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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
So when does Enho make it back to the big(ger) leagues?

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Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Y/O: Terunofuji / Hakuho / Takakeisho
S/K: Meisei / Mitakeumi / Daieisho
M1-M5: Endo / Hoshoryu / Ichinojo
M6-M10: AOIYAMA / Terutsuyoshi / Kiribayama
M11+: Ura / Tochinoshin / Ichiyamamoto

I begin my title defense this tournament. Trying to shake things up and pick guys that could surprise from the lower ranks. However, with great rewards comes risk.

Vargatron fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jul 2, 2021

Glugglugs
May 30, 2008
Hey, here's my guys! This is my first time doing anything like this so if i've made any mistakes please let me know! Cheers and good luck all.



Y/O: Terunofuji /Takakeishō/Shōdai
S/K: Daieishō /Takanoshō / Takayasu
M1-M5: Wakatakakage /Aoiyama / Hokutofuji
M6-M10: Tochinoshin /Hidenoumi/Endo
M11+: Kaisei/Daiamami/Okinoumi

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

Glugglugs posted:

Hey, here's my guys! This is my first time doing anything like this so if i've made any mistakes please let me know! Cheers and good luck all.



Y/O: Terunofuji /Takakeishō/Shōdai
S/K: Daieishō /Takanoshō / Takayasu
M1-M5: Wakatakakage /Aoiyama / Hokutofuji
M6-M10: Tochinoshin /Hidenoumi/Endo
M11+: Kaisei/Daiamami/Okinoumi

Check the rankings a few pages back. tochinoshin is in the M11+ bracket, Endo is m1-m5 for example

Also picking tochinoshin is a mistake in general.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

Glugglugs posted:

Hey, here's my guys! This is my first time doing anything like this so if i've made any mistakes please let me know! Cheers and good luck all.

you did the right format but i think you picked your guys based off of the rankings for the last basho instead of the current one. i struck out all your picks who are currently at different ranking tiers and put their current rank in parentheses. kenning has the current banzuke in the op and i'll add it again here so you can correct it.

Y/O: Terunofuji /Takakeishō/Shōdai
S/K: Daieishō(m1) /Takanoshō (m2)/ Takayasu
M1-M5: Wakatakakage(K) /Aoiyama (m8)/ Hokutofuji
M6-M10: Tochinoshin(M12) /Hidenoumi/Endo(m1)
M11+: Kaisei/Daiamami/Okinoumi(m5)

Thauros fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jun 28, 2021

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

ilmucche posted:

Also picking tochinoshin is a mistake in general.

Great avatar/post combo

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


drat I did mine wrong too, here's my updated list I'll go delete my old one

Y/O Terunofuji/takakeisho/hakuho

S/K wakatakakage/meisei/mitakeumi

M1-5 Tobizaru/ichinojo/hoshoryu

M6-10Aoiyama/Hidenoumi/Kiribayama

M11+ Chiyomaru/ura/kaisei

E edited to get rid of fur egg

Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jul 2, 2021

Glugglugs
May 30, 2008
Ah! Thank you all for the corrections and apologies for showing my rear end on the internet just immediately. When my partner and I were putting our lists together we were both so sure that we were using the sumoDB correctly (we were not)

Here's a revised list that hopefully now fits! Tochinoshin is definitely a silly pick but I wanted him in there because he's one of my favourites and I like cheering him on despite the fact that he should really just go home and nurse his horribly broken knees.

Y/O: Terunofuji /Takakeisho/Shodai
S/K: Wakatakakage / Mitakeumi/ Meisei
M1-M5: Daiesho /Endo / Hokutofuji
M6-M10: Aoiyama /Hidenoumi/onosho
M11+: Kaisei/Ura/Tochinoshin


post edited to remove our beloved Fur Egg.

Glugglugs fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jul 3, 2021

Neodoomium
Jun 20, 2001

You are now hearing this
noise in your head.



