|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 00:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 01:23 |
|
|
"the Provisional IRA was a UK intelligence op" is a conspiracy too far out for me
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 01:21
|
|
|
Atrocious Joe posted:"the Provisional IRA was a UK intelligence op" is a conspiracy too far out for me Fun fact: Seán Mac Stíofáin (born John Edward Drayton Stephenson in London, England) attained the rank of corporal in the Royal Air Force before founding the Provisional IRA “the MRF operation was under the auspices of 39 Infantry Brigade and had been devised by Frank Kitson, who had left the province in April after having shaped the structure of the new force. The MRF was composed of several elements. The first was a group of regular soldiers who were divided into four-man units comprising a junior officer, a sergeant and two privates. They operated in plain clothes and drove civilian cars. The section to which Wright was attached was known as the 'Freds' and was composed of members of Republican and Loyalist paramilitary organisations who had been 'turned' by Special Branch and Army intelligence.” (The Dirty War, Martin Dillon, p. 37) “On his appointment in 1970 to command 39 Brigade in Belfast, Kitson had received the approval of his superiors to set up the MRF. He recruited 'turned' IRA members , nicknamed the 'Freds', who were sent to live in a British Army married quarters at Palace Barracks in Holywood, east Belfast. The undercover unit started out as a handful of soldiers under the command of a captain who operated only in Brigadier Kitson's area of responsibility and were known by the nick name of the 'Bomb Squad'. The name Mobile Reconnaissance Force was only given several weeks after the soldiers had begun to operate.” (Big Boys Rules, Mark Urban, p. 36) Also Google Freddie Scappaticci ("Stakeknife") and the Force Research Unit Also I want to reiterate: the two people who were most heavily involved in investigating the Kincora scandal were conveniently murdered by the Provisional IRA and the Real IRA, respectively
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 01:28
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 01:36
|
|
|
fine, I'll fix this one
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 01:38
|
|
|
appropriately, the chromecast icon showed up in my screenshot but I'm not casting anything
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 01:47
|
|
|
mawarannahr posted:I can’t believe you would let the community down by posting drunk... it is against the rules. posting about ireland... irish-ly.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 01:59
|
|
|
Since this is the Epstein thread, I figured I'd try n get this thread back on track a bit:Lobster, issue 8, p. 39 posted:[Bernie] Silver, it is said, organised the recruitment of prostitutes who worked in Northern Ireland on behalf of British intelligence. https://villagemagazine.ie/the-anglo-irish-vice-ring-chapters-4-7/ posted:Her Majesty’s spies decided they needed eyes and ears in Belfast and Derry to learn what was happening in Loyalist and Nationalist communities. Hence in the early 1970s they organised the establishment of ‘massage’ parlours and a number of brothels in Belfast which were fitted with hidden microphones and 35mm Olympus cameras. The Gemini Health Studio located on the Antrim Road, catered for heterosexual clients while the Gardenia on the Stranmillis Road attracted gay men. The Gemini opened its doors in the summer of 1970 promising “very attractive masseuses’ in advertisements in Belfast newspapers. A more upmarket brothel was located on the Malone Road. The operation was directed from offices in Churchill House, Government Building in Belfast. The objective was to gather information and recruit informers through blackmail. Bernie Silver, the vice king of Soho, helped set them up. He was flown into Belfast in 1970 and taken in an MoD vehicle to Lisburn where the general objective of the operation was discussed. Over the next ten days he scouted Belfast with bodyguards looking for suitable premises to convert into brothels and massage parlours and advised his intelligence partners how they should be run. On his return to London, Silver set about recruiting prostitutes for the establishment. The girls he selected were warned that they would be taking part in a risky but rewarding enterprise. The impression most of them got was that they would be entertaining British officers. They paid well above the going rates with their money going directly into UK bank accounts. The prostitutes were required to sign the Official Secrets Act and Silver was allowed to keep a large part of the money paid to them. The sparsely decorated Gemini was run by two Catholics who had been recruited by the MRF (a branch of military intelligence), a man and wife. For the sake of appearance, it had a rudimentary gym, sauna, and a solarium, which were rarely if ever used. Most clients headed for the dimly lit corridor flanked by a string of curtained cubicles. Inside there were iron-framed beds, wooden chairs and wardrobes. More significantly, large two-way mirrors were hung on the wall to hide cameras which took pictures of the customers