|
How is the snap not like a category one jillion apocalypse? They don't even make mention of it! "Bad Loki is hiding out in some doomsday event!" "Oh, like when Thanos snapped half the universe out of existence? " No, when some hurricane Katrina flattened a Wal Mart, you know, poo poo that's a big deal "
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 06:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 21:30 |
|
|
Wasn’t the idea that there wouldn’t be any survivors at the ground zero of any particular catastrophic event to make it a valid hiding spot? Like, we know of the destruction from Pompeii due to eye witnesses, geology and archeology, but we have no idea of the conversations or the individual experiences any of the people dying there would have.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 06:39
|
|
|
The destruction of Asgard caused 10k deaths, 8 category 5 hurricanes hitting the gulf coast probably killed way, way more. That's the difference
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 06:47
|
|
|
I stayed up late doing dumb things:
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 06:52
|
|
|
Desperado Bones posted:I stayed up late doing dumb things: This…..is good.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 07:32
|
|
|
Panfilo posted:How is the snap not like a category one jillion apocalypse? They don't even make mention of it! Because everyone came back. I think that for the purposes of the TVA, an apocalypse is rated by how many people survive to keep influencing the sacred timeline.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 07:46
|
|
|
Panfilo posted:How is the snap not like a category one jillion apocalypse? They don't even make mention of it! They were looking in a specific timeframe due to the chewing gum.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 07:57
|
|
|
Red posted:You know, I think the TVA was probably lazy about that deathcount; most of the deaths related to Ragnarok were probably people killed by Hela and her minions. Thor had pretty clearly evacuated Asgard by the time it was torched. The paperwork not being fully accurate reminds me of the bit in Spiderman where the class made video is talking about the blip with the joke being that they thank all the Avengers except for the Hulk who was the one who actually brought everyone back. Thinking of that woman Loki was trying to get more information about the TVA from and the could not give less of a gently caress attitude you'd expect from someone with a endless supply of paperwork to fill out till the end of existence. Dragonstoned fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jun 18, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 08:00
|
|
|
The TVA and all the soul crushing bureaucracy within is just Marvel’s take on the Vogon Empire.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 08:02
|
|
|
I mean I thought it was pretty clear that the whole way this works is that there are several timelines happening, but all of them are being made to follow the sacred timeline, a single braided rope of hundreds of timelines happening the same way, for all time, forever. Variants happen when one of the strands of this braided sacred timeline attempts to fray off, when they go in they fix the fray. The timelines that go wonky in Endgame get pruned/fixed to return to the sacred order, but the Avengers themselves don't vary from their pre-ordained lives so they don't get touched. Time Travel doesn't create variance, things that will create separate timelines do, but only people native to those timelines are variants if the changes are created by someone acting upon their non-variant lives. So yes it is incredibly arbitrary and bullshit that Loki is punished and the Avengers are fine, that's intentional.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 08:11
|
|
|
The specific reason for hiding in apocalypses is that some of them basically have event horizons-- once the disaster is imminent, events in the vicinity no longer have the potential to affect the rest of the universe. Causal chain reactions can't travel past the event's radius quickly enough to matter. But only SOME apocalypses are like this, which is why Loki and Mobius were picky when they were going over the files. It's not that the Snap wasn't catastrophic, but you couldn't hide there because it didn't have an event horizon to hide within-- causality kept on trucking among the survivors (and also it didn't happen while Kablooie gum existed).
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 08:38
|
|
|
This feels like it's getting into Time Ships level of "multiverse of multiverses" frac.. fracticality? Fractalness? Bloody time travel!
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 09:49
|
|
|
You see, people assume time is a strict progression of cause to effect, But actually, from a non-linear non-subjective viewpoint...
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 10:09
|
|
|
I just had an idea that the TVA could have trapped itself in loop of needing a Loki to hunt down the previous Loki they brought in to catch a previous Loki. Like, Lady Loki was brought in to capture some third Loki, who filled her head with knowledge about the TVA they had acquired, so that she can now do the same for our Loki? And it's been that way for quite some...time. Just Lokis all the way down. I haven't rewatched the episodes yet so this might be easily dismissed by something I'm forgetting...
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 10:57
|
|
|
The_Doctor posted:You see, people assume time is a strict progression of cause to effect, But actually, from a non-linear non-subjective viewpoint... The moment they said "you can only investigate crisis nodes in real-time" I knew this wasn't one of those stories where all of the events and causality loops have been intricately worked out in the writer's room for a big reveal and you just need to go along for the ride (I mean I knew that anyway, that just confirmed we aren't getting a Nolan-style ending where every little thing comes together).
