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DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Getting my head kicked in by my family.
Am I the only person who thinks making contingency plans (even if you don't end up using them in the event of whatever the contingency is) is sensible and not 'wishing the bad thing' into existence?

gently caress no

The planning process isn't about coming up with a list of instructions to follow, its thinking about what might feasibly happen and ways to deal with it or do other stuff so that when poo poo does inevitably crop up your thoughts are already in order


Dissing planning is an order of magnitude less annoying than the whole concept of wishing things into existence/the secret style woo though



**page 58 boring fact**

58 pattern webbing was issued to me as an air cadet and it was terrible to use and smelt like sweat and mothballs but I stole it when I left anyway

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Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Getting my head kicked in by my family.
Am I the only person who thinks making contingency plans (even if you don't end up using them in the event of whatever the contingency is) is sensible and not 'wishing the bad thing' into existence?

No more than wearing a seatbelt is "wishing a car crash into existence".

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Getting my head kicked in by my family.
Am I the only person who thinks making contingency plans (even if you don't end up using them in the event of whatever the contingency is) is sensible and not 'wishing the bad thing' into existence?

Tell them that not making a contingency plan is tempting fate and why do they want to tempt fate? If fate gets tempted, fate might come over and do a number on you all. Ask them what they will say to fate when fate, having been tempted, turns up at their door

Sometimes you gotta fight bullshit with bullshit

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Getting my head kicked in by my family.
Am I the only person who thinks making contingency plans (even if you don't end up using them in the event of whatever the contingency is) is sensible and not 'wishing the bad thing' into existence?

I mean, I guess it depends on what the bad thing is. In the Cold War a lot of people frowned on building anti-missile systems as it suggested a way you could be safe from nuclear annihilation, and if you could be safe in a nuclear war you wouldn't put 100% into preventing one breaking out.

You're probably talking more, "Have a bag with some mars bars and clean underwear in in case my house gets flooded at 2 AM" style stuff than "end of the world nuclear apocalypse", presumably

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Gort posted:

I mean, I guess it depends on what the bad thing is. In the Cold War a lot of people frowned on building anti-missile systems as it suggested a way you could be safe from nuclear annihilation, and if you could be safe in a nuclear war you wouldn't put 100% into preventing one breaking out.

You're probably talking more, "Have a bag with some mars bars and clean underwear in in case my house gets flooded at 2 AM" style stuff than "end of the world nuclear apocalypse", presumably

What I'm actually talking about it, my mum has been trying to sell her home in the countryside for 3 months now and hardly any views and no offers.
She had put in an offer on another property (moving into town so she can walk to the shops instead of driving 16 miles round trip from the middle of nowhere) but needs to clear a certain amount to pay all the stamp duty and estate agent fees etc, so there is a minimum floor for her to sell the existing. Anyway, it all seems to be falling through as the other side want to get a move on.
So I've been saying for ages, she needs a contingency plan for another winter up in the remote hills: communications (no mobile phone signal, no 4G signal so if the electrics go out, she has no internet either*), wood store, food store. Also, if the property she wanted to buy falls through, yet her home does sell, where will she live while looking for another place - rentals aren't in big supply round here especially for women in their mid80s! - as none of us have spare rooms. Everyone is screaming at me.

*we got her an old-fashioned phone that plugs into the phone socket instead of one of those fancy walking around the house things so she could use the landline phone if the electrics go out but obviously not if the phone lines come down.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Jun 18, 2021

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!




That's brilliant, and also horrifying.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Gort posted:

I mean, I guess it depends on what the bad thing is. In the Cold War a lot of people frowned on building anti-missile systems as it suggested a way you could be safe from nuclear annihilation, and if you could be safe in a nuclear war you wouldn't put 100% into preventing one breaking out.
Also anti-missile systems break MAD, so if you see your adversary building one, the only logical thing to do under von Neumann brain game theory is to do a first strike before their ABM system is operational.

Therefore by committing to build one, you're tempting a preemptive strike.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

The only argument that seems to get pushed for smart meters is so you don't get estimated fuel bills and how it is supposed to help you reduce energy consumption.

(a) I read my meter every two weeks and put it on a spreadsheet and calculate bill to date and forecast bill for next quarter using the tariff rates (and give the co an online meter reading once a month).

(b) I don't use energy I don't have to, I know that anything that produces heat is expensive (kettle, heaters) so I don't use it more than I have to while staying comfortable. The most wasteful thing I do is leaving the tv, sat. box and router on 'standby' overnight. All my lightbulbs are LED so if I leave every light in my flat on 24/7 it's only as much electricity as a couple of 60W bulbs used to use.

