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goddamnedtwisto posted:The greatest thing about Anal oval office is that they weren't just edgelords, they genuinely hated their fans (and the grindcore scene in general) so also released Picnic of Love, an album of acoustic love songs with titles like "I Respect Your Feelings As A Woman And A Human": That has such a late 60s/early 70s vibe about it. (I skipped through it). Page snipe: well this is boring. 94 is 49 backwards. It could be said that '49' is a back-mask of 94. So in keeping with the black metal theme here: In 1969, rumors of a backmasked message in the Beatles song "Revolution 9" sparked the Paul is dead urban legend.[2] In the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, Christian groups in the United States alleged that backmasking was being used by prominent rock musicians for Satanic purposes, leading to record-burning protests and proposed anti-backmasking legislation by state and federal governments.[3] Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Isomermaid posted:Not sure outing closeted people is cool, tbh. Probably not. It is loving depressing that any of these people feel professional pressure at all to stay in at all though.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:15
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Isomermaid posted:Not sure outing closeted people is cool, tbh. While I generally agree (and much as I'd love to see Gove tarred and feathered, it definitely shouldn't be for that) I think the problem gets a lot more complex when you're talking about 80s/90s Tories, who were *extremely* homophobic (Section 28 is only the tip of the iceberg) and of course still very much in the Victorian Guardians Of The Family groove.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:18
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Z the IVth posted:Have a young baby that is incredibly difficult to put down for a nap and an incredibly light sleeper and report back after. I have a kid on the way and I'm fully expecting to just put up with it  If I want complete silence in the afternoon I'll just have to fork out for sound proofing, rather than insist everyone around me forgos afternoon weekend parties lol
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Jun 26, 2021 21:25
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I feel like outing people who spend their professional lives actively working to make life difficult for gay people is more like self defence? Like what's the alternative? If they don't want to live in an environment where that's a problem for them maybe they should be better people? I don't think any suffering they come to because of it is unwarranted and if it in any way obstructs their ability to pursue their lovely agenda on the rest of us because they spent their lives fostering an organization where being openly gay is looked down on, that's literally their own fault? They like that, they want that, they can't cry because they were subjecting to the policies they want everyone else to have to endure? I don't think that is comparable to people who haven't done anything wrong being made to suffer for it? I can entirely agree that just regular people should be supported whatever their decision is but that relies on some thinking that just... doesn't apply to tories or fascists or anyone else of that ilk. I don't think being principled about it is going to stop them from doing everything they can to attack us either and I also don't see a way where it somehow makes the world generally less homophobic.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:32
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Jun 26, 2021 21:34
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goddamnedtwisto posted:While I generally agree (and much as I'd love to see Gove tarred and feathered, it definitely shouldn't be for that) I think the problem gets a lot more complex when you're talking about 80s/90s Tories, who were *extremely* homophobic (Section 28 is only the tip of the iceberg) and of course still very much in the Victorian Guardians Of The Family groove. Gove’s 53 which makes him a young Tory as section 28 was in full swing, most of the other tories mentioned were old enough to be “one rule for them one rule for me” tories during that time. Poor bastard.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:35
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I have a kid on the way and I'm fully expecting to just put up with it There is a distinction between having the occasional party, which is perfectly reasonable, and doing so every day which was the OP's implication. You can easily see who does/doesn't have an actual child in the thread from the responses. You'll think "it's fine, I can put up with it" before/at first. After six months of sleep deprivation you/your partner will be ready to murder anyone that wakes your kid up. Good luck with the kid. If your neighbors are noisy cunts install the soundproofing first. And air conditioning as well since all the triple glazing in the world isn't going to help in the middle of climate change heatwaves. You can also pray hard you get a good sleeper. Julio Cruz posted:yeah, sorry, you don't get to force everyone else to adapt to your lifestyle just because you have a kid Have a kid and then report back, because you clearly have no idea.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:41
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You could also, y'know, just have a word with your neighbours, explain the situation and try to come up with some kind of compromise. There is a middle ground between ALL THE PARTIES ALL THE TIME and setting the pigs on them.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:44