Y/O: Terunofuji, Takakeisho, Hakuho
S/K: Wakatakakage, Mitakeumi, Meisei
M1-5: Endo, Ichinojo, Hokutofuji
M6-10: Chiyoshoma, Takarafuji, Shimanoumi
M11+: Kaisei, Chiyomaru, Ishiura

Neodoomium fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 4, 2021

Shiroc
May 16, 2009

Sorry I'm late
Tochinoshin has many giant powerful man highlights but his fight with Enho was both giant powerful man highlights and hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12fHeFA3nGg

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Late on this one.

Y/O: Hakuho/Terunofuji/Takakeisho
S/K: Wakatakakage/Meisei/Mitakeumi
M1-5: Endo/Hoshoryu/Daieisho
M6-10: Myogiryu/Shimanoumi/Terutsuyoshi
M11+: Ura/Ichiyamamoto/Tochinoshin

LlamaTrauma
Jan 12, 2005

Well here I am
Drunk in Heaven
Kinda seems redundant
After spending several tournaments down in Makushita I'm back.

Y/O - Hakuho/Terunofuji/Takakeisho
S/K - Mitakeumi/Meisei/Waka
1-5 - Ichinojo/Hoshoryu/Endo
6-10 - Myogiryu/Tamawashi/Aoiyama
11+ - Ura/Chiyonoo/Kaisei

LlamaTrauma fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jul 2, 2021

jmzero
Jul 24, 2007

Y/O: Terunofuji / Hakuho / Shodai
S/K: Takayasu / Wakatakakage / Meisei
M1-M5: Ichinojo/ Kotoeko / Endo
M6-M10: Takarafuji / Myogiryu / Aoyama
M11+: Ichiyamamoto / Kaisei / Ishiura

Thanks for running this.

pseudodragon
Jun 16, 2007


Jobbo_Fett posted:

So when does Enho make it back to the big(ger) leagues?

Sumodb queries are pretty fun. He could make it back as soon as September, but he has to be good and get some luck. He’d need 11 to be considered a lock, 9 &10 have a chance but would require enough people ahead of him to screw up and open a spot.

Since 2010, for J5e, immediate promotions have been:

8-7: 1/20
9-6: 3/9
10-5: 5/9
11-4: 5/5
12+: 0/0

Netsky
Jun 24, 2004
I AM THE STREET



Y/O: Terunofuji / Takakeisho / Hakuho
S/K: Mitakeumi / Wakatakakage / Meisei
M1-M5: Endo / Ichinojo / Daieisho
M6-M10: Aoiyama / Onosho / Takarafuji
M11+: Ura / Chiyonoo / Tokushoryu

First time doing fantasy sumo!

Edit: Updated my post after Takayasu withdrew

Netsky fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 2, 2021

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

ilmucche posted:

Also picking tochinoshin is a mistake in general.

I will not stand for this disrespect. His knee may be dust and wishes, but anyone else would have fallen apart entirely by now fighting on one leg.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Going with my picks from last time because I'm a hack and a fraud.

Y/O: Terunofuji/Hakuho/Takakeisho
S/K: Takayasu/Wakatakakage/Mitakeumi
M1-5: Tobizaru/Hokutofuji/Daiesho
M6-10: Takarafuji/Chiyoshoma/Hidenoumi
M11+: Kaisei/Ura/Kagayaki

Edited my post for Kenning for his request.

Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 2, 2021

whats for dinner
Sep 25, 2006

IT TURN OUT METAL FOR DINNER!

pseudodragon posted:

Sumodb queries are pretty fun. He could make it back as soon as September, but he has to be good and get some luck. He’d need 11 to be considered a lock, 9 &10 have a chance but would require enough people ahead of him to screw up and open a spot.