(c) Two of the flats in my block had smart meters put in, the meters interfered with their storage heating which wouldn't come on, so the co had to reinstate the old meters. I don't have storage heating but what gives?

I have had a letter about radio signals being switched off but haven't looked into it.

Well ok but I don't want to do any spreadsheets and neither do, I'm guessing, most people. We had this chat in here before and you were told all the potential advantages of smart meters by people who were involved in working with them. But you have apparently, conveniently, forgotten all that so you can carry on with your spreadsheets.

If I had a proper smart meter my car would know the price of electricity and only charge when it was cheap, free or profitable. The large scale energy savings offered by a network with smart meters, and devices, could be huge.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Well ok but I don't want to do any spreadsheets and neither do, I'm guessing, most people. We had this chat in here before and you were told all the potential advantages of smart meters by people who were involved in working with them. But you have apparently, conveniently, forgotten all that so you can carry on with your spreadsheets.

If I had a proper smart meter my car would know the price of electricity and only charge when it was cheap, free or profitable. The large scale energy savings offered by a network with smart meters, and devices, could be huge.

You're right I'd forgotten about that. I shall beat myself up with a whip.

I am a spreadsheet junky.

(Still doesn't explain why the smart meters stopped my neighbours' storage heaters working though!)

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Wait wait wait wait.

There's a party called REFUK?

Even stranger, there's a party called LDEM.
Apparently they are the next big thing.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

(Still doesn't explain why the smart meters stopped my neighbours' storage heaters working though!)

user error

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I love a spreadsheet but I hate doing anything practical outside of the spreadsheet so reading the meter manually sounds like a bad time.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Two separate neighbours in two separate flats?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Also, if the property she wanted to buy falls through, yet her home does sell, where will she live while looking for another place - rentals aren't in big supply round here especially for women in their mid80s! - as none of us have spare rooms. Everyone is screaming at me.
I hate to put it so bluntly, but it looks like you are probably their contingency plan. If the whole family is screaming and shouting at you now, they'll be ten times worse when she's got nowhere to go and of course none of them could possibly make room and how could you do that to your poor old mother etc.

A caring nature will always be exploited. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have one, you just meed to be aware of your boundaries around people who will try and take the piss.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1405881552026976259?s=21

lol

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Red Oktober posted:

Scott was worth $36b in July last year, since then she's given away $8b, and is now worth $57b.


It's really, really hard to comprehend just how quickly wealth accumulates at those levels. She literally cannot give her money away fast enough.

The post I was responding to suggested a link between giving away money and wealth increasing. Not that the absolute level of wealth would still increase because of how it is managed, donations notwithstanding.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Columnist.txt:

https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1405520524965335042?s=21

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




JollyBoyJohn posted:

Shouldn't need your heating on for another 5 months

Lol

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




His Divine Shadow posted:

Never heard of microbore before, is it a UK thing? Most pipes here I think are between 15-22 mm most of the time.

Not really a uk thing alone, it goes down to 8mm and it’s really easy to use to fit into old houses, which is relevant in the UK. It just can’t cope with the lower flow temp of a heat pump so going to 15mm everywhere now. Right now I spend about £750 a year on oil which is not great and the heat pump is over 100% efficient by the way they measure it, so should save money there.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1405891552438784013?s=20

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/beckettunite/status/1405830365844066305?s=21

Beckett has officially dropped out of the Unite leadership race to ensure a unified left vote. I would assume that Graham will be swiftly following him.

That makes me think a lot of him, honestly. I was expecting them to split it. Good on Beckett.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Lol, the conclusions of the Guardian commentariat are:

a) Time for a new Progressive Alliance!

b) This is actually a very good result for Starmer because, see a) Progressive Alliance!

Although,

c) It's also rather bad but definitely all Jeremy Corbyn's fault.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

already gone but I'm assuming they "accidentally" invited another fash onto one of their phone-ins

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

OwlFancier posted:

That makes me think a lot of him, honestly. I was expecting them to split it. Good on Beckett.
The way Beckett has been posting the last few weeks I really was not expecting him to stand aside. Just a few days ago this came up:

https://twitter.com/MettlesomeTeri/status/1405649057041768449?s=19

I just hope the damage hasn't already been done, I see a lot of people in the racheal_swindon likes and retweets that were getting really angry and conspiratorial about Turner.

Owen Jones has also been spending a lot of time on facebook replying to people blaming him for splitting the vote, although to be fair Jones' messaging has been less "the left needs to unite behind a candidate" and more "the left needs to get behind my friend Steve Turner and I am going to ignore any of Beckett's positives."

