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Tarnop posted:She wasn't even a member of the Labour Party. They tossed that rule on the fire when they saw their chance to emotionally blackmail people into voting for her. She was some time ago but left as she was doing a job that needed impartiality, some charity thing or something iirc.
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serious gaylord posted:JK Howling with rage at the thought of a trans person. Forgot that was where she lived. forkboy84 posted:CSPAM is very hostile to criticism of anything even vaguely related to Marxism-Leninism. It's mostly a good place but don't dare criticise the record of ML regimes towards workers, be it Kronstadt uprising or the massive glaringly obvious inequality in China, etc What makes it all the more amusing is that modern China, in practice, cares about Marxism-Leninism about as much as France, for example, does about "Liberté, égalité, fraternité".
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Jun 28, 2021 09:46
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https://twitter.com/jamesdmorris/status/1409425738391035907 Lmao quote:One former minister says: “We had a saying under Blair and Brown: ‘never inflict an unnecessary election on the voters’. Tracy got the nod from Corbyn to go for it, but Keir could have stopped it if people around him had spotted the danger. I don't recall the centrist big brains complaining about this when Sadiq Khan ran for London Mayor 1 year after the 2015 GE. quote:One former Corbyn staffer said that it was “astonishing” that the loss of Batley was seen as inevitable. “No opposition leader has ever lost two by elections to the governing party. Jeremy had four defensive by-elections by the same point in his leadership and we won them all. You just think, my God, the double standards.” 
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Jun 28, 2021 09:50
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kingturnip posted:Also, saying "There's no magic money tree" when the Tories just spunked up hundreds of millions for a new royal yacht makes you look like a loving idiot. It doesn't if you're willing to cast it in their teeth. But Labour aren't, because under Starmer they are not the opposition.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:00
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quote:One senior party figure says a leadership challenge from the Left would be defeated easily by 80% to 20%. “It could provide a sort of reset moment, in the way that the best thing that ever happened to Corbyn was MPs challenging him in 2016,” they say. Amazing. They've already regained the massive hubris they had before Corbyn was elected. They should definitely test this theory. Lungboy posted:She was some time ago but left as she was doing a job that needed impartiality, some charity thing or something iirc. AFAIK this is bollocks. Tons of actual MPs are patrons of charities, do work for charities etc. There's definitely no rule that you can't even be a member of a party to work for a charity.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:11
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It's amazing just how the PLP managed to find someone even less effective and charismatic than Milliband to hitch their wagon to. All the backing they are giving him just because he is not Corbyn who they fear and hate. jabby posted:Amazing. They've already regained the massive hubris they had before Corbyn was elected. They should definitely test this theory. Munin fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 10:14
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jabby posted:Amazing. They've already regained the massive hubris they had before Corbyn was elected. They should definitely test this theory. It depends on the charity but some do require you to be not part of a political party.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:14
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That Huff Post article descends into some absolute raving "bad for Jeremy Corbyn" by the end, where they're saying that Kier might get steamrolled by a challenge from the right and Coyne needs to win the Unite leadership so that sensible centrism can sweep the one event voters pay attention to, internal reforms to defang the left at the Labour Party conference.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:18
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serious gaylord posted:It depends on the charity but some do require you to be not part of a political party. As far as I can tell her charity involvement is with the Jo Cox foundation which would be surprising if they don't want their staff to be in the Labour party.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:19
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quote:The pair this week instituted a daily 8am conference call (10am on Sundays, after Marr) with all frontbench advisers and the leader’s team. They run through what’s moving in the media and parliament and the party. Everyone is expected to arrive with ideas, but some policy advisers have been given a rude awakening, not least as McGinn’s blunt and direct style makes clear rapid improvements are needed.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:23
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oh god this quote from a "former Minister" quote:"if things are still like this next May, I think he really is in trouble." next May!?
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Jun 28, 2021 10:23
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It's really clear what kier stands for, just because it's bad doesn't mean it's unclear
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Jun 28, 2021 10:24
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Necrothatcher posted:oh god this quote from a "former Minister" Because we'll have Normal Politics after this winter and then he should be in his element lol
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Jun 28, 2021 10:25
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reckon it's worth rejoining Labour to try and get a vote at an impending leadership election?
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Jun 28, 2021 10:26
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I've been thinking about that but honestly atm my answer is 'lol nah'
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Jun 28, 2021 10:32
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namesake posted:Because we'll have Normal Politics after this winter and then he should be in his element lol It's odd. They don't seem to have factored in that 'not dealing with a pandemic' also makes things easier for the Tories. As if the next 3 years are going to be anything less than the Tories replying "Yes, but we dealt with covid  " on repeat whenever anyone criticises them.Part of me thinks that Starmer is probably safe for now because a leadership election during the pandemic would be bad, but Labour's process takes so loving long you may as well kick it off the moment the Tories win Batley & Spen by 20.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:35
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Necrothatcher posted:reckon it's worth rejoining Labour to try and get a vote at an impending leadership election? Well, we just had the Left in charge of the party for several years, and where did that get us? Unless there's a challenger running on purging the Right from the party staff, mandatory reselection of MPs, locking in 1 member 1 vote style democracy etc, any left wing victory would just be a rerun of the Corbyn years. So... maybe?