Since 2010, for J5e, immediate promotions have been:

8-7: 1/20
9-6: 3/9
10-5: 5/9
11-4: 5/5
12+: 0/0

I looked up the single promotion from 8-7 and it was Akiseyama in Hatsu 2016! The upper-Juryo/lower-Makuuchi results in that basho looked wild. Only 4 of the top 10 dudes in Juryo posted winning scores and only 4 people in M11+ posted winning scores, with 4 people getting 4-11 or worse.

Robviously
Aug 21, 2010

Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist.

A little late with my picks but hoping to start moving up the Goonzuke this event after failing my way to an even rank last basho.

Y/O: Takakeisho/Terunofuji/Shodai
S/K: Wakatakakage/Meisei/Mitakeumi
M1-M5: Daiesho/Okinoumi/Ichinojo
M6-M10: Chiyoshoma/Hidenoumi/Takarafuji
M11+: Daiamami/Kotonowaka/Kaisei

Hakkeyoi!

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

SUCK LASER, COPPERS


Y/O: Hakuho / Takakeisho / Shodai
S/K: Wakatakakage / Meisei / Mitakeumi
M1-M5: Tobizaru / Daiesho / Hokutofuji
M6-M10: Onosho / Myogiryu / Kiribayama
M11+: Kaisei / Kagayaki / Ura

Crusty Nutsack fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 2, 2021

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica
Y/O: Terunofuji / Hakuho / Takakeisho
S/K: Wakatakakage/ Takayasu /Mitakeumi
M1-M5: Daieisho/ Hokotufuji/ Tobizaru
M6-M10: Onosho/ Tamawashi/ Aoiyama
M11+: Ura/ Ichiyamamoto / Ishiura

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



45 fantasy draft lists so far! I still need to submit my picks, but it looks like we're in for another huge turnout. Depending on the final count, this may be the tournament when I implement Fantasy Juryo.

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Kenning posted:

45 fantasy draft lists so far! I still need to submit my picks, but it looks like we're in for another huge turnout. Depending on the final count, this may be the tournament when I implement Fantasy Juryo.

We are going to have our own Hattorizakura at this rate.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

huge sumo wrestlers.

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

What did you say the strategy was?

Liquid Communism posted:

I will not stand for this disrespect. His knee may be dust and wishes, but anyone else would have fallen apart entirely by now fighting on one leg.

He's my top pick for that bracket

ratmosphere
Oct 31, 2017


Putting a lot of wild, absurd faith in the power of a good comeback with some of these picks.

Y/O: Hakuho/Terunofuji/Takakeisho

S/K: Wakatakakage/Takayasu/Mitakeumi

M1-5: Takanosho/Hokutofuji/Endo

M6-10: Aoyiama/Onosho/Kiribayama

M11+: Ura/Chiyonokuni/Tochinoshin

Thank you Kenning!

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Jobbo_Fett posted:

So when does Enho make it back to the big(ger) leagues?

If his arm has healed up and he stays healthy, he probably makes it back up to makuuchi in two bashos, maybe three. After that, my guess is that he drops back down to juryo fairly quickly and becomes one of those guys who just bounces between high juryo and low makuuchi up until he retires.

It's a size issue, imo. He's very skillful, but he's also very small and that kills him in makuuchi because everybody there is skilled enough to learn how to handle his tricks, and without that bag of tricks he's fighting with a disadvantage of roughly eight inches in height and a hundred plus pounds.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I forget who he was fighting but I think it was in the last basho I saw someone just utterly counter enho by being twice as heavy as him and repeatedly blasting him in the face with full on headbutts as soon as he tried to drop down for the leg, driving him out of the ring.
You could see from enhos face he was really not enjoying that one

It was very brutal, a lot of enhos fights had an element of watching a car accident last time round

scripterror
Sep 6, 2011

Nap Ghost
Y/O: Hakuho / Terunofuji / Takakeisho
S/K: Mitakeumi / Wakatakakage / Meisei
M1-M5: Ichinojo / Hoshoryu / Hokutofuji
M6-M10: Terutsuyoshi / Onosho / Kiribayama
M11+: Tokushoryu / Chiyonokuni / Tochinoshin

scripterror fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jul 2, 2021

Scythe
Jan 26, 2004
Gotta avoid going banzuke-gai.

