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LeeMajors posted:I’ve done a fair bit of online browsing since the last time you said this, and it appears a brief vertical hold is fine? Yeah sorry that wasn't meant in a mean way. Yours was just the most recent post with them. I try to bring it up over and over because people miss it somehow. Here's the current info on lip holds and damage: https://www.wired2fish.com/biology/what-happens-when-you-hold-a-bass/ Edit: sniping for healthier fish. Edit 2: I have hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome so I feel this quote from the article: ""For humans, spraining an ankle, dislocating a shoulder or any other soft tissue injury can take a much longer time to repair and recover from than a clean break of a bone. In fact, these injuries can increase the potential for reinjury and, in many cases, cause further instability. Desert Bus fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Double post and also something that comes up over and over. I need a Bluegill rod. Watching other people catch all the fish I've grown out is making me envious. I need a rod, a reel, bobbers, weights, circle hooks, and a container of the fake grubs they hit like crack (can't recall the brand i'll know it when I see it.) I already own a pocketknife and needlenose pliers. Am I forgetting anything? Please tell me what to buy Goons! I wanna catch some fish. Thanks. Also, as a reminder, this pond is catch & release and I've been feeding it for years. Lotta Bluegill up to 8", Largemouth up to 4lb, and Bullheads up to 10". I don't know what the Bass population is like, I've only seen 2 caught in the last 10 years, 1 4" about 7 years ago and the 4lb one last year. The Bullheads join in the feeding so their population should be robust. Bluegill you toss your line in and usually get a bite immediately. They are vast in number, voracious, and they're only going to get bigger. According to a friend of mine fishing here feels like cheating. I think it feels like fun. 
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Jun 26, 2021 11:27
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Desert Bus posted:Yeah sorry that wasn't meant in a mean way. Yours was just the most recent post with them. I try to bring it up over and over because people miss it somehow. Here's the current info on lip holds and damage: No worries, I didn't think you were being mean I just thought it was weird you never said anything to anyone else. By the way your linked article still concludes completely vertical holds are ok.  Thanks for bringing it up though--I think we need to be having these discussions to make sure we are being humane stewards of wildlife. The fish I post are held vertically for like 10 seconds while I unhook and photograph them--then they go straight back home.
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Jun 26, 2021 12:55
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Being quick about it seems to be key. I just see all these pictures of vertical holds and my brain pictures the fish deciding to thrash around causing the damage to itself. They're strong for their size, pretty dumb, and don't like being out of the water for some reason. I realize it's OK, I realize it probably works best in some situations, but it still makes me nervous.
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Jun 26, 2021 13:22
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Speaking of... When i catch a fish im going to keep i dispatch it as fast as possible. Usually bonk its head on the rim of the cooler when im surf fishing. It's so second nature and quick: unhook, bonk, into the ice slurry. Then rebait and cast. Takes seconds. It's brutal but over very fast. When i was a kid fishing for walleye my grandfather showed me that way. What methods do you guys use when keeping a food fish?
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Jun 26, 2021 13:59
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It's a lot easier to get a gentle handle on fish for a photo of you aren't the camera man. I don't like handling fish one handed so if I'm solo I generally don't take pictures or take them from inside the net. https://youtu.be/6iWjJ1Z_YIo&t=36m12s This guy has had me rethink the way I've handled fish, especially when I'm practicing catch and release. It doesn't mean much if you're causing fatal injuries to the fish after all.
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King of Bees posted:Speaking of... When i catch a fish im going to keep i dispatch it as fast as possible. Usually bonk its head on the rim of the cooler when im surf fishing. It's so second nature and quick: unhook, bonk, into the ice slurry. Then rebait and cast. Takes seconds. It's brutal but over very fast. When i was a kid fishing for walleye my grandfather showed me that way. Brain it with a club, cut the gills to bleed it, put on ice as soon as possible.