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Z the IVth posted:Have a young baby that is incredibly difficult to put down for a nap and an incredibly light sleeper and report back after. Yeah the whole baby thing was my thinking for why folk should maybe be a bit considerate. The folks that are are egging them on to make it louder seem to be folk on the estate wither without kids or with older ones. It's one of those things where they'd probably have been annoyed by the noise a few years earlier but it doesn't affect them now so they don't care. I mean i dunno how loud is too loud, but some of the parties have had music/life DJ's/musicians that i could hear a few streets away. At one point i thought it was someone was streaming the music to two separate houses as i could hear it both in front and behind mine with a slight delay. Turns out it was just some weird echo effect it was generating that you could hear it across the whole estate. The one that was on this afternoon, my partner said she could hear it over the music she was listening to on her headphones when she was out for a walk nearby. Like i said, it doesn't really impact me directly, but when i see folk on the facebook group basically being told to shut up and get hosed (even if it is impacting them), i kinda want to support them but not get put on the shitlist for having what seems like a reasonable "maybe be a bit considerate" point of view. edit: The latest from my neighbourhood is a bunch of people celebrating they got one of the people right next to the party to apologise for having an issue with it. That that just seems hosed up to me. Kin fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Jun 26, 2021 21:44
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like outing people who spend their professional lives actively working to make life difficult for gay people is more like self defence?
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Jun 26, 2021 21:44
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Kin posted:Yeah the whole baby thing was my thinking for why folk should maybe be a bit considerate. The folks that are are egging them on to make it louder seem to be folk on the estate wither without kids or with older ones. It's one of those things where they'd probably have been annoyed by the noise a few years earlier but it doesn't affect them now so they don't care. I too live on a council estate, it will settle down once the clubs and pubs open back up properly. People have been locked inside for a long long time and are blowing off steam.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:50
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The Perfect Element posted:You could also, y'know, just have a word with your neighbours, explain the situation and try to come up with some kind of compromise. Sounds like OP ^^^'s lot have tried and got shouted down. Obviously we don't know the full story but it does sound incredibly obnoxious and closer to ALL PARTIES ALL THE TIME than someone blowing up about a random birthday party.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:51
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jiggerypokery posted:Have there been any openly gay Tory mps? Or Labour for that matter? Lloyd Russell Moyle (Labour) is both openly gay and the edit: second, the first was Chris Smith, who apparently was also the first openly gay MP. blunt fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Jun 26, 2021 21:53
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Z the IVth posted:There is a distinction between having the occasional party, which is perfectly reasonable, and doing so every day which was the OP's implication. ......no? Kin posted:Just wondering if anyone would ever bother getting the council/police involved with infrequently noisy (but belligerent) neighbours like this or just let it slide keep trying to force everyone to live how you think they should live, though, that's not a Tory thing to do at all
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Jun 26, 2021 21:55
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learnincurve posted:I too live on a council estate, it will settle down once the clubs and pubs open back up properly. People have been locked inside for a long long time and are blowing off steam. lmao what are you talking about, people have been acting like cunts all through lockdown. Don't give them excuses.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:55
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It's like, I want a world where being outed just isn't a threat. I would like to think I have tried politically to achieve that as best I can, and in some situations, environments, and places, it isn't very much of a threat and might even help you find friends and allies to be out, because I think decent people will be at least indifferent and also it can form the basis of political cooperation for a lot of people, people can understand common troubles because of it. So if he wants to spend his time in a place, among people, and to create a world where it is a threat, and spends his life trying to make it more of a threat, I just don't feel bad about it biting him in the rear end? They have the opportunity to find people who will support them if they are willing to support other LGBT people back, but they aren't, they want a world where they can do whatever they like and also have people shot for doing half the things they do freely, an authority they want to wield through the guise of a pious public persona. I just don't see many more effective weapons against their politics, honestly. The rest of us want a world where we can live openly and freely, while they want a world where they can live secretly and the rest of us can't live at all. It might be tempting to think that because we are all LGBT we all have common cause, but we don't, because how you want people like you to exist in the world overrides the identity, and like right wingers generally, right wing LGBT people want the privilege of existing freely to be confined to them and their immediately favoured ilk. And so I don't think we have any more common cause with them than we do on any other political issue. It is privilege vs common good before anything else. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Jun 26, 2021 21:57
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Can't believe Matt Hancock's been banned from the house of commons by Keir Starmer's wife.
