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Solkanar512 posted:https://twitter.com/mannistom/status/1408825918559293446?s=21 The Internet Makes you Stupid. Or so I've heard it said.
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Dynamic pricing has been a thing in some grocery stores for years. I remember reading about it a while ago and after a quick google I found a bunch of articles from 2017 and on about how UK grocery stores were going to trial digital price tags on shelves, which were already a thing in continental Europe. In principle, it sounds like a reasonable, efficient way to discount and sell more perishable items to minimize waste without having minimum wage workers slap x% off stickers every night. In practice, I'm sure it's a dystopian nightmare (what purpose is it supposed to serve for non-perishable items or already massively profitable items like soft drinks)?
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Jun 26, 2021 23:39
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eXXon posted:(what purpose is it supposed to serve for non-perishable items or already massively profitable items like soft drinks)? It maximizes profit, OP.
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Jun 26, 2021 23:48
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Platystemon posted:It FTFY.
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Jun 27, 2021 01:14
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Karia posted:FTFY. The refrigerator screen things are investor storytime. Price discrimination itself does make actual money in plenty of markets.
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Jun 27, 2021 01:23
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We do so much talking about the tech dystopia and yet the early warning signs were clearly there, though we tried so hard to forget them. I speak, of course, of the Dilberito
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Jun 27, 2021 01:44
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"We're not price gouging by charging $100 for a case of water, the algorithm dynamically decided to charge that much so it's OK"
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Jun 27, 2021 03:03
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Booourns posted:"We're not price gouging by charging $100 for a case of water, the algorithm dynamically decided to charge that much so it's OK" "Our Algorithms were built and programmed by the cheapest possible outsourcing team we could find in East Asia"
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Jun 27, 2021 03:09
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Booourns posted:"We're not price gouging by charging $100 for a case of water, the algorithm dynamically decided to charge that much so it's OK" Uber/Lyft’s already done it with mass shootings.
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Jun 27, 2021 03:21
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Booourns posted:"We're not price gouging by charging $100 for a case of water, the algorithm dynamically decided to charge that much so it's OK" This is the excuse for every stupid little thing in our current era; used to be you'd get a letter of rejection or a call from someone who was tasked with looking at your resume and rejecting your application. Then the algorithms came along and people started applying for 100 jobs and never hearing anything from any of them. "Well it's a robot looking at it now so it doesn't do that. No, a script couldn't just be written to notify rejected applicants, somebody call security."
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Jun 27, 2021 03:54
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Booourns posted:"We're not price gouging by charging $100 for a case of water, the algorithm dynamically decided to charge that much so it's OK" God this would make panic hoarding so much worse than it already is. Imagine the rush on TP and pantry essentials at the beginning of Covid lockdown, only amped up exponentially by the experience of everyone seeing the digital pricetags tick up in direct correlation as the shelves get more and more bare.
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Jun 27, 2021 07:16
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Hargrimm posted:God this would make panic hoarding so much worse than it already is. Imagine the rush on TP and pantry essentials at the beginning of Covid lockdown, only amped up exponentially by the experience of everyone seeing the digital pricetags tick up in direct correlation as the shelves get more and more bare. "Now EVERY commodity can be like Pokemon cards/Bitcoin/GME/AMC stock!" 
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Jun 27, 2021 07:21
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I guess I could picture that cpu screen door thing could help deter shoplifting somehow but that seems like a pretty expensive way to go about it
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Jun 27, 2021 12:26
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And imagine the cost of replacing one when it breaks. Also pretty funny given that the whole point of glass fridge doors for drinks is so they can show off the colourful eye-catching labels and bottles that are already designed to sell themselves. Covering them up to replace them with 2D pictures seems an own goal, marketing-wise.
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Jun 27, 2021 12:40
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And imagine the cost of replacing one when it breaks. What do you mean? Now marketers get to make more labels, one for the door and one for the product. Twice the income!
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Jun 27, 2021 13:20
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Been said before, but there's an argument that marketing functions more like a toxoplasmosis style disease within corporate structures, with a large amount of marketing courses explicitly being how to convince the company management that you are useful.
