[succ] Go directly to the solutions tent, do not collect 600 dollars

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the_steve: Nov 9, 2005; We're always hiring!

mcmagic posted:

Why are they so upset? They utterly owned the Bernie people got their mommy a great job.

Because for Libs, it isn't enough that their enemy merely did not win. They must be utterly crushed and humiliated at every turn, forced to lay down and put their teeth on the curb at every opportunity. Anything less is unacceptable to them. Any day where Bernie is not forced to flagellate himself before Hillary and Kopmala while begging forgiveness for running against them is a day that the system has failed them.

Feldegast42 posted:

our electoral system is fundamentally illegitimate yet all the dems want to do is tell people to vote harder

That's because it's preferable to them to turn their voters on each other.
"The system didn't fail you! You failed the system! If you had voted better, this wouldn't have happened!"
And then you have an endless parade of worthless op-ed pieces about how it's your fault the Bad Person with a Red Tie won because you dared to vote for Good Person instead of Bad Person with a Blue Tie instead of any attempt to hold the party accountable for forcing poo poo candidates on us.

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Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

is there even an excuse for why the democrats arent just trying to make election day a national day considering how easily juneteenth became a thing this sounds like something they could easily spook ten republicans into doing

well not now of course since with juneteenth already being a holiday republicans can use the excuse of adding too many holidays at once will gently caress over the payrolls and manchin and sinema will probably agree with them lol

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:51

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Mirthless posted:

These are edge case problems that are only a problem in the first place because we don't guarantee paid time off to vote on a national level

Getting purged from the rolls is pretty loving hard and if people could get ID and update ID easier it would virtually never happen

These are issues that impact people of color disproportionately but they're caused by visible and addressable systemic issues that are within the sphere of influence of the federal government. If the Dems want to pass a law making election day a national holiday and force employers to offer time to vote, they have the ability to put that kind of law into place, but they need to write that law and champion that law and they aren't and they won't because it's not going to keep a national conversation going that pumps up donors for the next five years.

Democrats don't solve problems. I have never seen them do it once in my life. This is how they fix things. Reforms have time limits. Handouts have means testing. Everything has strings attached. The whole point isn't to fix america or push a progressive agenda, it's to keep the endless stream of money flowing into the pockets of the people running the party, and when progressive politics happen, they happen by accident. Marijuana Reform happened on a wave of ballot initiatives. Gay Rights was decided by the supreme court. The Democrats don't want to make people's access to voting better, or they would have done it, or tried to do it, instead of making a big loving deal over a state saying "hey you gotta have like an id or a social secruity card or your voter id card or like your student ID with like a bill from your current address..."

You think Republicans in every state they control the process are making voting harder for fun? Or do they think they are making it harder for the people they don't want to vote to vote?

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Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

well well it looks like some of how are forgetting that discussing and explaining why a decision was made is not an endorsement of that decision.

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Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

quote:

Rumsfeld was named �sexiest cabinet member� by People magazine in 2002, UPI reported.

even bearing in mind i cant remember most of who was in bushs cabinet at the time it seems unlikely to me that rumsfeld was somehow the most fuckable person in there

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:52

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006; Can't post for 2 hours!

Mirthless posted:

Surely now the Democrats will stop trying to fight this embarrassing public spectacle and will instead actually put effort into helping the demographics negatively impacted by these policies resolving the root cause of these issues

Surely now there will be willpower for reforming and modernizing the process of receiving and updating an identification card

Surely now there will be willpower for reforms that improve access to polling places in a meaningful way

reminder this is the same political organization that killed their own get out the vote organization when they had filibuster proof supermajorities in both houses and the presidency because a conservative cosplayed in a pimp outfit

demographics are destiny

coalition of the ascendant

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:53

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1410609679147749377

LOL these loving people turned Liz Cheney into a lib hero.

