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Well, as these things go, I guess "picking up one of his 800,000 unfinished projects" is a slight step above "Netflix stand-up special sticking it to the SJWs" in terms of how to get back into people's good graces* but I guess we'll have to see how the scripts turn out * As well as being far, far, below "an actual loving apology and relevant charity benefit work", of course
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Jun 23, 2021 21:08
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Given the autobiographical nature of much of Ellis's work, his stress-related health issues in the last few years, and his tendency to write incredibly psychologically brittle characters in a lot of his recent fiction, I'd think it'd be a lot more likely for his next original project to be basically self-flagellation. I just don't know where it'd show up, since Avatar doesn't print much of anything anymore.
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Jun 23, 2021 22:35
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Image is still publishing him.
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Jun 23, 2021 22:43
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Jun 24, 2021 11:22
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Fell and Desolation Jones were the two of my favorite works of Ellis, of which I used to be a big fan of, but this is a bit too little, too late. Dude is not only a creep, but he hasn't finished a comic book project of note in the last 15 years. I give Fell relaunch a handful of issues before he blames lack of progress on his artist/co-creator, like he did last time.
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Jun 24, 2021 21:33
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Putrid Grin posted:Fell and Desolation Jones were the two of my favorite works of Ellis, of which I used to be a big fan of, but this is a bit too little, too late. He never blamed Templesmith for Fell falling off, he blamed a computer failure.
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Jun 24, 2021 22:36
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Skwirl posted:He never blamed Templesmith for Fell falling off, he blamed a computer failure. The same one that killed New Universal right?
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Jun 24, 2021 22:40
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Vince MechMahon posted:The same one that killed New Universal right? Probably.
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Jun 24, 2021 22:44
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Skwirl posted:He never blamed Templesmith for Fell falling off, he blamed a computer failure. He blamed Ramon Villalobos for the Wild Storm spin-off that was supposed to come out a couple years ago. (Seems like Ramon ran late and tried to make it right, not really sure what all transpired as it was he said/he said.)
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Jun 24, 2021 23:12
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Let's see where this goes. https://twitter.com/dorkland/status/1408193847893663754?s=20
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Jun 24, 2021 23:53
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Uthor posted:Let's see where this goes. That's something at least. I mean, I'm sure he only did this because there's talk of boycotts and likely pressure from Image about whether or not they're gonna keep publishing him, but it's possible something good could come from this.
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Jun 24, 2021 23:58
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He could have just been taking some time to figure out his next move. All this came out following his most commercial success after all. He probably had the money for it.
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Jun 24, 2021 23:59
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Vince MechMahon posted:The same one that killed New Universal right? Also killed Doctor Sleepless.
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He just sent out a newsletter and I am pasting it below with no commentary from myself. There are a handful of urls that did not copy over as I'm on my phone (the So Many of Us website and a link to his original statement). quote:I was made aware today of the So Many Of Us collective's offer of a mediated dialogue, and have today asked their permission to enter that dialogue. Where that will take us, I’m not sure, but I know I want to make certain that I’m doing all I can to no longer be part of the problem or in any way still perpetuating the past. I hope these conversations will be ongoing and productive for all.
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Jun 25, 2021 00:37
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If that is sincere it seems a good place to start to me.
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Jun 25, 2021 00:51
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Skwirl posted:He never blamed Templesmith for Fell falling off, he blamed a computer failure. I vividly remember him stating on several occasions that Templesmith has a script but is busy with better paying work. Considering how many projects he abandoned, maybe I am getting projects mixed up.
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Jun 25, 2021 03:22
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The fact that he's doing this the day after the announcement of his return to comics is a sure sign of it being just to cover his and/or images rear end
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I kinda like, assuming it's sincere, that he went into therapy over it. He's struck me as having some mental health issues for quite a while, like how 90% of his protagonists are violently self-loathing.
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Therapy is great and when I think of all the men of my life who I didn't like having around me I think therapy would have profoundly benefited like 85% of them.
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How Wonderful! posted:Therapy is great and when I think of all the men of my life who I didn't like having around me I think therapy would have profoundly benefited like 85% of them. It would have most likely benefited 0% of them because it doesn't work unless you want to make a change. And sadly usually the people who most should change have no interest in doing so. I hope Ellis is sincere about wanting to.
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Putrid Grin posted:I vividly remember him stating on several occasions that Templesmith has a script but is busy with better paying work. That was earlier delays, and I don't think he was blaming Templesmith, the financial set-up for Fell was specifically trying to produce a comic for 2 bucks, and all the money came after the book was published, he was just acknowledging that sometimes someone has to pay the bills. Templesmith also had poo poo that paid him upfront and had hard deadlines, not just a weird thought experiment from Warren Ellis. The book being cancelled unfinished was (according to Ellis) because of a hard drive failure. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jun 25, 2021 |
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Jun 25, 2021 21:49
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That's certainly for the best. I want to read the rest of Fell, but I'd much rather Warren Ellis make proper amends first.
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Jun 25, 2021 22:06
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I guess they underestimated the scale of the backlash. Good for them for doing the right thing after enormous social pressure was applied.
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Squidster posted:I guess they underestimated the scale of the backlash. Good for them for doing the right thing after enormous social pressure was applied. Which makes the times they didn’t and haven’t done the right thing all the more glaring https://twitter.com/TessFowler/status/1408534443464171522?s=20
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Jun 25, 2021 22:59
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Re: Rob Liefeld I saw somewhere that said he's started to pick up an alt-right following?