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


OwlFancier posted:

That makes me think a lot of him, honestly. I was expecting them to split it. Good on Beckett.

Bare minimum, unions should withhold funding from any political party that doesn't support reversing Thatcherite union laws. Especially the laws that made solidarity strikes illegal. loving bewilders me that's been on the books for 41 years without much challenge.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would have really liked beckett to win but if he's the only one with the good sense to do what it takes to keep coyne out then so be it.

They really should be using STV though jesus christ.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Yeah STV is basically built for single executive positions.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Pretty sure Beckett has been playing hardball this whole time and was always planning to concede, once he'd extracted sufficient concessions. I'd say he's a shrewd politician.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Two separate neighbours in two separate flats?

multiple user error

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


All orders have now shipped. :)

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
Camrath are you able to ship to NI? I'm not planning to buy because i am a basic person who buys basic things but i am curious to know if you can send fudge into NI from GB now

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Eagerly awaiting the photograph of Sammy Wilson angrily brandishing a plate of fudge.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Somehow I've fallen into a Hansard reading hole, as you do sometimes

"Mr. THORNE It enables them to buy goods, and that makes work for someone else.
Sir H. SAMUEL Yes, but economically, after a period of years, there is nothing to show for it. It is not reproductive.
Mr. MAXTON Except for human beings."

Jimmy Maxton ruled.

Camrath
Mar 19, 2004

The UKMT Fudge Baron


crispix posted:

Camrath are you able to ship to NI? I'm not planning to buy because i am a basic person who buys basic things but i am curious to know if you can send fudge into NI from GB now

I have a couple of regular customers in NI, and they keep ordering so I’m pretty sure the shipments are arriving. ;)

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Didn't realize Labour lost their deposit at Chesham and Amersham!
I suppose with only 622 votes it was pretty obvious, but my brain hadn't joined the dots.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Comrade Fakename posted:

Losing the support of the UK’s biggest union? Very.

Unite threatening to bankrupt the labour party is literally why I wanted Beckett. I'll take Turner, but this means continuing the giant void where impossible-to-ignore leftists need to be, as we watch the dominance of socialist sympathies in u35s slip ever further away from us. You spent enough time around momentum to pick up some political instincts, so where are they? We are already on the worst path and Unite having a gensec in the Bob Crow mould was always the best available outcome.



is it a prion disorder?


forkboy84 posted:

Somehow I've fallen into a Hansard reading hole, as you do sometimes

"Mr. THORNE It enables them to buy goods, and that makes work for someone else.
Sir H. SAMUEL Yes, but economically, after a period of years, there is nothing to show for it. It is not reproductive.
Mr. MAXTON Except for human beings."

Jimmy Maxton ruled.

glad I'm not the only one apparently laughing at glasgow '35

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

I liked Bob Crow.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Didn't realize Labour lost their deposit at Chesham and Amersham!
I suppose with only 622 votes it was pretty obvious, but my brain hadn't joined the dots.

They could've gotten 3 times vote their Tonty Blair endorsed candidate managed & still lost their deposit by a a couple dozen votes. loving rules.

Maxton continuing to rule

"Mr. GRAHAM WHITE asked the Minister of Labour if his attention has been drawn to the volunteer work scheme in Germany, whereby work has been provided for 200,000 youths on schemes of communal service; and if he will consider introducing a similar scheme into this country?
Sir H. BETTERTON I am aware of the scheme to which the hon. Member refers. The hon. Member will appreciate that a scheme appropriate to one country may not be suitable for another. I am, however, giving the matter careful consideration.
Viscountess ASTOR Is it not better to form a scheme appropriate to this country, instead of having no scheme?
Mr. MAXTON Will the right lion. Gentleman notice the recent changes that have taken place in Germany when he is considering this matter?"

Is there a more Liberal MP thing than going "hmmm, the Germans in early 1933 have got this very good system that we should copy"? 4 days before the Reichstag burned down, and a month after Hitler had been made Chancellor.

Also this gem from 1st March, from a Tory MP in a debate about Germany: "Before the right hon. Gentleman replies, may I ask whether he will bear in mind the necessity of allowing the Germans to manage their own affairs?" Just loving yikes.

Last I will post on this for now, but this speech from Maxton on the Private Members Bill he tried to put through is well worth reading: That this House recognises that the widespread poverty of the people cannot be removed within the framework of the capitalist order of society, which is not progressing towards prosperity but heading for collapse, and condemns the present policy of the Government as foolish trifling with a serious situation.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jun 18, 2021

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1405914701104660484?s=19

A tory nonce, who'd a thunk it.

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