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Governments usually lose by-elections, so actually losing two just shows how Prime ministerial Keith is. 
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Jun 28, 2021 13:19
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Necrothatcher posted:reckon it's worth rejoining Labour to try and get a vote at an impending leadership election? Call me jaded (and I know this is what the Labour right wanted, but that still doesn’t mean it’s worth pursuing), but the highest possible ceiling of success would be just to repeat the Corbyn years and end up back in the same place, so no. The left takeover of labour was a one-time shot, I think, and it lost. Some would say it could never worked, but either way, it’s a busted flush, imo
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Jun 28, 2021 13:21
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josh04 posted:The one person with a psychotic focus on the need for Keith to appear in a covid-free pub is a standout. Surrounded by gammon holding a freshly pulled pint of Muslim kryptonite, it's perfect.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:24
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:What?? Millions of people watching TV will see the carefully staged photo op of Kier sitting in a pub holding a pint and looking uncomfortable, and immediately go out and vote for him
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Jun 28, 2021 13:40
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There is absolutely no way that a leftist leader would repeat the mistakes of the Corbyn era (i.e., not purging the right) Unfortunately it doesn't look like a leftist's on the menu. I think the best we can hope for is a soft-left candidate who at least tries to get the left on board. Someone like Burnham, or a real version of what Starmer pretended to be for a bit. (this is also the only way Labour's getting elected again anytime soon)
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Jun 28, 2021 13:40
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Lord of the Llamas posted:https://twitter.com/jamesdmorris/status/1409425738391035907 Lmao still utterly, totally clueless quote:The key has got to be both a clean break with Corbyn and a positive vision of Britain, one frontbencher says. “Nobody I talk to tells me you know what ‘Labour has changed too much’. And when I ask Tory MPs privately what they fear most, they say it’s if we got rid of the loonies” they say.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:40
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Noxville posted:Lmao still utterly, totally clueless I think the loonies that frontbencher is talking about and the loonies the Tories are talking about are two very different groups of people
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Jun 28, 2021 13:43
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Noxville posted:Lmao still utterly, totally clueless "No! I must kill the loonies," he shouted! The radio said "No, John. You are the loonies." And then, John was a CUKTIG
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Jun 28, 2021 13:46
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What the gently caress does 'passes the prime minister test' mean if he's not PM and can't win elections, gently caress's sake.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:47
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Borrovan posted:There is absolutely no way that a leftist leader would repeat the mistakes of the Corbyn era (i.e., not purging the right) LOL Kieth was meant to be a soft left candidate. I'm not sure there's as much as a fag paper between the soft left and the hard right of the party aside from a preference for Brown over Blair for emotional reasons. The political end result is the same. This isn't the 80s where even after the Tribune split the soft left were closer to the left than right. TBH we should point out that the soft left is Corbyn & friends. I won't rejoin Labour myself because the last time I got involved was rotten for my mental health, but there's no real harm in rejoining I you think there won't be a leadership contest for 6 months or whatever the waiting period is.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:49
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I thought passing the prime minister test just meant that you were willing to gleefully order the deaths of millions by using trident.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:50
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so Keith's new idea is just to go on a country-wide pub crawl? he really is an alcoholic isn't he
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Jun 28, 2021 13:51
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kingturnip posted:I think the loonies that frontbencher is talking about and the loonies the Tories are talking about are two very different groups of people I'm just amazed that ostensibly serious people still use the word 'loony' as an insult in TYOOL 2021.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:53
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stev posted:I'm just amazed that ostensibly serious people still use the word 'loony' as an insult in TYOOL 2021. It's a pretty fun word to say
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Jun 28, 2021 13:55
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Julio Cruz posted:so Keith's new idea is just to go on a country-wide pub crawl? A picture of him passed out on the floor of a pub would probably improve his polling.
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Jun 28, 2021 13:58
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the lesson from the corbyn years was just how inadequate and actively booby-trapped the labour party is as a vehicle of social change we need a new party since I think thats possibly a hair more likely than actually being able to turn 2021 labour into a viable left wing electoral force but i also think thats very unlikely. whats more likely to happen is the left just gets drawn back into some struggle over Labour when its burnham vs phillips over who gets to be leader of a pack of incompetents for the rest of my life
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Jun 28, 2021 14:01
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I can kinda see where this Kier pub crawl idea comes from. It's similar to the "ignore the media by going to the people" stuff that was thrown around in the Corbyn years. The idea that if that people see and know a politician for who they are, rather than the media image, they'll vote for you. The problem is that Kier can't inspire anyone to vote for him anyways, because he has no ideas and no idelogy. And he's got no one to hype him up. If Corbyn did a similar thing, you'd get crowds showing up whether he speaks, people talking about seeing him etc, and word spreading organically that way. Instead Kier is just gonna show up and have a chat with whatever friends and family the local MP or party could drum up and no one else caring about the wanker in a suit with a staff fussing over him on the other side of the pub.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:05
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forkboy84 posted:I won't rejoin Labour myself because the last time I got involved was rotten for my mental health, but there's no real harm in rejoining I you think there won't be a leadership contest for 6 months or whatever the waiting period is. No, ignore the bit where the number plummeted after Corbyn left, look specifically at this bit of the line which has now gone up a bit.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:05
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stev posted:I'm just amazed that ostensibly serious people still use the word 'loony' as an insult in TYOOL 2021. Even if you’re going to proclaim Corbyn as the ‘loony left’ who led the party to disaster, that still means that 30% of the country wants the loony left in power so why insult them like this?