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:53

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

Mirthless posted:

Democrats don't solve problems. I have never seen them do it once in my life. This is how they fix things. Reforms have time limits. Handouts have means testing. Everything has strings attached. The whole point isn't to fix america or push a progressive agenda, it's to keep the endless stream of money flowing into the pockets of the people running the party, and when progressive politics happen, they happen by accident. Marijuana Reform happened on a wave of ballot initiatives. Gay Rights was decided by the supreme court. The Democrats don't want to make people's access to voting better, or they would have done it, or tried to do it, instead of making a big loving deal over a state saying "hey you gotta have like an id or a social secruity card or your voter id card or like your student ID with like a bill from your current address..."

the purpose of the democrat party is to demoralize the american public about political action

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:54

Excelzior: Jun 24, 2013

didnt Fauci get nominated for sexiest man alive

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Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

Some Guy TT posted:

is there even an excuse for why the democrats arent just trying to make election day a national day considering how easily juneteenth became a thing this sounds like something they could easily spook ten republicans into doing

well not now of course since with juneteenth already being a holiday republicans can use the excuse of adding too many holidays at once will gently caress over the payrolls and manchin and sinema will probably agree with them lol

if they make election day a national holiday they won't be able to run on how hard it is for poor people to vote, and they've been running on that for at least the last thirty years, so I don't see it happening any time soon

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Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

"I can't believe they're letting cosby get away with it!" - people who voted for joe biden

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1410609679147749377

LOL these loving people turned Liz Cheney into a lib hero.

looool

Uncle Wemus posted:

"I can't believe they're letting cosby get away with it!" - people who voted for joe biden

cosby 2024

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:55

Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002

https://twitter.com/elienyc/status/1410602832906973188?s=21

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:56

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

https://twitter.com/elienyc/status/1410602832906973188?s=21

DO SOMETHING

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:56

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1410609679147749377

LOL these loving people turned Liz Cheney into a lib hero.

Hahahahahahahahaha

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:57

Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

mcmagic posted:

You think Republicans in every state they control the process are making voting harder for fun? Or do they think they are making it harder for the people they don't want to vote to vote?

Who loving cares what their motivation is?

The main ways they "make voting harder" is by doing things like requiring identification and setting polling days/hours, which, again, Democrats could easily address with national policies that exist within the sphere of influence of the federal government

They have a majority right now. They had a filibuster proof majority in 2008-2010! They could have even reached across the aisle when Trump was making a big stink and tried to address voting access on a national level. They didn't! They didn't even try!

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:59

ram dass in hell: Dec 29, 2019

Feldegast42 posted:

lol that an unelected court with 5 justices installed by a president that lost the popular vote makes it so the minority political party can restrict voting rights all they want

# ? Jul 1, 2021 15:59

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Whoever is left of the Bush admin is going to be running the Dems by 2030

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:00

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006; Can't post for 2 hours!

Mirthless posted:

locating the handful of people who don't have an ID and doing what it takes to get them one

asking people verify who they say they are before they cast a vote isn't unreasonable if everyone has equal access to identification. why weren't we arguing for that? If people of color are so wildly and disproportionately negatively impacted by access to identification, isn't every moment they spend without identification a failure of Democratic policy?

getting a voter id if youre poor is intentionally crippled because the intention of these policies is to disenfranchise them. getting a voter id is intentionally underfunded, understaffed, bizarre hours, bad locations, long waits during work hours, etc.

it would be like saying that having literal 8+ hour long voting lines can be combatted by yelling at poor people to stay in them

keep in mind democrats do all this disenfranchisment and electoral rigging too and voting doesnt matter there's one party so just kind of roll your eyes and laugh at the failson caucus that cant keep up

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:01

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Eggplant Squire posted:

Whoever is left of the Bush admin is going to be running the Dems by 2030

it already is

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:02

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

Nichael posted:

it already is

Yeah but I mean openly

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:04

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006; Can't post for 2 hours!