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Jun 27, 2021 13:45
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skooma512 posted:Yup, smart devices are a solution in search of a problem. Other than people who literally can't move, voice activated anything is a waste of time at home. What does an Amazon Echo even do? Why would want to bug my own house, at my own expense? So I can have a stereo with a voice assistant? All this poo poo seems like it's just a way to reinvent and repackage the "Next Song" button. I literally work in IT, I know how to set this up, but I can't really see a benefit over just doing it the old way. BiggerBoat posted:Somebody wrote something along the lines of "inventing problems to justify the solution" or something like that and it felt pretty apt. Connecting everything to the internet makes no loving sense and at least half the time makes the "convenience" of the tech more of a pain in the rear end. I don't like keyless cars and don't see what was so hard about putting a key in the ignition. It doesn't solve a problem. I've also left them running more than once. What "problem" is this solving beyond remembering to bring your keys with you or take them out of the car? KozmoNaut posted:Then do without, or buy a PC monitor or a commercial display. Oh goodie, nothing is quite as tedious as the reasoning of “I don’t understand why people value different things than I do.” You’re arguing against the existence of a switch on a lamp because you could just pull the plug out of the wall. People enjoy minor conveniences. They’re willing to pay for them. Do you go through your friends’ cabinets and shame them for taking up a whole shelf with a salad spinner, or owning an oven with a built-in timer? It’s like listening to a Seinfeld set: “what’s the deal with smart devices?” A smart TV is a convenient thing. A tv that doesn’t need cables, multiple controllers, external speakers, or a Roku/Apple TV/Fire Stick? My parents would love that. Meanwhile, an Echo is a halfway decent Bluetooth speaker with voice control. Again, that’s a pretty convenient thing. It is not bad to want these things. It is a regulatory problem that these devices are allowed to exist in their current state. You’re letting corporations off the hook by pretending consumers should be expected to vote with their dollars (loving lol) in such numbers as to make a meaningful impact.
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Jun 27, 2021 14:51
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I gave away my first-gen Echo earlier this year. When I first got it, it was aces because it would play anything in my music library, not just things that had been licensed for streaming. I could, and did, hook it up to my shopping-list app. I loved it when cooking because I could reach into the fridge, say "Alexa, add cream to the shopping list", and carry on with the recipe. And, of course, set timers, by far its heaviest use. Then they tricked it up so that you had to pay for Amazon music to listen to many cuts, and furthermore it would play "Take it to the limit, 1985 live remix, by the Eagles" because that was the licensed version. And my shopping app stopped hooking up to ITTT. The combo of those made it mostly a panopticon paperweight.
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Jun 27, 2021 16:13
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Baronash posted:shame them for taking up a whole shelf with a salad spinner Shame me? Buddy, if you aren't centrifuging lettuce, why are you even making the salad?
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Jun 27, 2021 16:32
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using lettuce instead of spinach in your salad is a crime
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Jun 27, 2021 16:36
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I never enjoyed salad at home until I started spinning the greens. Spinning is actually key to deliciousness.
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Jun 27, 2021 16:36
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I just keep my salad spinner in my refrigerator. Either it is busy holding my greens, or it is shaming me into buying more. Serves its purpose either way.
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Jun 27, 2021 16:55
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Sextro posted:I never enjoyed salad at home until I started spinning the greens. Spinning is actually key to deliciousness. When I was a kid, we put the greens in a wire basket and went outside and windmilled the basket. Ah, the good old days. (Black-seeded Simpson Lettuce sucks under all conditions, if you were wondering.)
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Jun 27, 2021 17:01
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Baronash posted:A smart TV is a convenient thing. A tv that doesn’t need cables, multiple controllers, external speakers, or a Roku/Apple TV/Fire Stick? My parents would love that. lol what This is some black-and-white infomercial poo poo. attempts to hook up VCR with garden hose, becomes entangled like it’s a boa constrictor, spouse walks in and trips on hose “There has to be a better way!”
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Jun 27, 2021 18:10
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withak posted:luv 2 engage with my favorite brands This is ironic, right until nintendo cereal makes a comeback.
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Jun 27, 2021 18:13
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Platystemon posted:lol what I've got a Smart TV and the $20 bargain basement Roku I use with it is significantly more powerful.
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Jun 27, 2021 21:45
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Freakazoid_ posted:This is ironic, right until nintendo cereal makes a comeback. They never left. My child eats this: 
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Jun 27, 2021 21:48
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Baronash posted:Oh goodie, nothing is quite as tedious as the reasoning of “I don’t understand why people value different things than I do.” You’re arguing against the existence of a switch on a lamp because you could just pull the plug out of the wall. People enjoy minor conveniences. They’re willing to pay for them. Do you go through your friends’ cabinets and shame them for taking up a whole shelf with a salad spinner, or owning an oven with a built-in timer? It’s like listening to a Seinfeld set: “what’s the deal with smart devices?” I think we view the situation very differently but I can't be entirely sure since you seem kind of all over the place here.
