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Dawgstar posted:"Why do you want <inferior thing> because we have <superior thing> at home." I hope you didn’t hurt yourself.
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thats not how the "we have x at home" meme works
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you don't need memes that harken back to commonly shared experiences. we have memes that don't have any reason to be set up that way at home
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Red posted:Vinnie promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvERBWwx-1E loving lol
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Is Stranglemania the best (funniest) JCW show freely available online? I've seen the first 20 minutes and it's hilarious. I'm getting together with some casual wrestling fan friends and that show is currently my top pick to watch, are there any other strong contestants I should consider? Also, good JCW drinking game rules??? 
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IGgy IGsen posted:Yes it was a problem, for me at least. It's great if it's not for you. Oh, I wouldn't have been thrilled for some of the same reasons you just outlined, but 'Barnett is too old to work a program with one of the best workers in the biz' just seemed a very odd line of reasoning when there were a bunch of other problems and Barnett's been working regularly the last few years with some well-respected wrestlers like Mox.
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Jun 23, 2021 03:02
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Has there ever been a time where a wrestler had a serious but not match-ending injury that the announcers fully acknowledge while the match went to the planned finish? Mankind/Undertaker HiaC doesn't count because that was mostly on purpose; I've heard a lot about HHH finishing a match with a torn quad but I don't know if the announcers said anything or even noticed. Kind of an obtuse question but it came to me in a haze.
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Some things that come to mind - Matt Hardy (I think) concussed himself real badly during an aew show and they continued the match - Sexxxy Eddy was rushed to the hospital after his match at ToD 3 after he knicked an artery and was gushing blood My first thought was the Ganso bomb happening because Kawada broke his arm on Misawas face and continued the match, although no idea if the commentators mentioned it
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Jun 23, 2021 06:29
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From information that has been released, Hardy was not concussed (had MRI and CT scans later and was apparently okay) although the match should have absolutely been stopped.
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Jun 23, 2021 11:45
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What did the announce team do when Nash tore his quad on RAW?
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Lamuella posted:From information that has been released, Hardy was not concussed (had MRI and CT scans later and was apparently okay) although the match should have absolutely been stopped. Yeah, even leaving aside the bad vibes not knowing whethe Matt was OK or not, just going straight to the finish made it a dogshit match in general.
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Gaz-L posted:Oh, I wouldn't have been thrilled for some of the same reasons you just outlined, but 'Barnett is too old to work a program with one of the best workers in the biz' just seemed a very odd line of reasoning when there were a bunch of other problems and Barnett's been working regularly the last few years with some well-respected wrestlers like Mox. Barnett is a guy from the Inokiism era, even if he is not actually a thousand years old, he feels like a relic from a lost time because he is a relic from a lost time. Also this was literally from before Bartlett was left to get his credit back by running the bloodsport shows.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What did the announce team do when Nash tore his quad on RAW?
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I also want to add that the whole debacle would have been prevented if NJPW had either a) done something to secure the ringside barricades better or b) called an audible and told everyone no Irish whips into the barricade. From the first match on it was apparent that the Cow Palace barricades were not secured like the ones NJPW regularly used. They were shifting all over the place when people went into them. I was about 10 rows back and it was readily apparent
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Jun 23, 2021 23:08
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Has anyone else used the Coffin Drop? I really enjoy Darby yeeting himself at people.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has there ever been a time where a wrestler had a serious but not match-ending injury that the announcers fully acknowledge while the match went to the planned finish? Mankind/Undertaker HiaC doesn't count because that was mostly on purpose; I've heard a lot about HHH finishing a match with a torn quad but I don't know if the announcers said anything or even noticed. The HHH/Austin vs. Jericho/Benoit match? Nope; it's really obvious what happened when you watch a video, but it wasn't obvious in the arena at the time and neither JR or Heyman said a word about the injury. It's kind of awful watching HHH climb up onto the announcer table for a pedigree and when Jericho reverses it into the Walls, whew.
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Thanlis posted:It's kind of awful watching HHH climb up onto the announcer table for a pedigree and when Jericho reverses it into the Walls, whew.
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Jun 24, 2021 01:11
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Jericho said HHH audible'd the Walls
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Jun 24, 2021 01:14
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HHH did this twice: he injured himself during a tag with HBK against Edge and Orton.
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Jun 24, 2021 06:05
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has there ever been a time where a wrestler had a serious but not match-ending injury that the announcers fully acknowledge while the match went to the planned finish? Mankind/Undertaker HiaC doesn't count because that was mostly on purpose; I've heard a lot about HHH finishing a match with a torn quad but I don't know if the announcers said anything or even noticed. Maybe the Lesnar/Holly match where Lesnar broke Hollys neck? Or the Angle/Holly match where Angle broke Hollys arm? Or the match where Balor become universal champion?
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Jun 24, 2021 06:19
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There's been plenty of cases where a heel turn has really allowed a wrestler find their stride and become significantly better and more popular. What notable examples are there of face turn doing the same? I'm thinking specifically of a wrestler who was struggling as a heel, not someone already popular becoming even more so now that the fans are encouraged to like them.
