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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what "doesn't make sense" about the GTI? running costs and repairs, long standing stereotypes about reliability and gremlins vs something Japanese. my dad has dailied a Mk2 Jetta and a ‘09 A4, and my parents have owned a ‘97 Mk3 Cabrio as a ‘fun runabout car’ since like 2011, and all three earned reputations as charming and enjoyable to drive-but problematic and costly to maintain lemons, in some cases with serious design/manufacturing flaws in critical areas.
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Jun 17, 2021 16:49
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I mean, my MK7.5 GTI needed two replacement turbos, each after about 30-40k kms. I sold it when the warranty was up.
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Jun 17, 2021 18:02
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My personal anecdote is my 2017 GTI has needed nothing but fluids.
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Jun 17, 2021 18:18
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I used to work on VWs and other German poo poo to keep a roof over my head. My daily is a 2018 Elantra GT Sport, just sayin’ That said, an Audi S3 would have been in my garage if values had been lower when I was buying.
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Jun 17, 2021 18:23
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same also some mods, definitely needed some mods
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Jun 17, 2021 18:23
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:My personal anecdote is my 2017 GTI has needed nothing but fluids. Blood is a fluid
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Jun 17, 2021 18:26
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Rhyno posted:Blood is a fluid cash is liquid, too! Ok Comboomer posted:running costs and repairs, long standing stereotypes about reliability and gremlins vs something Japanese. it's definitely going to cost you more than a Mazda3 over its lifetime - whether the additional fun is worth it is up to you.
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Jun 17, 2021 19:05
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traded a mazda 3 hatch for a mk7 R would absolutely do it again
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Jun 17, 2021 19:13
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Enos Cabell posted:e: should mention a buddy of mine has a 2021 Mazda 3 in that gorgeous soul red color, and it is quite a bit sportier than the 14 for sure. still lacking features that would make it a "hot" hatch, great car though I'd have said it was the other way around - the 4th gen is more refined but less 'sporty' than the 3rd gen was. Same engines, more comfort orientated suspension and more weight. Well aside from the turbo I guess but while that is quicker I wouldn't say it's sporty either, especially because it only comes with the auto.
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Jun 17, 2021 19:47
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Speaking of, what is a realistic lifespan of a GTI anyway? My 17 is up to a hair over 60k and it’s got me thinking. Never had a real Issue with it so far, but I also drove my Jeep and the wife’s Civic right up to 200k before selling them. I’ve seen 160k online but I’ve no idea if there is any weight to it.
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Jun 17, 2021 19:58
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Warbird posted:Speaking of, what is a realistic lifespan of a GTI anyway? My 17 is up to a hair over 60k and it’s got me thinking. Never had a real I'm seeing some 210-250s in my area, if you can dream it you can be it Joking aside, if I bought any new or properly-maintained recent model year car in 2021 and it didn't get me at least to 200k with a reasonable/avg amount of component wear/service/replacement I'd be feeling ripped off, tbh. I feel like 200k used to be a big milestone for cars in the 1990s, and nowadays it's like "2nd or 3rd or 4th owner" territory. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Jun 17, 2021 20:02
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Ok Comboomer posted:Ok, it’s been about a week and I still definitely need a new (used) car. Do Mazda3s count as hot hatches? Anything I should know about them? I used to daily a 2011 2.5 manual for a while and that was a really fun car, and it looks like the newer models since then have greatly upped the QoL features and fit+finish. I had a 2016 GTI that I bought new and my current daily is a pretty immaculate 2014 Mazda 3 hatch that I picked up for a deal a few months ago. It is not a hot hatch at all, but it is a nice place to be as a daily driver. Overall handling can be described as it feels surprisingly willing to rotate into a corner on the brakes and not real floaty. Interior is seems interesting and nicer than a Corolla or Civic of similar vintage. I feel like they are a really good deal for what they are as a daily driver; if a Mazdaspeed 3 in this generation existed I'd probably buy one. FiST is too nervous and spartan inside, GTI is too tame in stock form. Just get the GTI, if you can. I type this as I look at a certain 31k mile STH class 2017 GTI for sale in Tennessee for $18k asking price with a wavetrac, tune, dp, rear bar, ST XTA coilovers, and 18x9 wheels all around. BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Jun 17, 2021 20:28
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Yeah the new Mazda3 Turbo hatch is kind of disappointing from a sportiness standpoint. They are also scarce at least in my region so not sure I could even test drive one if I wanted. Still looking for the right 2018+ Mk7 GTI to replace my 2014 Mk6.
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Jun 17, 2021 20:51
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I have had a great time with the GTI, I have some small complaints, but the car is fun to drive and it accepts a lot more power with no complaints if one day you wanted to add it. I think all my minor issues are with the way the DSG is tuned, but also I had a manual and I wasn't that fond of the clutch. The only other thing is that wheel hop is a thing that happens but you get used to when to apply power after a while to avoid it but I wish it was AWD but that's what the R is for I guess.
