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BigglesSWE posted:Time for a lot of smug conservative politicians to clutch their pearls in live television harping about the importance of the democracy and that Löfven simply has to resign. A snap election after summer will be wild. Will L pass 4%? Will MP pass 4%? Will V get more support or less as they'll be blamed for the election happining at all? Or, since we're Swedes, will we just go from one weak minority government to another, though right wing this time? Guess we'll finally find out what misery a KD+M+SD government can bring on a national level.
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It’s a real conundrum. I think V is unquestionably in the right, but I cannot bear to think the absolute hammering our institutions and laws will take under a M/SD government. Best case scenario is that if SD finally finds themselves managing the country, big swathes of voters will finally understand how utterly incompetent and bad they are for literally anything that doesn’t end with “brown people bad”. But I find it unlikely; instead, like true Swedes, we will all assume “it’s all the same” while the commercialization of society goes into high gear.
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Dirk Pitt posted:KD back Vänster in the vote of no confidence :popcorn: A S one? We don’t necessarily get a new election if the vote of no confidence goes through, if I remember correctly the speaker will talk with the party leaders to see if a new coalition can be formed without an election. So depending on desperate some parties are, we might end up with the same coalition after the vote of no confidence. There will be a new election next year regardless and there is a limited amount of things one can do in one year. Also, S would really really like to set the budget for next year in preparation for the election.
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Jun 17, 2021 13:35
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Ultimately I think few parties want a new election on this short notice (especially not L and MP). Forcing a new election right after a regular one is sexy and cool for any opposition party (thus the attempts back in 2018). But now? Not likely to whip up a lot of excitement with the voters.
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Cardiac posted:A S one? Yeah the talman will get to try to see if there's a possible government again, just like after last election. So reasonably they'll do it like last time, first M will get a shot, the riksdag will vote, then S will get a shot, and so on until the talman declares that there are no options left that have a chance to pass a vote in the riksdag. If the party leaders decide that they don't think there is a way forward without a snap election, this progress could be quicker than last time. And as pointed out, both MP and L should be very scared of a snap election, and especially L are in a place where they might be punished by their electorate no matter what they do now. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Jun 17, 2021 |
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L likely banked on the voters cooling off/forgetting about their power move by the fall of next year, coupled with the usual support votes from M voters. A sudden, surprise election with barely any time to whip up some catchy voting slogans (who can forget the classic “feminism utan socialism!”?) they’d stand to lose big time, as in, kicked the gently caress out. I doubt even M would like that. Buuuuut on the other hand, Kristersson is so goddamn rock hard for that PM position so I can see him jump through literally any and all hoops to make that happen, even if it were to last only a year.
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BigglesSWE posted:L likely banked on the voters cooling off/forgetting about their power move by the fall of next year, coupled with the usual support votes from M voters. A sudden, surprise election with barely any time to whip up some catchy voting slogans (who can forget the classic “feminism utan socialism!”?) they’d stand to lose big time, as in, kicked the gently caress out. I doubt even M would like that. Kristersson has no love lost for a party that joined the centre-left coalition and made him look like a complete failure after the election, when he declared that there was no other possible way forward than him being prime minister.
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lilljonas posted:Yeah the talman will get to try to see if there's a possible government again, just like after last election. So reasonably they'll do it like last time, first M will get a shot, the riksdag will vote, then S will get a shot, and so on until the talman declares that there are no options left that have a chance to pass a vote in the riksdag. If the party leaders decide that they don't think there is a way forward without a snap election, this progress could be quicker than last time. Which means we can end up in exactly the same place as we are now, since the mandates are the same. One should remember that the ruling coalition don’t need to have a majority, just not the majority against it. Maybe this is how we get Annie Lööf as prime minister in a coalition with S,V,L and MP. Also L is hosed regardless what they do.
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Ulla Østergaard, whom you might remember from such controversies as having raw tapes of an angry Lars Løkke deleted and apologising to him for a journalist asking a tough question, has "left TV2 of her own accord" after getting caught manipulating Greenland's elections with an entirely made up story about a leftist candidate's corruption, that she personally pushed through despite being warned about her source.