in flagrante delicto. The other establishments were more plush with soft lighting and thick pile carpets. Here, targets waited for the prostitutes in a lounge and were served cocktails or coffee free of charge. All the rooms were fitted with concealed microphones. Conversations were recorded by operators in the attic. The spies also took pictures of various bedrooms, using remote controlled 35mm Olympus cameras. These were fitted with what were then quite sophisticated technology: the cameras had battery-powered motors so that after the shutter had been fired electrically, it wound the film to the next frame. To cover any sound from the mechanisms, the bedrooms had music piped to them. In March 1971, a masseuse working at the Gemini managed to get a Belfast SDLP councillor to reveal the names of the IRA men who had murdered three young Royal Highland Fusiliers. The identities of those apparently responsible were known inside the Catholic community but it had not yet been penetrated by British informers, at least not to any appreciable extent. "The Troubles" (Years of Lead / Strategy of Tension much???) really did have a bit of everything going on!
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 02:00
|
|
|
nomad2020 posted:There's nothing explicitly wrong about it, but we are also lazy creatures. There's a certain "art" to posting where you can make even walls of text seem interesting, but it definitely shouldn't make scrolling down feel like plummeting on a rollercoaster.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 03:19
|
|
|
multistability posted:Fun fact: Seán Mac Stíofáin (born John Edward Drayton Stephenson in London, England) attained the rank of corporal in the Royal Air Force before founding the Provisional IRA christ gh0stpinballa has issued a correction as of 03:25 on Jun 30, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 03:23
|
|
|
gh0stpinballa posted:Oh I agree he started those rumours, I'm talking more his supposed ties to the world of parapolitics. He has been seeding that narrative for years. The funny thing is almost by accident he actually ended up connected to real structural deep events thru the sheer power of Hollywood bullshit. Hype for that ep btw.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 03:57
|
|
|
Atrocious Joe posted:"the Provisional IRA was a UK intelligence op" is a conspiracy too far out for me I’m no expert on the troubles by any stretch, but it could very much have started as one, with the belief that they could have cracked down on any Irish resistance easily. Of course they underestimate the level of legitimate grievances, and they assumed the cops would crack heads instead of shooting into football games, and everything is off the the races from there. “Give weapons to right/left wing extremists and use it as an excuse to crack down on them” is a good strategy to increase social control. Unless those extremists can get the local population on their side, then you got a rebellion on your hand. Maybe some people in UK intelligence just underestimated how much everyone hates them.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 08:14
|
|
|
The Atomic Man-Boy posted:I’m no expert on the troubles by any stretch, but it could very much have started as one, with the belief that they could have cracked down on any Irish resistance easily. Of course they underestimate the level of legitimate grievances, and they assumed the cops would crack heads instead of shooting into football games, and everything is off the the races from there. Now, I am not saying that every provie was somehow (consciously and willingly) involved in a British counterintelligence op throughout the entire history of the Troubles. That would be absurd, and no doubt the vast majority of Provisionals were true believers in the physical force tradition of the IRA which they represented. However at the same time, consider this: https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/half-of-all-top-ira-men-worked-for-security-services-28694353.html Before I continue, some backstory is required: between the years of 1966-1972 or so, the working class in Northern Ireland (spearheaded by an explicitly-Marxist--pre-split--IRA), was on the brink of a revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Civil_Rights_Association posted:The Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA) was an organisation that campaigned for civil rights in Northern Ireland during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Formed in Belfast on 9 April 1967, the civil rights campaign attempted to achieve reform by publicising, documenting, and lobbying for an end to discrimination in areas such as elections (which were subject to gerrymandering and property requirements), discrimination in employment, in public housing and alleged abuses of the Special Powers Act. The genesis of the organisation lay in a meeting in Maghera in August 1966 between the Wolfe Tone Societies which was attended by Cathal Goulding, then chief of staff of the Irish Republican Army (IRA). During its formation, NICRA's membership extended to trade unionists, communists, liberals, socialists, with republicans eventually constituting five of the 13 members of its executive council. … Official