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Jun 17, 2021 21:21
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The dog bone insert helps a lot as does coding out the "starting vibration reduction" and "torque limitation", but yeah, FWD.
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Jun 17, 2021 21:33
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Personally I think the GTI at multiple different brackets is the most 'logical' choice for a practical daily that's fairly reliable (at least ones that are new enough and low enough miles to be considered for a daily) but still is fun to drive and engaging to provide a bit of experience for someone that likes driving. They seem to always "make the most sense" to me heh. Multiple times while I was searching for my silly manual E91 I thought to myself I should just be reasonable and buy a manual GTI and it will be perfect and everything I really want/need out of a car.
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Jun 17, 2021 21:43
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just buy a 4motion GSW/alltrack and chip it, its what all the smart kids are doing
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Jun 17, 2021 22:16
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dissss posted:I'd have said it was the other way around - the 4th gen is more refined but less 'sporty' than the 3rd gen was. Same engines, more comfort orientated suspension and more weight. I guess I was only a passenger in the 21, so I'll def take your word on that.
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Jun 17, 2021 22:26
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Enos Cabell posted:I guess I was only a passenger in the 21, so I'll def take your word on that. That’s what all of the press, etc has said about it too for a few years now. And now that the model’s moved to AWD and the manual’s been deprecated it’s pretty obvious that Mazda’s gonna stay there with the 3 before they replace the drivetrain with whatever electric gubbins they’re working on with Toyota, and that’ll become the new TOTL/“performance”/touring/etc trim. FWIW, I found the 2011 to be an absolute peach to drive minus the ridiculous blindspots and the demented clown body cladding. Obviously not nearly as surgical as the E36 I was dailying beforehand, and definitely not RWD, but a heck of a lot faster and more power (any car would’ve done that, but still). Definitely a fun car to drive hard, at least to me, echoing BlackMk4’s take on the 2014 that it’s easy enough to rotate and feel confident doing so, esp once you get really familiar with it. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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Jun 17, 2021 22:50
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TheBacon posted:Personally I think the GTI at multiple different brackets is the most 'logical' choice for a practical daily that's fairly reliable (at least ones that are new enough and low enough miles to be considered for a daily) but still is fun to drive and engaging to provide a bit of experience for someone that likes driving. They seem to always "make the most sense" to me heh. Multiple times while I was searching for my silly manual E91 I thought to myself I should just be reasonable and buy a manual GTI and it will be perfect and everything I really want/need out of a car. Agreed. When I went from a GTI to a Cayman, there were multiple times where I regretted not also keeping the GTI. That hatch with the seats down can hold a ton of stuff, and a tune really makes the car a joy to drive.
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Jun 18, 2021 12:08
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To tack onto this car buying bit, I bought a 2017 GTI after I wrecked my 2015 Mazda 3. Definitely a fun trade-up and would recommend as a nice daily driver. My anecdotal contribution to the VW reliability thread is that I haven't needed anything other than fluids as well, and mine is tuned with quite a few bolt-ons. Coming up on 40k miles, so we'll see!
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Jun 18, 2021 21:41
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My 2021 GTI has 1300km on it and a couple times I've had to reboot the infotainment to get the audio to work. Other than that I love it, and I'm not even through the break in period yet so I haven't had a chance to really open it up. My sister has a 2012 Mazda 3 and it's a cool little car but I wouldn't call it a hot hatch. is it true I should get an oil change after I finish the break in?
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Jun 18, 2021 23:04
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crosspisting my latest GTI rant. I should add that the market is looking super stupid right now. Like, if I go on autotrader and set my max budget to $22k then the most expensive car I get at $21900 is a 2016 S with 29k miles. And that seams dumb as poo poo when I can find five 2016s and five more 2017s between $15 and $19k and between 30k and 95k miles, and there doesn’t appear to be much rhyme or reason as to why one costs $16k and the other costs $18,999 beyond “that’s what they decided to list it as”. Edit: spelled “crossposting” wrong, but honestly it works better like that. Ok Comboomer posted:Ok so. I think I want a GTI. I think I want a manual GTI. With the Plaid. I think I’m going to go out and shop for a car, and when I do so, I will be looking for GTIs and I’m ready to stop looking for other cars. I think I’m starting to figure out that I should get the car that inspires the most confidence while also being new enough and as inexpensive as possible and gently caress everything else. If I get something like a 2016 or 2017 in the ~60k miles range and spend more like $16 grand instead of $21 grand on a lower-mileage car/car with the add-ons, then I can plan on doing a clutch replacement+LSD upgrade when it hits 100k or something like that.
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Jun 18, 2021 23:30
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Maybe an unpopular opinion but if I was after a GTI I'd be choosing the auto. The DSG in the GTI is a very good transmission and the manual is (at best) mediocre.