Mirthless posted:

These are edge case problems that are only a problem in the first place because we don't guarantee paid time off to vote on a national level

Getting purged from the rolls is pretty loving hard and if people could get ID and update ID easier it would virtually never happen

These are issues that impact people of color disproportionately but they're caused by visible and addressable systemic issues that are within the sphere of influence of the federal government. If the Dems want to pass a law making election day a national holiday and force employers to offer time to vote, they have the ability to put that kind of law into place, but they need to write that law and champion that law and they aren't and they won't because it's not going to keep a national conversation going that pumps up donors for the next five years.

Democrats don't solve problems. I have never seen them do it once in my life. This is how they fix things. Reforms have time limits. Handouts have means testing. Everything has strings attached. The whole point isn't to fix america or push a progressive agenda, it's to keep the endless stream of money flowing into the pockets of the people running the party, and when progressive politics happen, they happen by accident. Marijuana Reform happened on a wave of ballot initiatives. Gay Rights was decided by the supreme court. The Democrats don't want to make people's access to voting better, or they would have done it, or tried to do it, instead of making a big loving deal over a state saying "hey you gotta have like an id or a social secruity card or your voter id card or like your student ID with like a bill from your current address..."

democratic donors absolutely do not want mass enfranchisement of poor voters even if it might help democrats electorally in the short term

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Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002

https://twitter.com/jaywillis/status/1410612149735497728?s=21

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:05

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

comedyblissoption posted:

getting a voter id if youre poor is intentionally crippled because the intention of these policies is to disenfranchise them. getting a voter id is intentionally underfunded, understaffed, bizarre hours, bad locations, long waits during work hours, etc.

it would be like saying that having literal 8+ hour long voting lines can be combatted by yelling at poor people to stay in them

keep in mind democrats do all this disenfranchisment and electoral rigging too and voting doesnt matter there's one party so just kind of roll your eyes and laugh at the failson caucus that cant keep up

i think its fascinating that either party tries to disenfranchise people from participating in the farce two-party system. why would they do it? all it serves to do it reduce their own legitimacy.

its not like they are preventing people from voting 3rd party and disrupting the system. they are preventing people from voting for the democratic party, a meaningless gesture!

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:05

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006; Can't post for 2 hours!

Mirthless posted:

Who loving cares what their motivation is?

The main ways they "make voting harder" is by doing things like requiring identification and setting polling days/hours, which, again, Democrats could easily address with national policies that exist within the sphere of influence of the federal government

They have a majority right now. They had a filibuster proof majority in 2008-2010! They could have even reached across the aisle when Trump was making a big stink and tried to address voting access on a national level. They didn't! They didn't even try!

they did less than try in 2008-2010. they literally killed their own major get out the vote organization. lol. lmao.

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Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002

beginning to think voting doesn�t matter

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:07

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006; Can't post for 2 hours!

Rutibex posted:

its not like they are preventing people from voting 3rd party and disrupting the system. they are preventing people from voting for the democratic party, a meaningless gesture!

uh the democrats literally did prevent people from voting 3rd party in the last presidential election all over the country

they successfully sued all over to remove the green party from the ballot

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:07

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Rutibex posted:

i think its fascinating that either party tries to disenfranchise people from participating in the farce two-party system. why would they do it? all it serves to do it reduce their own legitimacy.

the other side may only be controlled opposition, but people still rather they get the senator $$$ than their neighbour

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:07

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Mirthless posted:

Who loving cares what their motivation is?

The main ways they "make voting harder" is by doing things like requiring identification and setting polling days/hours, which, again, Democrats could easily address with national policies that exist within the sphere of influence of the federal government

They have a majority right now. They had a filibuster proof majority in 2008-2010! They could have even reached across the aisle when Trump was making a big stink and tried to address voting access on a national level. They didn't! They didn't even try!

You see me defending the democraps? They are tacitly allowing everything the republicans do to limit voting rights to happen.