Sinn Féin and Official IRA influence over NICRA grew in later years, but only as the latter's importance declined, when violence escalated between late 1969 until 1972, when NICRA ceased its work. Naturally, the explicitly-socialist agitation that took place between the years 1966-1972 led to fears of instability on the scale of an “Irish Cuba” on Britain's doorstep. Luckily for the Brits, in 1969 the IRA split into two factions: the Official IRA (the explicitly anti-sectarian, pro-Marxist faction), and the Provisional IRA (the explicitly pro-sectarian, anti-Marxist faction, founded by a guy named John Edward Drayton Stephenson who was a former corporal in the Royal Air Force). (As an aside, I also want to point out that for almost the entire history of Ireland's national struggle for independence, sectarianism had no part to play. The original Irish nationalists, the United Irishmen, were mostly Protestants. The aforementioned Wolfe Tone, perhaps the most celebrated Republican in Ireland's history, was a Protestant.) Anyway, what was the British establishment's assessment of the IRA, post-split? The Lost Revolution, p. 189 posted:The British Prime Minister had been apprised in late August of what his intelligence services thought OIRA intentions were. Information derived from a ‘delicate source’ outlined the Officials’ interest in ‘penetrating the trade union movement and in industrial action’ and their aim of cooperating with working-class Protestants. The British believed that the ‘military potential’ of the OIRA was ‘unimpaired’ despite their ceasefire but that while the organization had the ‘capacity’ to resume they feared touching off ‘widespread sectarian fighting’. The Lost Revolution, p. 183 posted:The Officials argued that while the ‘flame of sectarianism’ had originally been ‘lit by the British government and maintained by Orangeism’ it was now ‘being fanned by every bomb’. The Officials still claimed to respect the ‘courage and sincerity’ of ordinary Provisionals, but they warned that the inevitable outcome of the bombing campaign would be civil war. The Lost Revolution, p. 177 posted:Better publicity was derived from actions such as the hijacking of coal trucks near Newry. Most of the coal was emptied out on to the road for locals to collect, an OIRA statement saying the action was in ‘support of the striking coal miners of England’ and warning ‘strikebreakers… that similar treatment will be meted out to them unless they cease these activities immediately’. This and similar OIRA actions led British Prime Minister Ted Heath to inquire if that organization had ‘schemes to promote industrial action’ in Northern Ireland along the ‘lines of the recent miners’ strike’. He was reassured that the sectarian divisions among workers made republican-inspired strike action of that scale unlikely. Seems like that whole workers' revolution thing got conveniently nipped in the bud pretty early on. You might have noticed the year 1972 pop up a lot in my posts, incidentally this was a big year for the Troubles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles posted:The violence peaked in 1972, when nearly 500 people, just over half of them civilians, lost their lives, the worst year in the entire conflict. 1972 was the year that the events of Bloody Sunday took place, and also the year that the Military Reaction Force (SAS guys cosplaying as paramilitaries directing terrorist violence) was set up. The MRF ended up becoming something called the Force Research Unit, who had on its books a certain Freddie Scappaticci, the head of the Provisional IRA's Internal Security Unit (the IRA's central Intelligence department, responsible for, among other things, rooting out and killing "touts" (British informants) - hence their nickname the "Nutting Squad"). multistability has issued a correction as of 09:55 on Jun 30, 2021 |
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 09:28
|
|
|
this is the best thread
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 13:51
|
|
|
Delta-Wye posted:the earth is a flat database in a simulation
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 15:10
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1410278022415106054?s=19
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 17:54
|
|
|
hahahahahaYOU SEEEEEE,
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 17:55
|
|
|
it took a while to come up but apparently he also belonged to intelligence
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:05
|
|
|
holy poo poo it’s literally on a technicality
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:22
|
|
|
the ol' fmr prosecutor gave me immunity trick. havent seen that since a man name jeffery epstine
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:24
|
|
|
multistability posted:Before I continue, some backstory is required: between the years of 1966-1972 or so, the working class in Northern Ireland (spearheaded by an explicitly-Marxist--pre-split--IRA), was on the brink of a revolution: I think this is where we disagree. The UK security services having infiltrated the IRA to some degree makes sense, but this is the first I've heard that the Provisional IRA taking up arms prevented a revolution. Is that the Official IRA analysis?