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Jun 19, 2021 00:26
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I'd posted a while back about getting rear ended/the hatch getting mushed. Had an appointment to get it fixed and promptly got rear ended AGAIN, 3 days before the appointment. Wound up in the ER with a hosed up neck, but shockingly I can barely tell where I got hit the second time. Luckily both had insurance, both accepted responsibility, and the second one is paying the medical bills. So I'm stuck in a Chrysler 300 through probably next week until the GTI is fixed, and :omg: the Chrysler is godawful
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Jun 19, 2021 00:31
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dissss posted:Maybe an unpopular opinion but if I was after a GTI I'd be choosing the auto. The DSG in the GTI is a very good transmission and the manual is (at best) mediocre. I love the DSG in my GTI, although I was never the best at driving stick anyway, but coming from a manual I don't miss it at all. Also if a GTI is what you want then just get one, don't be an idiot like me and get something you think is more practical just to trade it in a few years later for a GTI.
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Jun 19, 2021 01:13
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dissss posted:Maybe an unpopular opinion but if I was after a GTI I'd be choosing the auto. The DSG in the GTI is a very good transmission and the manual is (at best) mediocre. IDK. The way I see it this is probably the last ICE car I buy before going electric, so if I’m comfortable driving stick why not do that? It can’t be that bad if every reviewer seems to recommend getting the stick and has for p much the entire model generation. It’s not like I’d be in over my head or anything. I dailied manuals in Boston for ~6 years. Drove ‘em all over the place, to many lovely and less lovely jobs. I even drove Lyft with one for about a year when I was between jobs and going back to grad school. Let me tell you that nothing makes you a clutch-control machine quite like driving strangers around America’s Worst Driving City (TM) for ~8 hrs at a time. Also I developed tendonitis in my left knee like a few months after I stopped but I have no idea if it was related. My left leg was notably more swole than my right tho. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jun 19, 2021 |
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Jun 19, 2021 01:26
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Sure I can see the appeal of a manual, just not a manual GTI.
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Jun 19, 2021 01:37
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dissss posted:Sure I can see the appeal of a manual, just not a manual GTI. that bad of a manual, huh?
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Jun 19, 2021 01:59
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No it isn't bad, it just doesn't work with the car as well as the auto IMO
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Jun 19, 2021 02:10
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The shifter has a weird magnetic feeling moving between gears, the stock clutch pedal is soft feeling, clutch doesn't bite right away on release because of the clutch delay valve, and the ecu has rev hang programmed in
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Jun 19, 2021 03:12
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Are you all telling me not to get the manual?
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Jun 19, 2021 03:14
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If you're planning to stay mostly stock, except for maybe a jb4 or something, then get a stick if you want. I don't regret going manual at all. If you plan to go with bolt ons and a tune the dsg can better handle the power and is overall faster.
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Jun 19, 2021 04:24
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Ok Comboomer posted:Are you all telling me not to get the manual? That's not an uncommon thing among GTI owners. Drive both if you can. The DSG is really fun. Plus if you get the 6sp instead of the 7sp you get DSG farts.
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Jun 19, 2021 04:24
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With all this said, does the same ring true for an R?
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Jun 19, 2021 04:35
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try both and pick which one you like more the dsg is really quick, especially if you get a tune for the ECU and dsg.
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Jun 19, 2021 04:38
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prom candy posted:I love the DSG in my GTI, although I was never the best at driving stick anyway, but coming from a manual I don't miss it at all. Also if a GTI is what you want then just get one, don't be an idiot like me and get something you think is more practical just to trade it in a few years later for a GTI. I disagree about the DSG, but the second part is big agree. Buying the ‘sensible’ ‘reasonable’ ‘practical’ mazda3 hatch with an auto instead of a FoST made me very sad and 3 years later got so tired of seeing it I sold it. If you care about cars enough to post ITT you will regret not getting something that at least makes you a little heart racing, makes you want to look back at it when you park.
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Jun 19, 2021 06:26
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The DSG is very good and (slightly) faster. However, I don’t care about eeking out a slight performance difference since I don’t live on the track. Rowing my own makes me happy and having driven an auto with flappy paddles for a year I realized I hated it, no matter how good it was. The GTI shifter is fine. I had an NC Miata and it was great. Is the GTI’s as good? No, but it’s not bad, either.
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Jun 19, 2021 10:42
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Is the mk7 shifter much different than the mk6? I had a 6 speed Mk6 GTI and the shifter seemed fine, especially after I switched it out to the OEM Audi short shifter. I really miss that car. Mk6 GTI with an APR stage I tune was fantastic as a DD, although apparently the mk7s have tune/clutch issues. Out of curiosity, how much is a clutch fix to never think about it again?
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My mk6 GTI driver seatbelt connector has been having some issues lately. Sometimes even after clicking in it can just pop back out. I've skirted the issue by just giving it a tug to confirm it's actually engaged, but the problem seems to be getting worse. Is there any way to fix this, or should I just get a new one for like 80 bucks? Obviously I'd prefer to save some money and fix it, but seatbelts are kinda important and I'm not looking to half rear end something like that
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