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Jun 27, 2021 01:32
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:Brain it with a club, cut the gills to bleed it, put on ice as soon as possible. A few breed of freshwater fish just don't taste right until its been bled, so yeah, cutting the gills before putting it on ice is best. My usual cadence is catch, livewell/stringer, cut the girls while putting them on ice, transport home and clean them. I feel like they die so fast after cutting their gills that the rest is pretty pointless and probably worse for them in certain circumstance.
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Sickening posted:A few breed of freshwater fish just don't taste right until its been bled, so yeah, cutting the gills before putting it on ice is best. My usual cadence is catch, livewell/stringer, cut the girls while putting them on ice, transport home and clean them. Maybe bashing them is unnecessary but it feels more humane to me to stun them before cutting gills. I don't like keeping them alive if I know that I'm keeping them. I live in a colder climate than you so that may be a factor in terms of potential for spoilage.
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Jun 27, 2021 02:29
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This may be a no-brainer for you guys but on the off chance someone may need to know this, adding saltwater to your cooler ice not only creates a bath for the fish to be totally submerged in but it's also a lot colder than just plain ice. The faster the chill the better the fillet.
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Jun 27, 2021 02:59
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What species of fish do y'all bleed? I've spent most my life eating prominently walleye and smallies and we just clubbed and filleted them. I've just taken to brook trout which are the first species I've had to gut and clean so that's been a bit of an experience but still no gill cutting. I've only seen it a few times and I gotta admit it makes me a bit squeamish.. Seeing blood squirt out of an artery sure makes me feel a lot more closely related to the poor buggers.
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Jun 27, 2021 03:45
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I always bleed largemouth and smallies as soon as i catch them if I'm keeping them. Bass are already not the most firm or tasty fish, and the faster they bleed out the better. If it's killed quickly and bled the flesh will be paler and more firm. If it struggles and stresses for a few hours before being cleaned or will have mushier flesh that is dark with blood
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Jun 27, 2021 06:18
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 Got a handful of barracuda (  ) yesterday. 3 keepers, you can see the third on the ground towards the bow. To add to keep em cold/bleed em chat, I was keepin my sack in the front bait well, didn't have any bait in it cause just about everyone was doin surface iron. Keepin them cooler even without bleeding them definitely had an effect on how much blood seeped into the meat. Got a couple extra from the bonus box which weren't chilled, and they definitely had more blood in the meat.
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Jun 27, 2021 07:11
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it's such an easy thing to do, I bleed every fish I keep. *snip* *snip* into the bucket, done.
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Jun 27, 2021 18:54
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Math You posted:What species of fish do y'all bleed? I've spent most my life eating prominently walleye and smallies and we just clubbed and filleted them. Mullet and sharks are the two I've bled, but sharks is more sever spinal cord with a sharp knife and then immediately gut and bleed then throw on ice.
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howdy, fishergoons! got a weird question for you people. for context, I: do not fish as a hobby, have only fished a couple of times, and am only loosely familiar w fishing practices, so feel free to explain technical/esoteric stuff as if i were a moron. i'm a long-time metalworker & mechanical designer, and one of my ongoing projects of the past year or so has been developing a hobbyist-friendly, zero-machining-required 'Rapid Tooling' workflow- it makes use of high-resolution resin 3D printing using a high-temp engineering resin meant for plastic injection molding, as well as tin-bismuth low-melting "prototyping alloys" (and potentially electroforming/metal plating down the road), to allow the manufacture of custom short-run molds/tooling extremely quickly and cheaply by typical 'producing production tooling' standards. The original concept was limited to making short-run tooling for sheet metal forming, but the concept works well enough that I'm exploring also directly casting oddball/bespoke functional items using tin-bismuth alloys as well. heres a recent test pour of a new multi-part mold w floating core inserts i was testing recently, to give you an idea what i'm talking about here; only a partial success on this pour, but the two good parts are flawless. screws dont actually make sense to cast as