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How Wonderful! posted:No? Also how one deals with having or reading the works of people who've done bad things is a really really personal ones. I remember reading an anecdote by a woman who was [redacted] by some comics artist (I forget who) that still kept a drawing that he made for her on her wall. poo poo's complicated. I still have all my Dave Sim stuff, should at least take the artwork off my wall, though one is a Gerhard sketch from a convention and another is a TMNT collab piece with Eastman part of my (small) TMNT wall. I'm personally on the "don't give them money" side. Keeping stuff you already bought doesn't do that. Beyond that, I guess depends on the meaning of the art and the nature of the transgressions. Feel like that line will be different for every person, won't satisfy everybody, and is kinda squishy and illogical. Comics are a little harder for me as they are part of a collaboration. Same with movies and TV.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Rob had some lovely opinions during the election of I'm remembering correctly. Nothing directly related to it, but he was saying some CHUD adjacent poo poo. I don't recall any specifics though. I think he’s got standard neoliberal lovely opinions though, rather than anything that the alt right would really latch onto.
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This was posted on the discord the other day so I'd wager he is at least alt right adjacent, but i don't know if he has an alt right following like say, evs does. Because no one has cared about Rob in 20 years https://twitter.com/ComicsXF/status/1408473492958367746?s=19
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He was quote re-tweeting anyone who commented on his "30th Anniversary of X-Force #1" tweet, even people joking about finding his run in the dumpster and things like that, and he appears to have deleted the above-captured quote retweet pretty quickly. @mr_larter does appear to be a tremendous alt-right shithead, and Liefeld has no shortage of bad opinions but retweeting/liking/interacting with Comicsgate/alt-right people on Twitter does not appear to be Liefeld's MO at all, outside of this since deleted one.
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Jun 26, 2021 18:53
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I find it hard to believe he just straight up didn't read a single word of that tweet before qt-ing it tbh
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Jun 26, 2021 18:57
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I'm pretty sure the stuff before was also about "wokeness" or whatever.
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Jun 26, 2021 18:59
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I feel like the CG folks will look at Rob and figure he's being canceled with a chip on his shoulder and a bunch of non-CG folks look at Rob and see a dude that's not too serious about his past work and giving it a bit of a redemption arc for being exciting and kinetic, if not, well, good. There's been a good five years or so where everyone was saying "Rob's a cool dude, actually".
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gently caress Rob Liefield https://twitter.com/arthurstacy/status/1408843558208086025?s=20
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FMguru posted:Moore is, by all accounts, a homebody. He barely interacts with fans (hell, he barely interacts with his publishers and collaborators), he just hangs around his giant spoopy house in Northampton reading old grimoires and banging away at his word processor (oh, and smoking hella weed). He spends zero time cultivating groupies or preying on bright young things trying to break into the business or looking to take advantage of someone in the bar at the convention bar because he almost never leaves his house. I was always fond of the way Warren Ellis described Moore's relationship with the outside world: "Wizard World Chicago: An Evening with Warren Ellis posted:The first time I went to Iceland I spoke at the university there, had a fantastic time. And they said ‘Do you by any chance know Alan Moore? We’d love to have him as a followup visit to you.’
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Yond Cassius posted:I was always fond of the way Warren Ellis described Moore's relationship with the outside world: Man, I fuckin feel that, Alan.
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Jun 26, 2021 20:02
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He was quarantining before it was cool.
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Moore is a Sex Weird, not a Sex Pest.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Man, I fuckin feel that, Alan.
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Space Fish posted:He was molested as a child by a schoolteacher who preyed on many other children, too. Wow, I never knew this. When did this come out? Makes Grant Morrison’s comment about Moore being “obsessed with rape” seem hurtful above and beyond being a crass thing to say.
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He discusses it in this 2014 interview with Pádraig Ó Méalóid. Grant Morrison talks about the prevalence of rape in Moore's comics in this 2011 Rolling Stone interview. So I'd be surprised if Morrison was speaking with any first-hand knowledge of Moore's own sexual traumas, except insofar as perhaps as they took it as given that the British educational system is fairly riddled with abusive m en.
