going to happen regardless of whether you mask up or not.
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Lolie posted:Australia's vaccination guidelines have changed yet again, with AZ now being recommended only for those 60 and over. It has been loving great watching the boomers scream and moan about not having the red carpet rolled out for the first time in their lives, and it's going to be even funnier watching the 60+ cohort only intensify their tantrums
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Masks for children: traumatising, ineffective, lame Giant inflatable hamster balls for children: fun for the whole family, immunity to airborne illness, 
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freebooter posted:It has been loving great watching the boomers scream and moan about not having the red carpet rolled out for the first time in their lives, and it's going to be even funnier watching the 60+ cohort only intensify their tantrums
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. according to tucker carlson it's basically like throwing them into traffic on facebook live and cackling about it.
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MarcusSA posted:I’m curious about the psychological effect of forcing small children to wear masks. I work with small children and I expected that mask orders were going to be extremely challenging and distressing for the younger kids. Instead, the younger kids had no issues with wearing masks and we're perfectly happy to romp around and play and interact while masked. The kids I know (and I know quite a few) adapted fast and with minimal apparent challenge. Where I saw kids (especially 3 through 6 year olds, but not exclusively) struggle was with remote learning and the social isolation that accompanied lockdown. (Please note that that's not an argument against the necessity of locking down, just an observation that yes, there was definitely an impact on children's social development.)
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1405488004366581760?s=20 This sums up a lot about why the CDC is doing things right, even if it is setting off all of the doomers' alarm bells. Presenting the facts as accurately as possible and basing the guidance on those facts is superior to trying to be extra alarmist in hopes that your alarmism will somehow change the actions of people who were already ignoring it. Also, we're now 14 days past Memorial Day weekend and the case numbers are still declining. It seems all the gathering people did during the holiday didn't result in any surge.
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Castaign posted:Where I saw kids (especially 3 through 6 year olds, but not exclusively) struggle was with remote learning and the social isolation that accompanied lockdown. It really felt like in most cases teachers were basically told "This is happening and you don't have a choice, we don't have any time to discuss it and we don't have any guidelines anyway so just figure it out yourselves" and just had remote teaching dumped on them. And of course they each had hundreds of kids to manage so if a percentage of them were struggling then they didn't really have much time to spend with them all individually and there was hardly anything they could do about it. And on top of that many of them were forced to come into the schools and run remote classes from the empty classrooms during the height of the pandemic even though they could have done it just as well from the safety of their homes, and in a few cases they were even expected to teach a live class and a remote class at the same time. Also there were tens of thousands of teachers getting sick or just plain quitting and there wasn't ever enough trained staff to replace them so a system that had already been stretched way too thin before the pandemic was always on the brink of collapse Of course the answer to all this is "Structured support, guidance and assistance on a federal level with concomitant funding to help it all run smoothly, plus additional infrastructure and increased budgets for additional staff" which was an insane pipe dream in 2020 Trump's America
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Castaign posted:I work with small children and I expected that mask orders were going to be extremely challenging and distressing for the younger kids. Instead, the younger kids had no issues with wearing masks and we're perfectly happy to romp around and play and interact while masked. The kids I know (and I know quite a few) adapted fast and with minimal apparent challenge. While I'm glad y'all are enforcing mask orders, I haven't seen a kid in a mask in three or four weeks; schoolyards/daycares included. People who call concerned posters "doomers" are hilarious.
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