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Jun 28, 2021 10:43
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Lord of the Llamas posted:As far as I can tell her charity involvement is with the Jo Cox foundation which would be surprising if they don't want their staff to be in the Labour party. Didn't the Tories bring in laws about links between political parties and charities?
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Jun 28, 2021 10:47
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To follow on from Learning Curve above, someone crunched the numbers on the very visible Terfs. https://twitter.com/HelenGradwell/status/1409070483673337856 Long story short, there appears to be roughly a thousand of them. A thousand very very vocal people but just a thousand. In contrast theres over a million people with their pronouns in their bio.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:47
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It's just like any religious 'moral majority', there's only a small core of people who are that permanently angry and vocal about being wrong. The big danger is that they find a wedge issue to expand that, like with that weirdo 'pro-life' lawyer who attacked Tavistock when he really wants to go after Gillick and the Pill. It's always been the case when they can't just come out and say "hi, we're poo poo" they'll find some tangential issue to moralize over.
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Jun 28, 2021 10:56
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Alice from TF has a long-time joke that there are only about 200 full-on TERFs in the UK, but every single one of them has a newspaper column. The methodology in that thread seems pretty dubious, but the conclusion still sounds about right.
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Jun 28, 2021 11:02
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OwlFancier posted:https://twitter.com/spinningjoe/status/1409098770034405376 an island of mrs normans 
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Jun 28, 2021 11:04
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like the scenes of the orc army on the march in LOTR, but it's all WI members
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Jun 28, 2021 11:05
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i like to think those spots around belfast and dublin area are just gardeners and farmers with poor spelling looking to buy terf
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Jun 28, 2021 11:06
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Lord of the Llamas posted:https://twitter.com/jamesdmorris/status/1409425738391035907 quote:Starmer tested the water in Ipswich last week, meeting business leaders. While the Commons is still sitting until late July, the plan is for him to every Wednesday travel to a key seat, meet families in a pub or restaurant, then spend the next day in a workplace canteen or old people’s lunch club. Once parliament rises, he would do Q&A sessions regularly too with voters. What?? How could this possibly work for a national politician who has to convince millions of voters ?
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Jun 28, 2021 11:11
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crispix posted:like the scenes of the orc army on the march in LOTR, but it's all WI members NOOOOOO The WI is trans inclusive. Few years ago they got dog piled by Terfs just asking questions about safeguarding and released a statement saying “the WI is for all women, and trans women are women” and the mumsnet crowd had absolutely no come back so now simply ignore the WI’s existence.
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Jun 28, 2021 11:14
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wow, sorry, that was very judgemental of me apologies to the WI
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Jun 28, 2021 11:21
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really wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of them, now i think about it
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Jun 28, 2021 11:21
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Well he'll be getting telt on Thursday, can that count as part of his telling tour?
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Jun 28, 2021 11:21
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crispix posted:really wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of them, now i think about it They would absolutely gently caress you up
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Communist Thoughts posted:It's really clear what kier stands for, just because it's bad doesn't mean it's unclear For all they had a go at Corbyn for being a populist, Keith is literally sleepwalking the country into fascism because he just wants to support whatever policy he thinks will get him votes, and because he's a cotswold worshipper he thinks that means setting up a headcracking police state everywhere except the green belt. I think the most disappointing thing was hearing my mam saying that Keir seemed incapable, but then went on to say about how Boris 'stuck it out' by not quitting during the pandemic.
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Jun 28, 2021 11:50
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serious gaylord posted:To follow on from Learning Curve above, someone crunched the numbers on the very visible Terfs. There's only 600 MPs but they've still managed to ratfuck the country.
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Jun 28, 2021 11:52
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mods are in bed, everyone do a revolution
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Jun 28, 2021 11:53
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learnincurve posted:NOOOOOO Almost entirely unrelated, I knew the RVS were descended from the wartime WVS but when you you think they actually dropped the "Women's" part from their name? 2013 Personally I'm annoyed that (apart from the hi-viz and extremely fetching rain poncho they sent me) it's no longer a uniformed service. If I could get some dress blues I'd be willing to quit work just to deliver meals on wheels and point people at seats in vaccination centres.
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Jun 28, 2021 12:01
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I'm sure they can order drone strikes or send soldiers on death marches from the comfort of their own homes.
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Jun 28, 2021 12:11
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I was having this discussion over the weekend with my parents. They were starting to talk about how it's hard to know what a politician's policy is on everything. I said you don't need to work out each seperate policy if the politician has a clear ideology. And that's the thing about Kieth. It's all gesture politics. There's no centralising ideology apart from 'we want to be the ones in power' and that's absolutely the worst kind of ideology you can have. can't make anything better until you're in power, and the only way to be in power is to be electable power first policy later (principles never), you idiot antisemite 
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Jun 28, 2021 12:16
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:What?? That article was amazing. So many quotes from 'senior party members' and they're 100% focused on navel-gazing and battling the Left. No policies, no strategy, nothing. Special award for optimism goes to that one guy who thinks that Starmer still has a chance, if he: "just shows people who he is" lol.
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Jun 28, 2021 12:49
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:What??
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Jun 28, 2021 12:53
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Keith Stonger's PR team discovering that the phrase 'we're listening' is trending among the vital gamer demographic and immediately assembles a focus group of 50 year old pizza restaurant owners who say they're gamers on yougov.
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The one person with a psychotic focus on the need for Keith to appear in a covid-free pub is a standout.
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