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SplitSoul posted:Ulla Østergaard, whom you might remember from such controversies as having raw tapes of an angry Lars Løkke deleted and apologising to him for a journalist asking a tough question, has "left TV2 of her own accord" after getting caught manipulating Greenland's elections with an entirely made up story about a leftist candidate's corruption, that she personally pushed through despite being warned about her source. How much was she paid for doing so? Also, which think-tank/media consultant firm is picking up her contract?
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thotsky posted:How much was she paid for doing so? Also, which think-tank/media consultant firm is picking up her contract? Probably nothing, she's the daughter of a Conservative former minister, is married to a former spin doctor for both Venstre and the Conservatives who was implicated in the leaking of Helle Thorning's tax records, and was herself a spin doctor for Lars Løkke before she became editor of TV2 News.
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BigglesSWE posted:It’s a real conundrum. I think V is unquestionably in the right, but I cannot bear to think the absolute hammering our institutions and laws will take under a M/SD government. Lmao if you think anything bad happening due to complete incompetence won't be turned into "it's because of the brown people" with SD in charge. It would be funny if Sweden beat Denmark to having the racist party in charge (Danish S doesn't count as the racist party for ...I wanna say historical reasons?). As far as Danish LA and RV cozying up, it's worth remembering that LA is basically an offshoot of RV. The original point of LA was to be purely liberal with no opinion on racism, where RV was always pretty decent about not being explicitly racist, just liberal.
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SplitSoul posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhh Don't be an rear end, we all know what the deal is. If we have to qualify all our references instead of using the most convenient shorthand to describe something, every post ITT would be a wall of text. But just to satisfy your barely verbalized demand for a shibboleth: Socialdemokraterne are a bunch of racist neoliberals that take the support of the working class voters for granted and will say or do anything to retain power. Their elected leadership hasn't been anywhere near leftwing since at least the 70's, with maybe a few (partial) exceptions.
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jeebus bob posted:Don't be an rear end, we all know what the deal is. If we have to qualify all our references instead of using the most convenient shorthand to describe something, every post ITT would be a wall of text.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Just write “center-left”. The artist formerly known as liberal
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In Sweden Spotify and Klarna have been asked to provide input on the rent control and market rent inquiry report.quote:Hässleholm Municipality - Hässleholms kommun quote:National Board of Health and Welfare - Socialstyrelsen https://www.regeringen.se/49c4f3/co...-sou-202150.pdf Why?
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ted hitler hunter posted:In Sweden Spotify and Klarna have been asked to provide input on the rent control and market rent inquiry report. It's dumb but I think Spotify has been whiny about housing one time since it made it more difficult to attract employees or something. It's by far the weirdest of the two. Klarna is so heavily used for billing by everyone, including municipalities, that they might have access to some useful data.
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LO isn't on that list and I'm only counting two unions otherwise. Nice one, S.
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Zudgemud posted:It's dumb but I think Spotify has been whiny about housing one time since it made it more difficult to attract employees or something. It's by far the weirdest of the two. Both of these are on the list because they have a vested interest in making Stockholm's housing market more like San Francisco's. They're by far the biggest applicants for work visas for "specialists" (read: fart app developers) with very high salaries, and they want to be able to just throw VC money at the problem of housing them. They're there to enthusiastically endorse the proposal.
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TheFluff posted:Both of these are on the list because they have a vested interest in making Stockholm's housing market more like San Francisco's. They're by far the biggest applicants for work visas for "specialists" (read: fart app developers) with very high salaries, and they want to be able to just throw VC money at the problem of housing them. They're there to enthusiastically endorse the proposal. Well, yes, but that was most likely not the official reason for putting them on the list.
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So apparently in Sweden you can get vaccinated now at any age if you just say that you belong to a risk group. They take it completely on faith and pretty much everyone I know got vaccinated by just lying about belonging to one of these groups. I'm not going to do it because 30 years down the line I don't want to be the person who pretty much snagged a child to get on a lifeboat on the titanic. But I feel like this situation is absolutely going to delay my vaccination date and I will be so pissed if I catch covid and get horribly disabled as a result.