functional parts, i know, but i wanted to see how much fidelity i could get in a tiny detailed part. my printer's build surface is very small so all my tools are appropriately lilliputian, the entire mold is only1.25" inches long at its widest point. the complete mold fits comfortably in the lil lighter pocket on my pants pocket, so i can bring it to interviews to delight hiring managers. it's ridiculous   (i post a lot of crap like this in diy/hobbys' 3d printing and metalworking threads, chekkit) mostly, though, i've struggled to find a legit functional application that accommodates the very small parts and low-melting alloys i'm limited to here, so it's all been arbitrary "proofs of concept" so far. ...enter me running into a spread of boutique metal jig heads today, and realizing i've found A Very Good Application Indeed, but don't know enough about jig fishing to turn out anything useful. so i turn to you good people, and ask: what do you wanna see? what would be cool? if you could materially conjure up any sort of ridiculous fishing widget your heart could desire, just by posting about it, what would it be? i can definitely make jig heads, sinkers, anything that's based on a metal casting with or without an embedded hook/eye loop/etc is in my wheelhouse here. I'm decent w CAD so i can design most anything in my head that isn't an insanely detailed art model-kinda thing, but i can also chop together stuff from free 3d models online, so i could also reasonably make, idk, a jig head with the noggin of michaelangelo's david replacing a plain ball, to pick a stupid example. build me a fancy-boy high-speed-low-drag gimmick jig by thread consensus. whatever good ideas you people have, i'm open to. also: how common/popular is casting your own sinkers/lures, vs. just buying them off the shelf? the molds i can make seem dramatically better in some regards than the existing cast-your-own mass-produced tooling that I've been finding online, which all looks like cast zamak tooling with really rough finishes on the mold cavities, it's a duplicate-of-a-duplicate situation that makes for really rough low-detail parts. my molds can hold far more surface detail, and the overall finish will be much smoother and cleaner. metal molds are definitely more durable/long-lasting, but how many hobbyists are casting hundreds of their own weights? people might actually be more interested in the tooling itself that I can make, vs. the parts, but I don't know the scene. and: what sort of interest, in a broad cross-hobby sense, do you reckon there would there be for something like single-run custom-cast lures to commemorate special events or meet-ups/gatherings, custom monogrammed lures/hardware, that sort of thing? making detailed tooling for something you only want 15 parts of isnt normally ever economical, i would assume- but i can come up with an idea for a part in the morning and have produced the tooling and cast a part using it by dinner. my assumption is that a pastime as Dadly as fishing surely must have a need for Special Commemorative Lures, For Me And The Guys, On Our Special Weekend Away (It Even Has Our Names!) or sth in that neighbourhood Ambrose Burnside fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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my starting negotiation position re: what to design will be "a mold featuring a comprehensive spread of sinker weights, except the weight is a ballsack" please for the love of god help me make something less terrible
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Jun 28, 2021 03:44
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Sign me up for some ball sack jigs!
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Jun 28, 2021 03:53
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 OH MAN IS THIS TRUE. DO THE PEOPLE HUNGER FOR OBSCURE JIG TOOLING also i am reading back a bit in the thread and lmao HenryJLittlefinger posted:Today was a big day for me. I caught my dickspoon grail fish, a chub. of course of course i am retreading goon-trod ground here, with Dick and/or Balls concepts to boot. we are an extremely predictable people. and kudos to A Pack of Kobolds for the dickspoons, natch Ambrose Burnside fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 03:58
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A Pack of Kobolds is the local lead smelting man, he may be able to give you guidance.
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I'm extremely into this and I have kicked the bloated corpse of the tacklecraft thread. e: vv don't even worry about it; the other one had been dormant for a while, and there's always a lot of conversation topic bleedover in the fishergoon community. 
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Jun 28, 2021 05:35
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oh excellent, didn't realize there was a better home for this stuff. i'll stick future updates in there for sure
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Caught my first fish with a fly. It has taken so loving long and I'm so excited about this tiny fish. Dusk at a small lake, no one else around, water like a sheet of glass, rises everywhere. I wet waded up to my knees and the little beauty cutthroat took a dry fly on my third cast. 