Y/O: Hakuhou, Terunofuji, Takakeishou
S/K: Mitakeumi, Wakatakakage, Meisei
M1-M5: Endo, Kotoeko, Hoshoryu
M6-M10: Chiyoshoma, Hidenoumi, Myogiryuu
M11+: Ura, Chiyonoo, Tokushoryu

Edit: Swapped in Meisei for Takayasu.

Scythe fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jul 2, 2021

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Communist Thoughts posted:

I forget who he was fighting but I think it was in the last basho I saw someone just utterly counter enho by being twice as heavy as him and repeatedly blasting him in the face with full on headbutts as soon as he tried to drop down for the leg, driving him out of the ring.
You could see from enhos face he was really not enjoying that one

It was very brutal, a lot of enhos fights had an element of watching a car accident last time round

Yeah, from watching some of his fights it seems the key to beating Enho is just playing it safe. Be conservative at the tachiai because he's dodgy and his small size means that he's not going to overpower you even if you half-rear end it to avoid a henka. Play it safe at the rope because he's gonna try and go sideways on you. Take it slow and steady and force him into a pure strength contest, because he's going to lose one of those.

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



I will never forget the bout where Enho and (I think) Yutakayama just both stood up at the tachiai. Konosuke called a matta, so then they just...did it again. Stood up, didn't charge, just looked at each other like two cats about to fight in an alley. Konosuke just started shouting "Hakkeyoi!" and gesturing at them to get on with it. I think that could reasonably be called the moment when Enho was solved in makuuchi.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I believe I saw an Orora match where it seems he couldn't squat down all the way for the tachi-ai, and they just let it go.

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Kenning posted:

I will never forget the bout where Enho and (I think) Yutakayama just both stood up at the tachiai. Konosuke called a matta, so then they just...did it again. Stood up, didn't charge, just looked at each other like two cats about to fight in an alley. Konosuke just started shouting "Hakkeyoi!" and gesturing at them to get on with it. I think that could reasonably be called the moment when Enho was solved in makuuchi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWXZ5Sq9Xu0

First tachiai around 4:30

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Absolute legends.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Are any of you sumo purists who don't feel like you're really watching sumo without several minutes of standing up, walking away, foot stomping, salt throwing, and chicken scratching? I like to see it for the big matches, but mostly I'm happy to see Kintamayama's super-condensed digest version. (I don't feel like cutting the slow parts of matches is necessary, though.)

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


SKILCRAFT KREW Reppin' Quality Blind Made



Lipstick Apathy

The only sumo bout I've ever seen get a pro-wrestling style crowd pop

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Halloween Jack posted:

Are any of you sumo purists who don't feel like you're really watching sumo without several minutes of standing up, walking away, foot stomping, salt throwing, and chicken scratching? I like to see it for the big matches, but mostly I'm happy to see Kintamayama's super-condensed digest version. (I don't feel like cutting the slow parts of matches is necessary, though.)

I feel like that stuff being available is very important, but I sure as hell am not always in the mood for it, so how I actually watch varies. Hard agree on the editing thing as well, seems pointless...at least mark on the screen how much time you cut out :shrug:. I'll forgive him though because then he goes and posts something like that translated Enho interview (check a page or two back if you missed it) that was amazing.

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Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
Yeah, let's do this thing:

Y/O: Hakuho/Terunofuji/Takakeisho
S/K: Mitakeumi/Wakatakakage/Meisei
M1-M5: Endo/Hoshoryu/Okinoumi
M6-M10: AOIYAMA/Onosho/Terutsuyoshi
M11+: Ura/Ishiura/Chiyonokuni

Not a lot of thought in the top ranks, M6+ is just guys I thought were underranked or might overperform.

edit: subbed out Takayasu for Meisei

Dias fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jul 2, 2021

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