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Jun 26, 2021 21:59
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah, I wasn't sure whether to post that or not and I do apologise if I was wrong to do so. To be honest I feel it was more Diane Abbott's fault for stirring the pot and you just told us what was in the pot, which is probably better than speculation.
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Jun 26, 2021 22:01
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Z the IVth posted:You can easily see who does/doesn't have an actual child in the thread from the responses. You'll think "it's fine, I can put up with it" before/at first. After six months of sleep deprivation you/your partner will be ready to murder anyone that wakes your kid up. Yeah this is pretty much spot on. Come a few months into having a little one and the sleep deprivation really kicks in, it's loving awful. And then to have inconsiderate neighbours who chose to party in their garden all day every day just adds to that stress the amount of times over the summer where I've finally managed to get the little one to sleep, only to be awoken by loud neighbours is infuriating. And the only thing I can really do is close the window which drowns it out a little bit... but then leave the room dangerously warm
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Jun 26, 2021 22:02
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OwlFancier posted:they want a world where they can live secretly and the rest of us can't live at all. UKMT Summer 2021:...
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Jun 26, 2021 22:03
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a pipe smoking dog posted:To be honest I feel it was more Diane Abbott's fault for stirring the pot and you just told us what was in the pot, which is probably better than speculation. Yeah I guess. Just wanna make clear that if I did a wrong there then I'm aware and I'm open to criticism
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Jun 26, 2021 22:03
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I went and visited some earthworks that were part of an archaeological dig today, and it made me think, we've got earthworks, waterworks, fireworks, why don't we call HVAC airworks. Like way to poo poo on Empedocles. (I'm also thinking about HVAC today  )
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Jun 26, 2021 22:08
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Z the IVth posted:Sounds like OP ^^^'s lot have tried and got shouted down. Obviously we don't know the full story but it does sound incredibly obnoxious and closer to ALL PARTIES ALL THE TIME than someone blowing up about a random birthday party. Yeah, it's more that there's a trend of folk having louder parties and being generally inconsiderate to neighbours. Like i mentioned, it doesn't really impact me at all and most of the time i only really know there's drama brewing on the estate from the facebook group. It's just more the attitude that rubs me up the wrong way because i can empathise with someone stuck next to one of these parties having a particularly tough time. The moment anyone seems "anti-fun" though, they just get attacked on the facebook group.
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Jun 26, 2021 22:08
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Fear not, there's a Starmer policy to deal with anti-social behavior coming soon to a government near you
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Jun 26, 2021 22:17
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Friday or Saturday nights are fair game, I think. Sucks if you work weekends and/or nights, but if that's a long-term thing I think you acclimatise, given time. Or get sound-proofing. I'm not really one to judge, mind you. I sleep terribly at the best of times, so it takes next-to-nothing to wake me up. Fun - if slightly disgusting story - I woke up this morning to a larynx full of stomach acid (hurrah for reflux) and just about managed to get to my sink to spit out what was in my mouth, let what was in my nose drip uncomfortably out my nostrils and swallow (truly delightful) the rest before I needed to take a breath. I am at least glad I managed to suppress my usual wake-up instinct of "breath deep" this time.
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Jun 26, 2021 22:24
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Z the IVth posted:Have a kid and then report back, because you clearly have no idea.