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Good for him!
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Dawgstar posted:Re: Rob Liefeld I saw somewhere that said he's started to pick up an alt-right following?
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Jun 26, 2021 15:40
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I got rid of all my Ellis stuff except my Planetary Absolutes for sentimental reasons but now I think those are out the door too. Am I a hypocrite given I still have my League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ones?
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:I got rid of all my Ellis stuff except my Planetary Absolutes for sentimental reasons but now I think those are out the door too. Am I a hypocrite given I still have my League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ones? There's certainly questions to be asked about Moore's use of rape as a plot device, but to the best of my knowledge no one has accused him of any sexual impropriety in real life.
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Dawgstar posted:Re: Rob Liefeld I saw somewhere that said he's started to pick up an alt-right following? He might be getting that from the outrageous person who bought his licenses in a deal that I am shocked was legal. I would not be surprised if the Alt-Right saw kinship in that individual's inane ramblings, perhaps even a mentor or leader figure, but associated the brand ultimately with the original creator.
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Skwirl posted:There's certainly questions to be asked about Moore's use of rape as a plot device, but to the best of my knowledge no one has accused him of any sexual impropriety in real life. I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Moore on that level. I spoke briefly with Neil Gaiman at a thing once and his name came up, and him and his ex wife both started going off about how much of a sweetheart he is.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I've never heard anyone say anything bad about Moore on that level. I spoke briefly with Neil Gaiman at a thing once and his name came up, and him and his ex wife both started going off about how much of a sweetheart he is. That's sorta what I figured, people call him a pedophile because of Lost Girls, but he married the (age appropriate adult) woman who illustrated it.
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Yeah, as uncomfortable as I am with the rape and underage elements of his work (I’ve never been able to read Lost Girls) I feel like it’s meant to be awful and uncomfortable*, or in the case of LoEG he’s going for something contemporary. * well he outright said he was going for funny when he introduced the Invisible Man
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Am I a hypocrite given I still have my League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ones? No? Also how one deals with having or reading the works of people who've done bad things is a really really personal ones. I don't have any Ellis comics in my house and I don't watch Polanski movies but like... Céline was an actually nazi, literally convicted for nazi collaboration, but I still own copies of some of his novels because for whatever reason I can make that deal with myself. I teach the philosopher Carl Schmitt quite frequently, not despite of but because of his coziness with fascism in the 30s and 40s-- I think it's one of those things where understanding it from the inside out is useful. One of my favorite poets, Jack Spicer, was a manipulative jerk to almost everyone he ever met and by the time he died alone in the mid-60s there was probably not a gay man from Vancouver to San Francisco who did not think he was a complete rear end in a top hat, but to me that does not compromise the beauty and the difficulty of his poetry. I mean, even in terms of comics I happily thumb through my Fletcher Hanks books whenever I notice them sitting there on the shelf. It's normal and reasonable to say "on a gut level, knowing that this person has hurt and abused others makes me uncomfortable with having his stuff in my home" or even more reasonably "I do not want to put $$ in such a person's wallet by buying their stuff anymore" but art is loving complicated, the process of reading and loving something is loving complicated. Planetary meant a lot to me. It hurt like hell to feel like a text that made me feel like its author was in some vicarious way reaching out to me and seeing me through the page was actually not who I thought he was, or who I wanted him to be. And even though I made the personal decision to ditch all my issues of Planetary that doesn't mean I'm a bad person for having that intense, intimate connection to the work and it doesn't make you a bad person either if you decide to ditch or hang on to anything by anybody for whatever reason. Also more to the point-- I don't think Alan Moore has done anything wrong except really make some ill-judged choices about how to deploy certain motifs in his work. Which I think is endemic to any artist with ambitious scopes. You shoot high, sometimes you miss. Sometimes you blast a hole in your own foot. That doesn't make him a monster, it makes him, depending on how charitable you're wont to be, either an ambitious but imperfect creator, or a reclusive white guy in his late 60s.
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Moore is, by all accounts, a homebody. He barely interacts with fans (hell, he barely interacts with his publishers and collaborators), he just hangs around his giant spoopy house in Northampton reading old grimoires and banging away at his word processor (oh, and smoking hella weed). He spends zero time cultivating groupies or preying on bright young things trying to break into the business or looking to take advantage of someone in the bar at the convention bar because he almost never leaves his house. As other people have pointed out, there is a lot in his work that is problematic and has aged badly, but his actual personal behavior is hard to fault.
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Moore is super nice when he does meet and greets, like at small libraries with a couple dozen locals. He was molested as a child by a schoolteacher who preyed on many other children, too. If Moore is working through any weird feelings about sex through his comics as a result, and he's not hurting anyone or trying to groom teenagers or any of that tired narcissistic poo poo aging men do, I give him a free pass.
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Edge & Christian posted:Do you remember where you saw this? One of the responses to people talking about Marvel working with him again. It's possible some of them just latched onto Liefeld as an example of "injustice" or whatever and nothing he did specifically.
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Rob had some lovely opinions during the election of I'm remembering correctly. Nothing directly related to it, but he was saying some CHUD adjacent poo poo. I don't recall any specifics though.
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