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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/coldwind_81/status/1404897474649550848
https://twitter.com/coldwind_81/status/1404898870845345792

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Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

huac and the 1950s gop didn't have the best analysis of the cold war but they sure went after those tankies

Yossarian-22 has issued a correction as of 02:18 on Jun 16, 2021

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The Trotsky, The

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014


trotsky claimed in this article that Dies didn't allow him to make his testimony specifically because he wasn't willing to give the information on Latin American "Stalinists" that they wanted. who knows

also huac at that time was doing more to fight domestic fascists than commies iirc and didn't have the scope or reputation it would later attain

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Ferrinus posted:

maybe they should've asked for lord thinkton's opinion instead

anglo financial vampires mourning the loss of slavery is peak liberalism

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


poopaganda of the pee

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


tee hee hee

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Ferrinus posted:

you live under a dictatorship. everyone who lives in a state lives in a dictatorship, because states are dictatorships of one class over another

Im in favor of abolishing states my dude.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Orange Devil posted:

Im in favor of abolishing states my dude.

unfortunately, you cannot do this without the use of a worker's state, because "the state" is what it looks like when classes fight

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
I mean I'm willing to give any path to socialism a try because beggars can't be choosers but I am very skeptical that the concentration of power in the hands of a few, thus inherently creating a class conflict, is actually going to lead to a stateless society.

But you know, poo poo is real hosed as is so maybe we get lucky and things at least get somewhat better.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Ytlaya posted:

From reading the start of this thread, Jellidic (or some username like that) is actually making some pretty reasonable points, though it's not clear to me how their perspective is "anarchism." It seems like whether you do mutual aid stuff is mostly irrelevant to actual political ideology* (since it's just a strategy centered around coping with capitalism), and that there's no conflict between thinking "the ideal society is communist" (or whatever) and "but it's probably impossible to reach that end point within our current society/world." Given their worldview (that is generally reasonable and one I agree with), it's just as impossible to create an anarchist society in America as it is a communist one.

* it can be used to support some ideology, but isn't really one in and of itself

I don't think they have an ideology, but are strongly conflated against things that they do not like that they have substituted it for an ideology

noble in spirit, but reactionary in spirit as well, though well-meaning :toughguy:

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
the state is an emergent property of class conflict, not "the concentration of power in the hands of a few". in fact a worker's state exerts the power of the many against the few, while a liberal or feudal state exerts the power of the many against those same many

Pentecoastal Elites
Feb 27, 2007

Orange Devil posted:

but I am very skeptical that the concentration of power in the hands of a few,

there's a lot of workers, op

matti
Mar 31, 2019

lmao

the most embarrassing thread on cspam is some level of an accomplishment

good job everyone, hit the showers

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

matti posted:

lmao

the most embarrassing thread on cspam is some level of an accomplishment

good job everyone, hit the showers

Thanks for pushing us over the line, couldn't have done it without you. Here's a commemorative emoji

🌈

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Orange Devil posted:

I mean I'm willing to give any path to socialism a try because beggars can't be choosers but I am very skeptical that the concentration of power in the hands of a few, thus inherently creating a class conflict, is actually going to lead to a stateless society.

But you know, poo poo is real hosed as is so maybe we get lucky and things at least get somewhat better.

we already live in socialism

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


https://twitter.com/UnkillableTurk/status/1405278616405962755

I really don't know why some left anarchists believe in cryptocrapola.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

StratGoatCom posted:

https://twitter.com/UnkillableTurk/status/1405278616405962755

I really don't know why some left anarchists believe in cryptocrapola.

because they're idiots

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Beyond that.

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

It's money but, like, not controlled by the government, maaaaaaan...

Isn't that the anarchist ideal?

Snake Dance
Jan 5, 2020

by Azathoth

matti posted:

lmao

the most embarrassing thread on cspam is some level of an accomplishment

good job everyone, hit the showers

We can fix this thread with mutual aid

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Organic Lube User posted:

It's money but, like, not controlled by the government, maaaaaaan...

Isn't that the anarchist ideal?

Money should be abolished imo

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


matti posted:

lmao

the most embarrassing thread on cspam is some level of an accomplishment

good job everyone, hit the showers

where's a community militia when you need one

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

ted hitler hunter posted:

You start out in 1947 by saying, “socialist, socialist, socialist.” By 2016 you can’t say “socialist”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, authoritarianism, human rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about opposing sending tanks into Hungary to crush resistance to Soviet communism in 1968, and all these things you’re talking about are totally theoretical things and a byproduct of them is, socialists get hurt worse than other leftists.… “We oppose tankies this,” is much more abstract than even the human rights thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “socialist, socialist.”

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Orange Devil posted:

Money should be abolished imo

go do it

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
these so-called socialists haven't even abolished linear time, let alone the value form

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
if you ask me anyone self identifying as an anarchist is massively suspect. there's some genuinely good organizers i know who call themselves anarchists but you see i trust them because they know that organizing is about finding what motivates other people and not telling everyone to think like you do. everyone else who says it is generally trying to sound more 'legitimately leftist' than they actually are

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Anarkismus_/status/1408100396040658945?s=19

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

https://twitter.com/queertypes/status/1248356865676804108/photo/1

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

The rest of the world has the correct take on the book of record.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

AnimeIsTrash posted:

The rest of the world has the correct take on the book of record.

More proof that anarchism is a cia op

matti
Mar 31, 2019

AnimeIsTrash posted:

The rest of the world has the correct take on the book of record.

cop

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

literal cuck

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Enjoy TERF island and Australia

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

tokin opposition posted:

Enjoy TERF island and Australia

i want to know more about cianarchism 101

skewetoo
Mar 30, 2003

Everyone else is a psyop only I am real

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

skewetoo posted:

Everyone else is a psyop only I am real

same

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

is there even a point in making the distinction? like if you, the average dumbass left anticommunist, just internalize and repeat everything you've heard from the trot-neocons and state dept sickos, what other difference is there between you and the person who is paid to do so.

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

is there even a point in making the distinction? like if you, the average dumbass left anticommunist, just internalize and repeat everything you've heard from the trot-neocons and state dept sickos, what other difference is there between you and the person who is paid to do so.

there is no difference.

its so they can mobilize to ankle bite the people who actually successfully overturned the bougie oligarchy for the first time in human history

anarchists are objectively and collectively,( although not always subjectively, or on a personal level), western supremacists and chauvinists

that piece of poo poo noam chumpsky said that now that the USSR has fallen, and more Soviet people died than during their civil war, socialism can finally happen.

i always wondered why that state dep funded degenerate has never actually done anything relating to socialism in his worthless life.

finally i figured it out.
in practice Chump loves trot socialism of "peasants" serving the cities in order to wage war against the world. Surprise surprise, thats exactly what we have now! so why would he do anything?

neoliberalism and US world domination is Noam Chumpsky's socialism because in reality that's what his bullshit (outside his specific field) accomplished in this world.


no i will not sit down yes i know this is a wendy's

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