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Jun 26, 2021 22:31
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Julio Cruz posted:......no? Let's be utterly inconsiderate to one's neighbours. Totally good and leftist opinion to have. Some people have kids and will have different needs and telling them to gently caress off and suck it up is exactly what a Tory would say. This is especially since it's clear that people appear to have brought up the issue in a civil fashion and the only response has been outright hostility. You don't need loving house parties every week. Babies need their sleep! And not everyone has the benefit of living in a detached house in the middle of nowhere or be able afford extra soundproofing. Albinator posted:I've had two, both easy and difficult as far as sleeping goes, and you shouldn't assume parents will automatically agree with you. Part of life is dealing with other people, and an infrequent afternoon party is a rounding error on the list of things that are worth caring about. Sounds more to me like that Facebook group is more trouble than it's worth. Maybe get rid of that? My point being dealing with a kid is a lived experience and not really something you can "imagine". You can tell from how certain goons have responded that they have no loving idea. The odd afternoon party is fine, but if you have party music on every weekend you can be sure I'll get shirty if it's disturbing the kid. I sleep like the dead so I don't personally care, but the wife and baby will make it my problem. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Jun 26, 2021 22:33
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Z the IVth posted:Let's be utterly inconsiderate to one's neighbours. Totally good and leftist opinion to have. Some people have kids and will have different needs and telling them to gently caress off and suck it up is exactly what a Tory would say. I still have no idea where you're getting the idea of weekly house parties, since it's clearly not what the OP was talking about and I must have missed the part where ASBOs were a leftist policy, maybe you should do a bit of reading up on New Labour
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Jun 26, 2021 22:39
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Julio Cruz posted:I still have no idea where you're getting the idea of weekly house parties, since it's clearly not what the OP was talking about not sure where 'suffer in silence because you don't want to make a fuss' became a leftist position tbh
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Jun 26, 2021 22:41
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Regarde Aduck posted:not sure where 'suffer in silence because you don't want to make a fuss' became a leftist position tbh protest the things that are worth protesting someone playing a few tunes in their garden on a Saturday afternoon isn't that
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Jun 26, 2021 22:44
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Julio Cruz posted:I still have no idea where you're getting the idea of weekly house parties, since it's clearly not what the OP was talking about I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I was advocating for ASBOs against house parties. OP said there were people on his estate having obnoxiously loud house parties. When the issue was brought up by parents with young children, they were shouted down by the party people. In your world these people should be allowed to do as they like regardless of the impact on their neighbors? Julio Cruz posted:protest the things that are worth protesting Live music and DJs audible across the entire estate sounds a bit more than "a few tunes in the garden".
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Jun 26, 2021 22:46
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Z the IVth posted:I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I was advocating for ASBOs against house parties. the key word in the OP, which you have continually pretended not to notice, is "infrequently" if someone is having infrequent parties, which I guess would be at most twice a month, then yeah I can't see any reason why they shouldn't do so as long as they don't go on late into the night (which OP hasn't mentioned they do)
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Jun 26, 2021 23:02
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Julio Cruz posted:the key word in the OP, which you have continually pretended not to notice, is "infrequently" It's clearly frequent enough if people are complaining about it. Any one individual could be having parties at most twice a month, but if there are 10 such individuals on an estate and the typical party is highly audible, then it would definitely constitute an issue.
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Jun 26, 2021 23:08
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I live in a council house on a council estate and my neighbours smoke so much weed it’s sticking to my curtains and I’m not calling the police or the council, not only would that be bad and wrong, it would get my loving windows put in.
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Jun 26, 2021 23:11
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Z the IVth posted:It's clearly frequent enough if people are complaining about it. yeah I’m sure 5 parties every weekend is definitely what the OP meant when they said “infrequently”  and lol at the idea that there aren’t people in every estate who would still complain if it was literally one party a year
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Jun 26, 2021 23:18
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learnincurve posted:I live in a council house on a council estate and my neighbours smoke so much weed it’s sticking to my curtains It shouldn't make a difference but it's a new build estate mostly filled with young families and old folk. There's only the one house that openly smells of weed and they're the only couple that scream at each other on the street. The loud music audible across the estate stands out, I think, because we're a new build on the edge of a small village. So the norm is usually just the sound of nature, passing cars or kids running about.
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Jun 26, 2021 23:20
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Z the IVth posted:It's clearly frequent enough if people are complaining about it. (When I say complain I mean mutter under my breath, not phone the polis, I'm a miserable killjoy, not a bastard)
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