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Athanatos posted:If you think "getting rid of megathreads will let other threads have more space a thrive" I can see that argument. I've made it myself for more often rebooting megathreads. It's an especially odd demand here for it to be closed or moved because the thread in question is rebooted monthly lol, or rather was and we'll see what is done with the chat thread but the Trump thread was killed for no reason and it was back within hours so I don't know what the people calling for its destruction once again expect to happen My take is that it's obviously an inevitability in online spaces like SA, so it should be harness instead of resources spent fruitlessly trying to suppress it
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Azathoth posted:Seems like the kind of behavior you can discourage by handing out punishments for that too. If you think a comedy report is worth a day or a week probe, go for it, but if you wanna skate on it, it better be pretty drat funny. this is a good point. I didn’t consider that, and I like it.
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Athanatos posted:What would changing it's location do? Would hopefully tighten the containment that rask mentioned so we don’t get situations like the dolphin guy making GBS threads up the veganism thread or the various goobers that go into the Glenn thread shitposting lies about him being a conservative or transphobe the scurrying away when called on it. Think back to this very thread when that one goon made a good effort post with stats to back it up and how the posting quality tanked as chat thread folks reacted to it. It’s a lame annoyance that can happen to any thread and better containment might help. Things have gotten a bit better since the thread was gassed then remade and became a bit more insular so my hunch is that it would.
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Jun 26, 2021 20:13
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I'd definitely like a thread where especially stupid reports made by CSPAMers or against us are posted for us to mock and jeer tho. I don't know if this would fix anything but I would find it very funny so I encourage it
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Jun 26, 2021 20:14
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Josh Christ posted:Free benghazi 2 lol
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Jun 26, 2021 20:15
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wasn't the Trump thread originally gotten rid of during the Flavius incident for a reason? it seemed really blatant when they just remade it and called it something else. still the same people in it
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Jun 26, 2021 20:16
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personally if i didn't like a thread or forum i would not post in or read it. that's just my approach and anyone is free to take it or leave it as they see fit.
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Fortaleza posted:Would hopefully tighten the containment that rask mentioned so we don’t get situations like the dolphin guy making GBS threads up the veganism thread or the various goobers that go into the Glenn thread shitposting lies about him being a conservative or transphobe the scurrying away when called on it. You're wrong.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:wasn't the Trump thread original gotten rid of during the Flavius incident for a reason? it seemed really blatant when they just remade it and called it something else. still the same people in it I thought it was officially gassed for the SHM thing, but the original “battle” was when the thread found out it was the subject of a QCS thread and some people had to touch the poop.
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Plinkey posted:this is nostalgia that never existed its possible - ive also changed a lot over that time and im sure that plays into it. however, the chats threads and the trump thread in particular flooded this forum with people who not only had no actual political ideas or ideals, but aren't interested in developing any. its just aesthetics and spectator sport - noise - and its tiresome. that poo poo doesn't belong as a primary thread focus in a political forum. they can have the exact same conversations about their rgb funko pops or whatever the gently caress they talk about in the chat forum, where no one will mistakenly open the thread expecting a discussion of anti-capitalist politics
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Jun 26, 2021 20:18
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Josh Christ posted:Free benghazi 2 lol but also, given they reregged and were posting for months without issues, they could probably be unperma'd without much trouble
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croup coughfield posted:its possible - ive also changed a lot over that time and im sure that plays into it. however, the chats threads and the trump thread in particular flooded this forum with people who not only had no actual political ideas or ideals, but aren't interested in developing any. its just aesthetics and spectator sport - noise - and its tiresome. that poo poo doesn't belong as a primary thread focus in a political forum. they can have the exact same conversations about their rgb funko pops or whatever the gently caress they talk about in the chat forum, where no one will mistakenly open the thread expecting a discussion of anti-capitalist politics everything about this post is wrong
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Epic High Five posted:I'd definitely like a thread where especially stupid reports made by CSPAMers or against us are posted for us to mock and jeer tho. I don't know if this would fix anything but I would find it very funny so I encourage it I agree with showing all the reports that are not acted upon, not so much "get a load of this guy" but rather to show who's a protected class/which habitually bad posters skate by by virtue of being friends with one of the 65 bad IKs
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Jun 26, 2021 20:19
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While a lot of Politics Forums reports are Misc (no action), we have had issues in the past where people refuse to report anything for whatever reason. It lead to things horrible things just sitting in threads for weeks and people going "Why wasn't anything done about this?" I don't want to discourage people from reporting things and get into that situation again.