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:08

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Mirthless posted:

this was never the right way to look at this argument, it's not how they're looking at this argument

even in lovely states there's a variety of alternative forms of identification you can apply for in advance and use at the polls, and the actual human being voters who want these policies are currently having a national paranoid meltdown over fake voters stealing the election, and maybe we could have avoided this whole thing if we'd spent all the time and money fighting ID requirements, on instead locating the handful of people who don't have an ID and doing what it takes to get them one

asking people verify who they say they are before they cast a vote isn't unreasonable if everyone has equal access to identification. why weren't we arguing for that? If people of color are so wildly and disproportionately negatively impacted by access to identification, isn't every moment they spend without identification a failure of Democratic policy?

frankly the signature requirement seems more anti-voter than anything about an ID. it makes absolutely no sense to say oh yeah, IDs are too onerous, but we will definitely look at your signature and compare it to what we have on the records and then determine, solely at our discretion, if it's good enough. no room for abuse there, no sirree

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Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002

https://twitter.com/jakesherman/status/1410610425071239171?s=21

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Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

comedyblissoption posted:

getting a voter id if youre poor is intentionally crippled because the intention of these policies is to disenfranchise them. getting a voter id is intentionally underfunded, understaffed, bizarre hours, bad locations, long waits during work hours, etc.

it would be like saying that having literal 8+ hour long voting lines can be combatted by yelling at poor people to stay in them

keep in mind democrats do all this disenfranchisment and electoral rigging too and voting doesnt matter there's one party so just kind of roll your eyes and laugh at the failson caucus that cant keep up

Getting a voter ID if you're poor is crippled because government traditionally operates on government hours and government hours have seen systemic cuts for generations, this isn't about restricting voting access or hurting the poor so much as it is about damaging the view Americans hold towards the government and Democrats have gleefully engaged in it every step of the way.

Like, the real issue here is that poor people have trouble getting identification, that is a much loving bigger problem than voting access, and Democrats are more interested in fixing the voting problem then they are in fixing the ID problem. WHY?

Edit: Just say it out loud, tell me this doesn't sound loving absurd: "Our constituents have trouble getting identification, our main legislative priority this year is making sure they don't need ID to vote"

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:12

the_steve: Nov 9, 2005; We're always hiring!

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1410609679147749377

LOL these loving people turned Liz Cheney into a lib hero.

And in a twist that surprises absolutely nobody, the Republican members of the committee have concluded that absolutely nothing bad happened on 1/6, everyone was invited out for ice cream.

Eggplant Squire posted:

Yeah but I mean openly

it already is

comedyblissoption posted:

uh the democrats literally did prevent people from voting 3rd party in the last presidential election all over the country

they successfully sued all over to remove the green party from the ballot

This is true. Plus the whole "media blackout unless you're one of the two main parties or a useful crazy person they can claim is representative of all third party candidates."

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:12

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

mcmagic posted:

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1410609679147749377

LOL these loving people turned Liz Cheney into a lib hero.

compare dem leadership�s treatment of liz cheney vs ilhan omar

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Happy Noodle Boy: Jul 3, 2002

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1410617455890690056?s=21

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:15

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

compare dem leadership�s treatment of liz cheney vs ilhan omar

Yeah well they like Liz way better!

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:15

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

LMAO the most democrat thing ever

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1410617744068726784?s=21

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:16

Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

I like when Joe "Acclaimed Rapist" Biden says "I'm the only white boy you know who did X". That's a good gimmick, he should bring that back.

# ? Jul 1, 2021 16:17

Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

mcmagic posted:

You see me defending the democraps? They are tacitly allowing everything the republicans do to limit voting rights to happen.

Of course they are, because they benefit from it. The national party never cared what Arizona (or any of those lovely red states :smug:

) wanted to do with it's voting laws anyway and just saw this as an opportunity to fleece their donors

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Nichael: Mar 30, 2011

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

LMAO the most democrat thing ever

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1410617744068726784?s=21

absolutely disgusting

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