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Jun 28, 2021 14:06
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PowerBeard posted:I'm sure they can order drone strikes or send soldiers on death marches from the comfort of their own homes. MOD: Please log in to the zoom battle so we can wreck you *forgets to unmute and loses thousands of troops anyway*
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Jun 28, 2021 14:09
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Communist Thoughts posted:the lesson from the corbyn years was just how inadequate and actively booby-trapped the labour party is as a vehicle of social change Only way to actually make it happen is to hive off the unions. Keith might actually achieve that if we're lucky. But like... worst timeline.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:11
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A picture of him passed out on the floor of a pub would probably improve his polling. 
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Jun 28, 2021 14:13
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Bobby Deluxe posted:What the gently caress does 'passes the prime minister test' mean if he's not PM and can't win elections, gently caress's sake.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:14
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 'our party members are malevolent, insane cranks, our electoral defeats are their fault, and frankly we'd be better off without them' excited to see the end point of this strategy
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Jun 28, 2021 14:15
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I feel like if a bunch of people rejoined now, they'd spin it as Keith hype because number has gone up. I'm sure they would, but there's only 8 people in the country who would care and they all write newspaper columns. I agree with Communist Thoughts that I think the Labour apparatus is too full of rats who are only in it to be near power and we as the collective left need to accept we need to start from scratch and that only works if you convince MPs from the SCG and the unions to be involved, because without money and high profile active politicians there's nowt to separate this from Socialist Labour or Left Unity or hundreds of other failed offshoots of offshoots.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:17
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Bobby Deluxe posted:What the gently caress does 'passes the prime minister test' mean if he's not PM and can't win elections, gently caress's sake. Literally all aesthetics. You can (if you are a huge melt), close your eyes and imagine him, in suit and tie and stentorian voice, at a podium telling you warm, cozy platitudes that make you feel like you, your choice and therefore everything is okay.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:19
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I disagree about the high profile politicians, I don't really think there's any high profile labour politicians anyone gives a poo poo about
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Jun 28, 2021 14:21
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Gorn Myson posted:Polly Toynbee had that article a while ago where she talked about how voters have no excuse not to vote for Starmer because hes "thoroughly electable", and thats the first time I really understood that "electable" is an aesthetic that centrists believe in and it does not require you to actually win elections. 'She's electable if you vote for her!' comes to mind. Centrists as I've said many times are electoral Wimp Lo, they've been taught wrong on purpose.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:21
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I don't think Starmer's team would've put out their 18 month early access roadmap if they weren't expecting he'd be around that long. Guessing the plan is to keep pointing to how their policy review hasn't finished yet so it's not right to replace him while it's still ongoing.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:24
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Apraxin posted:
What that senior aide is basically admitting is: "Labour members hate him, Labour MPs hate him, and the Unions hate him".
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Jun 28, 2021 14:25
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forkboy84 posted:It's a pretty fun word to say It feels like one of those things that's not really on though, and should just be avoided altogether given that it was traditionally used to stigmatise mental health problems. If it was still in common use by anyone other than elderly tories I imagine it would be about as acceptable as the bad R and S. stev fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 14:27
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Communist Thoughts posted:I disagree about the high profile politicians, I don't really think there's any high profile labour politicians anyone gives a poo poo about Not normal people, but you're not going to get on the one news broadcast people watch a day if you've started from 0 MPs. Especially if it's a popular local MP so you can win the seat with the incumbent advantage when an election comes around. Left Unity was just a few years ago, does anyone remember them?
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Jun 28, 2021 14:30
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stev posted:It feels like one of those things that's not really on though, and should just be avoided altogether given that it was traditionally used to stigmatise mental health problems. While I'm sympathetic to this point of view we need words which adequately describe people who are loving idiots. Because there's a lot of them around. Except idiot was also a slur for people with learning disabilities. I'd also argue that as someone with a myriad of mental health problems it can be easier to address it when you are first coming to grips with the fact your brain doesn't work normally in one way or another by using slightly glib and almost childish language like loony or nutcase. Maybe that's just me though.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:36
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Gorn Myson posted:Polly Toynbee had that article a while ago where she talked about how voters have no excuse not to vote for Starmer because hes "thoroughly electable", There are probably a lot of quotes you could look at in a new light with that in mind. https://twitter.com/justamemory_xx/status/1316405020082999296?s=19
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Jun 28, 2021 14:36
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Kokoro Wish posted:Literally all aesthetics. You can (if you are a huge melt), close your eyes and imagine him, in suit and tie and stentorian voice, at a podium telling you warm, cozy platitudes that make you feel like you, your choice and therefore everything is okay. Seeing Kieth when you close your eyes is a side effect of taking the experimental hallucinogen from Jacobs Ladder
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Jun 28, 2021 14:36
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forkboy84 posted:Left Unity was just a few years ago, does anyone remember them? Is that one due a revisit now that everyone's wanking from home? stev posted:If it was still in common use by anyone other than elderly tories I imagine it would be a ihr as acceptable as the bad R and S. Failed Imagineer posted:Seeing Kieth when you close your eyes is a side effect of taking the experimental hallucinogen from Jacobs Rees-Mogg 
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Jun 28, 2021 14:39
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There's a rather big fire happening in south london today https://twitter.com/Darren94775262/status/1409498913279729666
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Jun 28, 2021 14:43
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Guavanaut posted:They were the ones that split up over workplace wanking right? lol reminded of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4
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Jun 28, 2021 14:46
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I have never heard of the hilariously named Left Unity or their wanking antics could someone gimme the goss
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Jun 28, 2021 14:48
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Communist Thoughts posted:I have never heard of the hilariously named Left Unity or their wanking antics could someone gimme the goss https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1318523373119483904?s=21
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