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Jun 26, 2021 20:19
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like why the gently caress is there a thread about casting spells in a politics forum
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Jun 26, 2021 20:19
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croup coughfield posted:like why the gently caress is there a thread about casting spells in a politics forum Early in this thread I asked the same question, and there were a lot of good answers.
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croup coughfield posted:like why the gently caress is there a thread about casting spells in a politics forum The communist manifesto is a spell cast hundreds of years ago. Words of power can shape the world. Hope this helps.
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Jun 26, 2021 20:21
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croup coughfield posted:like why the gently caress is there a thread about casting spells in a politics forum this is an ages old political tactic 
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Pamela Springstein posted:lol Hey, a perma is a perma unless it's not whatever there's not really any consistent rationale for administering or enforcing them
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I agree with showing all the reports that are not acted upon, not so much "get a load of this guy" but rather to show who's a protected class/which habitually bad posters skate by by virtue of being friends with one of the 65 bad IKs I disagree because that sort of thing is usually obvious anyway and I suspect most reports are boring and unfunny Athanatos posted:While a lot of Politics Forums reports are Misc (no action), we have had issues in the past where people refuse to report anything for whatever reason. It lead to things horrible things just sitting in threads for weeks and people going "Why wasn't anything done about this?" Think like, the Taintrunner report being revealed. I doubt that cooled the heels of anybody reporting legitimate stuff on account of it being so egregiously dumb and it was super funny
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Jun 26, 2021 20:22
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croup coughfield posted:like why the gently caress is there a thread about casting spells in a politics forum I guess that depends on if you see this forum as: - a political forum with a heavy leftist bent or - a forum for leftists to gather and discuss whatever, be it politics, magic, cooking, weed, etc. I think for a lot of people posting in this thread their opinions about it stem from one of those two places.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:wasn't the Trump thread originally gotten rid of during the Flavius incident for a reason? it seemed really blatant when they just remade it and called it something else. still the same people in it "blatant" lol
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I enjoy all the posters who post amongst me, including those who detest my posts because I enjoy everybody here, they all make the forum good and I enjoy seeing everybody's funny avatars, except when somebody bought those terrible racist sinophobic ones and the person who bought them should be punished.
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Remember when the mods spent some ridiculous amount of time planning an April Fools Forums Comedy Putsch when the whole time they could/should have been doing an actual one based on Lowtax's confirmed habitual mistreatment of women? Each one who went to bat for him should be a Leper 4 Life imo
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Fortaleza posted:Would hopefully tighten the containment that rask mentioned so we don’t get situations like the dolphin guy making GBS threads up the veganism thread or the various goobers that go into the Glenn thread shitposting lies about him being a conservative or transphobe the scurrying away when called on it. if dolphin was posting about his diet in your thread and you didnt enjoy it then you are broken. i love that weirdo and the insane jojo level adventures he has facing lifes mundanities quote:Think back to this very thread when that one goon made a good effort post with stats to back it up and how the posting quality tanked as chat thread folks reacted to it. It’s a lame annoyance that can happen to any thread and better containment might help. Things have gotten a bit better since the thread was gassed then remade and became a bit more insular so my hunch is that it would. i am sorry i made fun of your friends smudgy screen grab of an excel spreadsheet. i say this as a professional who deals with engineers who have given me their money: i love nothing more than printouts or screen grabs of excel spreadsheets and people talking about them, especially about posting analytics as my way of apology, here is a picture of a number. 
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croup coughfield posted:there seems to be a misunderstanding where "lots of words" and "good posting" are being conflated. simply put, the trump/chat thread isnt funny and should be humanely relocated to a place for unfunny threads, like the gas chamber or a cave deep underground I guarantee that if someone said this same thing about a thread you like your reply would be "well then just don't read it" and this makes you a hypocrite And what is the point of "cleansing" a forum by moving certain threads elsewhere? I don't really like the chat threads so I just don't read them and it's a waste of time and effort to demand that threads I don't like get removed or migrated. It is amazing to me that people like you continually insist that every thread be "funny" considering that's completely subjective and that not everyone on these forums wants every post to be a joke. CSPAM is where most of the smartest and well-informed posters hang out and I like to learn so I try to read threads where I can learn things. If someone can teach me something about Marxism/leftism while making a joke then great, but I don't expect it and it shouldn't be an expectation. I want to make myself a better person and hopefully post in places that change peoples' minds for the better. Tons of CSPAM posters were much further right a long time ago and had our minds changed by reading informative posts on these forums and I want to see that trend continue. On the topic of "doomposting" I'm glad I read this thread because it's clear that not everyone agrees on what that means. To me, posting that Democrats and Republicans all take donations from the same billionaires and corporations and that Democrats aren't the good guys that liberals seem to think they are is not "doomposting". Doomposting is what someone did last week or the week before where they went into D&D and posted that nobody should have kids because we're all going to die in 10 years from climate change and that anyone having kids now is a bad person or some extremely blackpill poo poo. That stuff should be punished harshly because there is absolutely no positive outcome from a post like that. It's not funny, it's not informative, it doesn't change anyone's mind, and all it does is bring everyone else down. Having said all that, I think CSPAM is pretty good as it is. Let the chat thread people chat and let the Marxism/Greenwald thread people have their threads too.