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Bret Hart certainly wasn’t struggling as a heel in his early days at WWF, but he didn’t become a big deal until he turned face
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Kzy was a middling heel loss post until his turn, where he started getting over as the scrappy underdog with flash pins and now is a credible main eventer
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I think Taichi slowly becoming face during the 2019 G1 (to the point where the crowd was entirely behind him during his last G1 match against Ishii) was what made me become a fan. He used to be such a little poo poo, now he's an incredibly fiery babyface who covers it up by acting like a little poo poo
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Jun 24, 2021 09:23
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Too Cool becoming dancing faces instead of jobber heels did a lot for their popularity.
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Would Batista count? IIRC He was basically a standard big muscle bodyguard without personality until he turned against HHH. Not really struggling, but guys in that kind of role tend to disappear after 6-12 months and at least to me it felt like he jumped from meh to Top Star in a couple of weeks. Kennel fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jun 24, 2021 |
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Jun 24, 2021 09:30
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Toru Yano turned face and it turned out he was a comedy genius
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Kennel posted:Would Batista count? IIRC He was basically a standard big muscle bodyguard without personality until he turned against HHH. A lot of that was because they were pushing for the very green and very unlikeable Randy Orton to be the foil to Triple H out of the Evolution split and Batista was just in the background being effortlessly cool while Orton was being a tryhard dork week after week. The fans latched on to him in desperation to avoid face Orton vs HHH at Wrestlemania and we wound up with the Batista instant mega-push because they actually listened to the fans and didn't try to punish him for getting over. What a thought.
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Suleman posted:What notable examples are there of face turn doing the same? I'm thinking specifically of a wrestler who was struggling as a heel, not someone already popular becoming even more so now that the fans are encouraged to like them. Diamond Dallas Page, random midcard heel for years in WCW, turns face against the nWo and is suddenly extremely over
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Saul Goode posted:A lot of that was because they were pushing for the very green and very unlikeable Randy Orton to be the foil to Triple H out of the Evolution split and Batista was just in the background being effortlessly cool while Orton was being a tryhard dork week after week. The fans latched on to him in desperation to avoid face Orton vs HHH at Wrestlemania and we wound up with the Batista instant mega-push because they actually listened to the fans and didn't try to punish him for getting over. What a thought.
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Majinfoose posted:Has anyone else used the Coffin Drop? Shotzi Blackheart does it sometimes but she's even less safe than Darby.
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Nick Jr. Face posted:I feel like they stopped listening to the fans once the Network started, which was long after Batista's initial push in the mid-aughts That makes sense. There's no reason to listen to the fans if you no longer have to sell each individual PPV.
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Suleman posted:What notable examples are there of face turn doing the same? I'm thinking specifically of a wrestler who was struggling as a heel, not someone already popular becoming even more so now that the fans are encouraged to like them. Steve Austin sort of counts, in that the Stone Cold gimmick that eventually turned him face was a huge improvement from his terrible heel Ringmaster gimmick.
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Suleman posted:There's been plenty of cases where a heel turn has really allowed a wrestler find their stride and become significantly better and more popular. I feel like Razor Ramon is borderline. When they initially brought him in, he got a pretty big heel push. He was thrown into the Flair/Warrior/Savage angle and got a PPV title match. Then he just floundered for six months where the only thing of note for him was a meaningless 3-minute win over Bob Backlund at WrestleMania. Then he had that huge upset loss to the 1-2-3 Kid. In the follow-up, he was treated as a laughing stock (while still not jobbing him out, at least) and it was Money Inc antagonizing him that springboarded him into being a popular face.
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The circumstances are obviously different, but struggling environmentalist heel CJ Parker transforming into mega-face Juice Robinson might count.
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Edge and Christian were pretty boring as Brood/Ministry minions until they ditched Gangrel and did their thing with the Hardys and Dudleys. But then they went heel again with the 5-second pose thing and got even more popular.
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Sting was pretty much just the muscle for Eddie Gilbert until he turned face and was booked in squash matches that really got him over
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Suleman posted:There's been plenty of cases where a heel turn has really allowed a wrestler find their stride and become significantly better and more popular. Gavok posted:I feel like Razor Ramon is borderline. When they initially brought him in, he got a pretty big heel push. He was thrown into the Flair/Warrior/Savage angle and got a PPV title match. Then he just floundered for six months where the only thing of note for him was a meaningless 3-minute win over Bob Backlund at WrestleMania. Then he had that huge upset loss to the 1-2-3 Kid. In the follow-up, he was treated as a laughing stock (while still not jobbing him out, at least) and it was Money Inc antagonizing him that springboarded him into being a popular face. Razor is a great example; looking back, I'm not sure exactly, why, he of all people was paired up with Flair at Survivor Series, or why they thought he might draw as a villain against Bret at the Royal Rumble. Gimmick wise, he was still at the level of cartoony/gimmicky villain - he was a caricature. Imagine pushing Big Bully Busick, Professor Dean Douglas, or Country Star Double J Jeff Jarrett seriously. Oh
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Price Check posted:The circumstances are obviously different, but struggling environmentalist heel CJ Parker transforming into mega-face Juice Robinson might count. That was using the old-school trick of changing territories, he was CJ Parker and basically that character until he left the ‘E.
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