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:29
|
|
|
The Saucer Hovers posted:hahahahahaYOU SEEEEEE, well he certainly doesn't
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:45
|
|
|
Courts Say The Darndest Things
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:47
|
|
|
what the gently caress
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:51
|
|
|
in other sex crime news https://twitter.com/AP/status/1410278879789555720?s=20
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:53
|
|
|
is there a book about NXIVM/Raniere yet? that was some real Eyes Wide Shut poo poo that people just kinda shook their head at and then moved on real fast lmao
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 18:55
|
|
|
Atrocious Joe posted:in other sex crime news i never watched smallville but i kinda want to check it out now just so i can laugh at this lady's scenes. holy poo poo that show has 10 seasons?
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:08
|
|
|
cosby learned all about rape drugs in naval intellegence
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:12
|
|
|
lmfao
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:15
|
|
|
smarxist posted:is there a book about NXIVM/Raniere yet? that was some real Eyes Wide Shut poo poo that people just kinda shook their head at and then moved on real fast lmao I thought it was more cult of personality type poo poo than class conspiracy type poo poo
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:18
|
|
|
Because the thread needs this.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:18
|
|
|
smarxist posted:is there a book about NXIVM/Raniere yet? that was some real Eyes Wide Shut poo poo that people just kinda shook their head at and then moved on real fast lmao HBO did a documentary series on it, "The Vow" DesertIslandHermit posted:Because the thread needs this. laughs insanely
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:22
|
|
|
how do i get one of these agreements to not be prosecuted for any crime ever
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:25
|
|
|
Shear Modulus posted:how do i get one of these agreements to not be prosecuted for any crime ever Have money, a good public reputation and don't be too left.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:29
|
|
|
DesertIslandHermit posted:Because the thread needs this. haha small world huh??
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:34
|
|
|
your honor, my client was pinky promised by a DA over a decade ago that he wouldn't go to jail for his numerous rapes
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:34
|
|
|
gradenko_2000 posted:HBO did a documentary series on it, "The Vow" the vow sucks big rear end and is so superficially drawn out that you maybe learn one thing an episode. It's been forever since i watched the first season but I remember it is wholly produced by ex-members so I felt there were a lot of weird blindspots that didn't really teach me much. I mean, we all knew the Bronfmans are monsters.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:38
|
|
|
smarxist posted:your honor, my client was pinky promised by a DA over a decade ago that he wouldn't go to jail for his numerous rapes FUHGETABBOUTIT!! GAVEL GAVEL
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:39
|
|
|
smarxist posted:your honor, my client was pinky promised by a DA over a decade ago that he wouldn't go to jail for his numerous rapes i checked the statutes, nowhere does it say a dog can't grant umbrella immunity for crimes
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 01:23 |
|
|
I’m beginning to believe this castor fellow isn’t the best.
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2021 19:51
|
|