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https://slovobooks.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/last-alan-moore-interview/ "While I myself only suffered an attempted abduction at the age of six or so and the minor molestations of a paedophile head of first years at the age of eleven along with almost everyone else in my year, I have known a distressing number of women, including women who are or have been close to me, who have been raped, sexually assaulted or otherwise threatened with sexual violence." There was a weird stretch of time, perhaps still ongoing, when the comics discourse around Moore was that he was obsessed with rape, and over the course of this interview he makes, I think, a compelling case for why he treats sex the way he does in fiction.
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With Moore, I can absolutely say he's misjudged some things but I don't generally get the feeling I do with certain other creators that the lovely stuff is a result of his fetishes and lovely behavior leaking in and just that he's a very weird old man in the actual sense of the word, not the "creep" sense. It's obvious stuff could always come out but honestly it seems more likely he's just a weird shut-in with a lot of crazy ideas and a talent for writing. The stuff that ends up in his works feels less like "fetishes creeping in" and more like "likes being transgressive and fails sometimes at making proper boundaries."
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Skwirl posted:gently caress Rob Liefield What a little turd.
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EVS is trying to insert himself into the TSR drama. And apparently trying to recruit E. Gary Gygax Jr. into ComicsGate.
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Isn't comicsgate basically dead? All their comics failed. They haven't done any new fundraisers for new ones. And it's mainly just out of work comic artist mooching off rubes? And targeted harassment against minorities and women for existing online?
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Covok posted:Isn't comicsgate basically dead? All their comics failed. They haven't done any new fundraisers for new ones. And it's mainly just out of work comic artist mooching off rubes? And targeted harassment against minorities and women for existing online? I'm not sure that's any different than how they were when they supposedly weren't dead? That's literally all they've ever been. Harassers with failed comics who steal from idiots.
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Ugh, hadn't heard about Jr. I was just looking at a $10 copy of Gaxmoor too. Glad I didn't spring for it. That said, I just can't help but laugh at how pathetic EVS is here. It's just... you've really burned everything you touched in comics and now you just gotta find something new to hitch yourself to, huh?
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EVS raised over a million dollars for Cyberfrog 2 and $400k for "Reignbow the Brute." The Diversity and Comics guy has a bunch of projects going. Red Rooster is available at Walmart. Vox Day has a whole webcomics site going at https://www.arkhaven.com/. A lot of the smaller fish aren't doing great, but the big ones are still thriving.
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Based on what I’ve seen, there’s a huge difference between “available at Walmart” and “sold at Walmart.”
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I feel most people would not buy a comic book called RED ROOSTER sight unseen. I would assume it's hardcore gay froting porn.
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The thing that gets me about these dudes is that they took a look at the last 40-plus years of the comic book industry and its sales trends and decided the problem was NOT ENOUGH TITS. Like I’m pretty sure the same conditions that led to Captain America selling less than 30,000 copies a month are not going to magically spare Red Rooster. But no, these idiots’ rallying cry is apparently “This industry needs to be MORE INSULAR.”
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Covok posted:I feel most people would not buy a comic book called RED ROOSTER sight unseen. I would assume it's hardcore gay froting porn. I have no idea how you get from A to B (and I'm not going to look it up), so I'm going to say most people aren't making that connection.
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Endless Mike posted:I have no idea how you get from A to B (and I'm not going to look it up), so I'm going to say most people aren't making that connection. Based on some of the zines I've read, Red Rooster is slang for cock (don't know the origin). I'm 90% certain that that's the title of several pornographic comics/short stories in various underground gay comics/zines.
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Red Rooster is also a widely acclaimed restaurant in Harlem, a blues standard, a fast food chain in Australia, a decades-old brand of hot sauce, the nickname of a wrestler in the 1980s, a descriptive term for a rooster that is red, and based on trademark records the name of several dozen other non-penis related brands and products. I understand the connection, but I also don't think it's the first thing most people will leap to, not unlike how while I see the logic, "Peter Parker" does not make people think of penis docking.