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therunningman posted:Caught my first fish with a fly. It has taken so loving long and I'm so excited about this tiny fish. I still remember my first one. A 9" brown twice refused the horrible abomination I was misguidedly throwing before reluctantly taking it. Dumbest fish in the creek.
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Ambrose Burnside posted:my starting negotiation position re: what to design will be "a mold featuring a comprehensive spread of sinker weights, except the weight is a ballsack" You're in the DickSpoon thread my friend. You're safe here. Just make FishNuts a reality and come back. We're Goons, do you REALLY think we won't be interested?
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Made reservations to go fishing out of West Port, WA on Friday. Pretty excited but I got to change my line out from braid to mono due to too many anchoring snags I guess.
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Ambrose Burnside posted:my starting negotiation position re: what to design will be "a mold featuring a comprehensive spread of sinker weights, except the weight is a ballsack" You've wandered into the wrong thread for classy suggestions, friend.
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Nestharken posted:You've wandered into the wrong thread for classy suggestions, friend. Yes hello I recently open-poured soft plastic dicks to use as trailers like pork rinds. We are blazing dicklure trails.
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:Yes hello I recently open-poured soft plastic dicks to use as trailers like pork rinds. We are blazing dicklure trails. So can I buy some paddletails and trout snax?
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gamera009 posted:So can I buy some paddletails and trout snax? Hopefully by the end of the week; real life and heat waves have delayed my usual best intentions. I'm pleased to report that I have collected three different glitters I'm going to use for extra sparkly, though!
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sigh  (still gotta clean the mesh up and create a mold design for it before i can cast any)
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For those of you who use baitcasters, which would you recommend as a first baitcasting reel for someone with a budget of ~$150 to spend on the reel? I was looking at the Daiwa Tatula and the Shimano SLX 150 XT, among others, but wanted more opinions from people who know more about casting reels than myself. Mainly looking to fish for bass, pike, gar, walleye, and maybe some catfish.
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Had my first proper fishing of the summer some weeks ago. Caught a pike from a pond that made for a nice dinner. As for the question how to finish off the fish that get eaten that somebody asked previously, I also use club for the job.
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Ambrose Burnside posted:sigh Lol
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Ventus posted:For those of you who use baitcasters, which would you recommend as a first baitcasting reel for someone with a budget of ~$150 to spend on the reel? I was looking at the Daiwa Tatula and the Shimano SLX 150 XT, among others, but wanted more opinions from people who know more about casting reels than myself. Mainly looking to fish for bass, pike, gar, walleye, and maybe some catfish. The Slx is a great reel. For just a little more you can get the slx dc , which might be the best reel for the money right now.
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I was told by a worker at the local shop here to avoid any non-all metal baitcasters as the other ones will end up breaking after a season or two - I'm not sure how much credence that deserves but it seems logical Is it true fishygoons?
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Slotducks posted:I was told by a worker at the local shop here to avoid any non-all metal baitcasters as the other ones will end up breaking after a season or two - I'm not sure how much credence that deserves but it seems logical I’ll let you know in a year. I’m putting some hard fishing on this little black max combo I picked up a couple months ago.
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Total nonsense. That would only be true if you also use your rod and reel for clubbing seals.
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AngelesXO posted:Had my first proper fishing of the summer some weeks ago. Caught a pike from a pond that made for a nice dinner. As for the question how to finish off the fish that get eaten that somebody asked previously, I also use club for the job. Nice pike!
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Dik Hz posted:Grats!!!! First trout on a dry fly is a huge milestone. Also, ditch the net. You don't need it and it's just another bulky thing to carry. Doubly so if you're wet wading. Thanks! A 9" brown is amazing for a first catch. Brown trout is an introduced species in a few streams around here, I'd love to catch one some time. You're right about the net, I am always a little hesitant to bring it but I found it helpful to gently contain the little guy when removing the hook. Ambrose Burnside posted:sigh ...and now I'm getting excited about gear fishing again.
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