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 11:18
|
|
|
The_Doctor posted:You see, people assume time is a strict progression of cause to effect, But actually, from a non-linear non-subjective viewpoint... What the TVA presupposes is... maybe it's not.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 12:03
|
|
|
It's more wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 12:12
|
|
|
Ngl watching Lady Loki futz around in NPCs and then get a reveal made me realize just what a creative gamble it's going to be to have other characters try to do what Hiddleston does. For real, he owns Loki like few actors own their characters, and whether the other actors do a mimicry of his schtick or their own thing it's going to take time to grow on the audience if it ever does, especially when the original is right there to compare to. I don't think they have a choice in terms of trying it, but still respect that they're doing it. It would be way, way safer for their brand to just keep the character in a box. Even if they gently caress it up I still respect their acknowledgment that they have to take the chance, much like with Sam Cap who looks lamer and lamer by the second but whose very existence earns a lot of goodwill and investment.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 12:37
|
|
|
Organic Lube User posted:It's more wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...stuff. Loki vs weeping angels would be good
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 12:46
|
|
|
mind the walrus posted:Ngl watching Lady Loki futz around in NPCs and then get a reveal made me realize just what a creative gamble it's going to be to have other characters try to do what Hiddleston does. For real, he owns Loki like few actors own their characters, and whether the other actors do a mimicry of his schtick or their own thing it's going to take time to grow on the audience if it ever does, especially when the original is right there to compare to. Hiddleston seems to genuinely love playing Loki, which isn't the case with a lot of the actors. Evans and Hemsworth before Waititi in particular seemed like they couldn't wait to get out.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 13:19
|
|
|
Alchenar posted:The moment they said "you can only investigate crisis nodes in real-time" I knew this wasn't one of those stories where all of the events and causality loops have been intricately worked out in the writer's room for a big reveal and you just need to go along for the ride (I mean I knew that anyway, that just confirmed we aren't getting a Nolan-style ending where every little thing comes together). According to Michael Waldron, the walls of the writers' room were covered in timeline diagrams, so they did put thought into them.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 13:23
|
|
|
That's a pointless endeavor since rear end in a top hat fun vacuum nerds will just pick it apart anyway.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 13:29
|
|
|
Gonz posted:The TVA and all the soul crushing bureaucracy within is just Marvel’s take on the Vogon Empire. lol that zig zag line where the other other variant got zapped is a straight up homage to the recentish film.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 13:37
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:lol that zig zag line where the other other variant got zapped is a straight up homage to the recentish film. That's just any sort of queue barrier system in general? 
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 13:40
|
|
|
Desperado Bones posted:I stayed up late doing dumb things: Tom Hiddleston doing the splits on a kitchen counter top when? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdBz60-z8NQ
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 14:56
|
|
|
G-III posted:Tom Hiddleston doing the splits on a kitchen counter top when? Probably not ever unless stunt people/editing are involved. Personally I'd like to see Tom as Loki doing this bit. Because according to IMBD it's his favorite song. Also, I'm mildly sad about them actually visiting Alabama without Tom H singing this. Everyone fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jun 18, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 15:42
|
|
|
It's a little crazy that Loki and the Scarlet Witch did a big music biopic and no one ever talks about it. It must be terrible.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 15:56
|
|
|
The time travel in this feels very Dr Who like, in the sense that you shouldn't think too hard about it and the rules change based on what the plot needs.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 16:37
|
|
|
live with fruit posted:Hiddleston seems to genuinely love playing Loki, which isn't the case with a lot of the actors. Evans and Hemsworth before Waititi in particular seemed like they couldn't wait to get out. Evans and Hemsworth had really thankless roles as the straight men holding things up while other characters got to do more fun stuff. Thankfully after Whedon and Perlmutter got pushed out they started to let Evans have a little fun and while I would genuinely be happy if Waititi never touched the film industry again, he brings out Hemsworth's best.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 16:50
|
|
|
mind the walrus posted:I would genuinely be happy if Waititi never touched the film industry again Why is this? I thought Waititi 's Ragnarok was by far the best Thor movie and eminently enjoyable.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 16:56
|
|
|
Look at this fool who doesn't like Hunt for the Wilderpeople
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 16:58
|
|
|
mind the walrus posted:I would genuinely be happy if Waititi never touched the film industry again Can you explain yourself, young man?
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:15
|
|
|
Megillah Gorilla posted:Why is this? They think that Waititi’s sense of humor is “vile” lmao
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:16
|
|
|
I thought it had something to do with him banging actors or something
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:17
|
|
|
TK-42-1 posted:I thought it had something to do with him banging actors or something Please don't start this derail again.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:19
|
|
|
Firebert posted:They think that Waititi’s sense of humor is “vile” lmao lol I had forgotten about that. lmao "vile" hahaha
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:22
|
|
|
Firebert posted:They think that Waititi’s sense of humor is “vile” lmao Definitely want to hear about this!
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:41
|
|
|
Pull up, thread
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:48
|
|
|
DIVE! DIVE! DIVE! HIT YOUR BURNERS, PILOT!
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 25, 2024 21:30 |
|
|
Desperado Bones posted:I stayed up late doing dumb things: It was worth the time.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2021 17:59
|
|