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Well poo poo. It does now.
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Unrelated. For ages you have vocally disliked Warren Ellis. Did you know what kind of lovely person he was before it all became public? I recall you not being a fan of his years and years ago.
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First thing I think of when I hear Red Rooster is the horrible (gimmick) WWF wrestler.Edge & Christian posted:I understand the connection, but I also don't think it's the first thing most people will leap to, not unlike how while I see the logic, "Peter Parker" does not make people think of penis docking. lmao I'm going to now.
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Covok posted:I would assume it's hardcore gay froting porn. To be honest, that says a lot more about you.
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I don't even know what that is but I'm suddenly concerned about all those times my parents took us to Red Robin when I was a kid
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Red Rooster sounds like a chicken restaurant to me. Now of it was called Giant Throbbing Cock it could be a few different things.
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Edge & Christian posted:Red Rooster is also a widely acclaimed restaurant in Harlem https://www.redroosterharlem.com/ But they opened another location in Overtown, a historic part of Miami, which is a hell of a lot closer and more accessible to me. https://redroosterovertown.com/
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Edge & Christian posted:Red Rooster is also a widely acclaimed restaurant in Harlem, a blues standard, a fast food chain in Australia, a decades-old brand of hot sauce, the nickname of a wrestler in the 1980s, a descriptive term for a rooster that is red, and based on trademark records the name of several dozen other non-penis related brands and products. On the one hand I'm grateful for the info on Red Rooster and all its potential meanings. On the other hand, I'll never see Peter Parker without thinking of penis docking ever again. I can live with that 
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Rhyno posted:For ages you have vocally disliked Warren Ellis. Did you know what kind of lovely person he was before it all became public? I recall you not being a fan of his years and years ago. Slightly longer answer: I think I was surprised at the scope and depth of him being a creep, but not at the general contours? His whole Internet Persona at the turn of the century was that of a (prematurely) dirty old man who spent a lot of time flirting with camgirls, giving moderation power to his Filthy Assistants, all young female-identifying users of his message boards and "jokingly" modeled after Transmetropolitan, and any murmurs of discomfort about all of this was shouted down as a bunch of uptight pervert suit loving sad old virgins hiding in their mother's basement. I was never enmeshed enough in the WEF "scene" to know of anything going on in the background, and while I was/am friends with a few of the people who signed off on SoManyOfUs, to the extent that I was aware of any of this going on it was "this person seems to send a lot of flirty DMs with him". Something I hadn't thought about in forever until all of this came out was a very old email exchange I had with him back in like... 1995? 1996? He'd written a column on his Compuserve website/proto-blog SMOKE DAMAGE that essentially had this thesis: Paraphrasing obviously posted:The top selling comic book in North America last month was Spawn. Spawn is a very dumb book, but more importantly it 'sold' 200,000 copies. I wrote an earnest early teenage response about how this is an incredibly flawed argument, and that I have many friends who read comics, and none of them buy Spawn, and etc. etc. etc. He replied quickly about how yes, exactly, this was A TEST, he knew it was a horribly flawed argument and wanted to see who would call him on it, it was an experiment on who would call him on his bullshit and I was one of the special few who passed the test, and he would soon follow up with the results of this experiment. He never did, obviously. And I forget what my email address was at the time, but I assume it was pretty clear I was male through context clues and our correspondence quickly petered out. He never 'revealed his experiment' and continued to sort of spit out the same sort of material for years to come. I may be connecting dots that aren't there, but either way he took the time to weirdly 'drop the act' and let a self-identified high school fan of his know that they are his co-conspirator. Which feels of a piece of all of the other things that have since come to light.
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I have not been to Red Rooster since the very late aughts, when it was a lot newer, but I had good meals and good times there, I hope you get to go sometime. I liked the grits an awful lot and I'm pretty particular about grits. Edit: That's addressed to Big Bad Voodoo Lou but it looks like I'm just addressing it out of nowhere to Edge & Christian. You know what? gently caress it. I hope you both get to go and have a great meal at Red Rooster. A two person goon meet for the ages. Mazel tov.
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