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Red Baron posted:I guess that depends on if you see this forum as: i guess i lean heavily towards the former and would like to see those preferring the latter scattered and destroyed
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It's me. I report posts all of the time. so that they may be made into the thread title 
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Pamela Springstein posted:lol
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Red Baron posted:I guess that depends on if you see this forum as: I fall into the second category here and in general I like how the forum is now; there’s been a lot of weird drama the last few months which sucked and I wish would go away at this point. There’s also some insular thread vs thread drama which when it pokes it’s head is annoying to read, but it’s not enough to get me to stop reading those threads. I don’t really post that often but the chat thread/trump and games thread gave me an outlet through quarantine and while I can’t speak for the quality of my posts (I may fall under white noise poster but who cares), it’s nice having a place where people of similar leanings can talk and have their own likeminded mods. The threads that are essentially chat or lifestyle threads are easy to not read if you’re here for politics specifically. I notice people outside of CSPAM sometimes complain that posters don’t post outside of CSPAM; I don’t get that one, I post other places and I see other CSPAM posters when I do so, that’s all.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I guarantee that if someone said this same thing about a thread you like your reply would be "well then just don't read it" and this makes you a hypocrite actually i would call them a dumb bitch op
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Pamela Springstein posted:lol
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croup coughfield posted:actually i would call them a dumb bitch op You're not doing poo poo.
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Josh Christ posted:Free benghazi 2 Why is this lovely retaliatory perma that everyone on the site knows was a lovely retaliatory perma still being enforced lol
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Red Baron posted:I thought it was officially gassed for the SHM thing, but the original “battle” was when the thread found out it was the subject of a QCS thread and some people had to touch the poop. which kind of ties in to the issue that none of the admins have much interaction or familiarity with one of SA's most populous forums and can have difficulty telling what constitutes normal daily posting here or when things have gone wrong, or unpicking what old inter-forum or inter-thread grievances are at play in a given drama eruption and if people are posting in good faith. don't know if there's a solution to that though, i don't think forcing one of them to have regular interaction with a noisy politics forum they don't personally gel with is gonna help much  also i'm gonna say - as someone who never posts there because i don't think i'd mesh with the thread culture - that i do appreciate the Glenn thread. posters there will often put effort into explaining why some eye-rolling-on-the-surface take or other of his actually does have a good point about lib media hypocrisy or whatever, and i feel like i come away having learned something or having something new to consider from reading it. (sometimes it's a couple of pages of people yelling at each other, but that's not exactly unique to the thread.)
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The main problem with the chat megathreads like the Trump thread was that for awhile it seemed mods and IKs for CSPAM were taken exclusively from there and then they didn't seem to know how to moderate the rest of the forum or have rapport enough with threads like Succ Zone to wield any authority, huge case in point being Flavius or however you spell his name. That seems to be going away, so I don't really care about their existence going forward to be honest.
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croup coughfield posted:i guess i lean heavily towards the former and would like to see those preferring the latter scattered and destroyed that’s a pretty extreme way to phrase it, but ignoring that let me ask you a question that I think naturally extends from the first ideological standpoint I listed: if this forum is to be just about leftist politics it will naturally attract leftists (and other people, of course) and those leftists will want to congregate and talk about things other than just politics with their new leftist pals. under the “CSPAM is just for leftist politics” understanding, where should those people go to post and congregate that isn’t just the general forums for those things? I ask because there clearly seems to be an appetite for posting about games and cooking and other things with people that you can somewhat safely assume share some of your overall leanings in political thought—and presumably other things as well. if the place for that kind of congregation is not here, then where?
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croup coughfield posted:i guess i lean heavily towards the former and would like to see those preferring the latter scattered and destroyed Cspam is as big as GBS, it's literally impossible for it to become some laser focused space for a handful of subjects. Youd be better served pitching some form of sub forum for CSPAM for that if you have a clear enough vision of what youd like it to be
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