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Jun 27, 2021 22:39
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Volmarias posted:I've got a Smart TV and the $20 bargain basement Roku I use with it is significantly more powerful. Yeah, all of the "smart" TVs I've ever owned have had worse streaming app experiences than just using a Roku/Firestick. My uninformed speculation is that all of the apps are better optimized for the streaming plug-in devices than the TVs themselves, what with the sheer variety of TVs.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:06
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BiggerBoat posted:I think we view the situation very differently but I can't be entirely sure since you seem kind of all over the place here. Folks are arguing against minor conveniences and smart devices and the only coherent position against them in this thread is that many come with poor security and lovely privacy policies. My argument is two fold: 1. Desiring minor conveniences is nothing new, and making braindead "but why would someone pay for something I personally don't care about?" posts is tedious. 2. Desiring these things does not make it okay for companies to sell you an insecure device or use the devices you pay for to gather PII to sell.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:09
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Yeah, all of the "smart" TVs I've ever owned have had worse streaming app experiences than just using a Roku/Firestick. My uninformed speculation is that all of the apps are better optimized for the streaming plug-in devices than the TVs themselves, what with the sheer variety of TVs. In the case of Google/Android TV, it's because even Google stopped giving a poo poo for three straight years until 2020 on their TV OS. And a lot of apps are pretty lovely and unoptimized as a consequence. Then there's the simple fact that unless your phone uses a Mediatek SoC, it's going to be considerably more powerful and use regularly updated versions of streaming apps. And Chromecast, while it still has faults, is pretty decent by comparison. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jun 27, 2021 |
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Jun 27, 2021 23:20
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Volmarias posted:They never left. My child eats this: This is the modern slim Pikachu, not the 90s fat Pikachu. Your child eats lies.
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Jun 28, 2021 01:36
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Detective No. 27 posted:90s fat Pikachu Your TV is incorrectly set to show 4:3 content in 16:9.
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Jun 28, 2021 01:39
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Been said before, but there's an argument that marketing functions more like a toxoplasmosis style disease within corporate structures, with a large amount of marketing courses explicitly being how to convince the company management that you are useful. I've worked at a lot of B2B marketing software companies, and you learn pretty quickly on that the actual main use of your software is to produce graphs that make your users look good on quarterly slide decks, which is many, many times more important than actually being honest about results or even doing the thing your software says it does on the website.
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Jun 28, 2021 01:55
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Baronash posted:Folks are arguing against minor conveniences and smart devices and the only coherent position against them in this thread is that many come with poor security and lovely privacy policies. Coherent position number 2 for you: many of these "minor conveniences" are in fact more actively annoying than they are convenient, and it sucks that it has become difficult to avoid them. The entirety of the impact on my life from having a smart TV is: it takes longer to turn on, has to update its firmware sometimes, and can show me ads whenever it gets left on the wrong input. None of these things are convenient or positively impact the user experience in any way. They suck and everything it theoretically has to offer (streaming, I guess?) is done better by dedicated devices.
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Jun 28, 2021 02:37
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Startup idea: This https://mobile.twitter.com/otago/status/1409330977046945798 but with monthly subscription fee that includes fixed amount of unlocks per month or one time payments too unlock.
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Jun 28, 2021 09:14
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ephex posted:Startup idea: ya'll remember that wi-fi chastity cage that got hacked? Nothing bad can come of this. Seriously though, if you can afford to pay for elective dentistry to wire your jaw shut plus a subscription fee, you can afford a personal trainer for a year.
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Jun 28, 2021 09:23
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when i put in my mind the image of a person who genuinely thinks "i have to install a surgical dental implant that remote-control locks my jaw shut so i can reach my personal diet goals, nothing else will work" i see someone who's only going to be sticking to healthy nutrient shakes for a hot moment and, shortly upon the onset agony of a horrendously sudden, metabolically abrupt dietary change guaranteed to cause absolute misery, doing things like mainlining soft milkshakes like what you can find at fast food places, and ending up with an even more atrocious diet than before everyone involved in the construction of this device needs to be left on a desert island with nothing but the world's surplus juicero stock. and if it ever looks like this terrible device stands even a chance of going onto the market, ever, we need a very public notice of concern about this from medical ethics boards and a real clear indication that any medical professional who would EVER sign off on the implantation of this device is going to have regulatory bodies on their rear end
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Jun 28, 2021 10:19
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ephex posted:Startup idea:
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Starvation-as-a-Service
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