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Feliday Melody posted:So apparently in Sweden you can get vaccinated now at any age if you just say that you belong to a risk group. Eh, down here in Skåne they went from 50-59 to 35+ in two weeks. Got my shot yesterday where the whole process took two minutes going in and out (including getting my time for shot 2 and then 15 min waiting around after). IMO they should just have opened the vaccinations for everyone once 65+ and prio groups were done. For many people, getting the shot seemed more a question about coordinating with their vacations (given the 6 week window for Pfizer).
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Cardiac posted:Eh, down here in Skåne they went from 50-59 to 35+ in two weeks. Got my shot yesterday where the whole process took two minutes going in and out (including getting my time for shot 2 and then 15 min waiting around after). We're down to 45+ in Västra Götaland and 18-44 ish for risk groups.
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I actually kinda like the Danish version, where we do it by age, but if you're okay with getting a Johnson or Astrazeneca you can skip the line. I totally got my Johnson too, without feeling like a cheater.
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BonHair posted:I actually kinda like the Danish version, where we do it by age, but if you're okay with getting a Johnson or Astrazeneca you can skip the line. You might need an mRNA booster down the road in case it performs as poorly against variants as AZ. I'm not sure I agree with the decision to make them voluntary against the advice of literally everyone, but I get the argument.
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SplitSoul posted:You might need an mRNA booster down the road in case it performs as poorly against variants as AZ. I'm not sure I agree with the decision to make them voluntary against the advice of literally everyone, but I get the argument. I don't mind getting a booster, I just want to be part of the herd immunity sooner rather than later. And hopefully we won't have limited supplies anymore from like winter. I also think that the American and European health authorities said the vaccines were safe enough. Along with a bunch of other countries.
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BonHair posted:I don't mind getting a booster, I just want to be part of the herd immunity sooner rather than later. And hopefully we won't have limited supplies anymore from like winter.
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Feliday Melody posted:We're down to 45+ in Västra Götaland and 18-44 ish for risk groups.
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BonHair posted:I don't mind getting a booster, I just want to be part of the herd immunity sooner rather than later. And hopefully we won't have limited supplies anymore from like winter. The reason they nixed it was because it would put more people at risk than it could potentially save with cases being what they were, now with the added problem of lower efficacy against variants. They were reintroduced as a purely political decision disregarding GPs, patient orgs, etc. Herd immunity only becomes possible at 80% with Delta, if we ever reach that it'll be well into next year, God only knows what's in store for us between now and then.
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BonHair posted:Lmao if you think anything bad happening due to complete incompetence won't be turned into "it's because of the brown people" with SD in charge.
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Omg, Annie Lööfs condescending bullshit makes me so goddamn angry.
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Lööf is doing the same poo poo Juholt got poo poo for. However, she lacks any and all grandpa charisma . In essence Sweden is complicated
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But we (four parties of which two might end up below riksdagsspärren) had a deal!  loving hilarious to hear Lööf go on about their love for the Swedish model. It's a torturer's love for their favourite victim.
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Poil posted:Think they're going to drop to 35+ next time? Whenever that is.
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lol tell me that journalist shouting at Nooshi wasn't doing a racism. Has any party leader ever been treated like that at a parliamentary press briefing.
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Collateral Damage posted:Stockholm is doing people born -86 and earlier as of a week ago. They've been increasing the age span by 5 years every 10 days or so, so it's going pretty quick. 
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MiddleOne posted:lol tell me that journalist shouting at Nooshi wasn't doing a racism. Has any party leader ever been treated like that at a parliamentary press briefing. Was it a SVT reporter? I feel they sometimes have an obsession to be extra harsh against leftist politicans due to the whole "SVT is leftist propagande" thing that people keep harping on.
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Yeah, that reporter's behaviour seemed inappropriate — especially in light of the lowball questions that L & L got. Anyone know who the journo is?
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Poil posted:Thanks. Isn't Västragötaland among if not the worst at it though? What a time to be born -85.
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BigglesSWE posted:Was it a SVT reporter? I feel they sometimes have an obsession to be extra harsh against leftist politicans due to the whole "SVT is leftist propagande" thing that people keep harping on. More an obsession versus anything threatening the ruling S coalition. In other news, it is popcorn time.
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