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crispix posted:blocking supermarket shelves by standing beside your trolley while you read every word on the packets and ignoring someone doing the "please move" cough into their hand The new version of that during lockdowns was to visit the supermarket as a way to socialise with people. Grab a trolley, through some tinned peas in there. Then stand in the middle of the aisle while having a good old catch up with Rita and Dorris, and not loving move an inch when people trying to do a shop need to get by. e: 123 is a Lucas number. It is the eleventh member of the Mian-Chowla sequence. Oscar Romeo Romeo fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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Trying to stop people from meeting up in groups outdoors was a mistake there. People are going to meet up in groups, you need to give them the safest possible way of doing that or you just get that. The BLM protests gave ample evidence that it wasn't a driver of infection too.
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Jul 1, 2021 16:29
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Guavanaut posted:I knew Irving Finkel would save us all one day. Irving Finkel is cool and also looks like my dad.
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Jul 1, 2021 16:33
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Guavanaut posted:The BLM protests gave ample evidence that it wasn't a driver of infection too. But the biker rally meet ups were infection spreaders. They would be a high proportion group who would be anti-vaxxers and not believe it. So depends on the make up of the group themselves.
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Jul 1, 2021 16:39
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Sloth Life posted:Thanks all! There is a National Trust climate map I saw but I assume it's as imaginary as the other map already quoted. That map isn't terrible, but the problem with it is that their data sources are opague (the previous flood map does tell you it's based off satellite data with a 30m resolution if you go looking, this doesn't even do that). All they say is that it's based of a "continual increase in emissions" - which probably means a RCP 8.5 scenario, which is on the upper end of physical plausibility atm. We're actually below it, just. And it's overheating and humidity 1-5 metric seems completely in house and bespoke, so while the places it says will be hotter and more humid make sense, I don't know how bad it actually is compared the current situation of most of the UK being a 3 or even 4 by that metric. So yea, if there was more transparent on the data and what they were measuring I could judge it a bit better, but I can't even find that. Publishing findings to the public is important, people!
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Jul 1, 2021 16:46
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Guavanaut posted:Trying to stop people from meeting up in groups outdoors was a mistake there. It was poo poo. Like, proper depressing. Sounds like a bunch of well-meaning do-gooders who don't understand what "harm reduction" is kept gradually stripping all of the fun out of all of the original ideas until the entire thing was just pointless. Worse than pointless, even, since it was normalising meeting up in groups whilst not providing a safe environment where anyone would possibly want to do it.
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Jul 1, 2021 16:57
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Fear not Stong Nation Grate Britan, mummy will look after you
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Jul 1, 2021 17:25
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Here's a good article about sea level rise from carbon brief, that goes into where it comes from, the current estimates (50cm by 2100 if we get our poo poo together, 80cm if we don't), and some of the studies suggesting higher worse case scenarios than that (more around the 1.5m-2m) mark. Generic sea level rises also combine well with extreme weather events so that a 1 in 50,000 year event now occurs, say, once every 8000 years which is when a lot of fun* things start happening. Then it turns out that your flood defences were designed to withstand only 1 in 10,000 year events and whoops now half of London is underwater. And that assumes that it is possible to accurately classify an event as 1 in X years which has a lot of guesswork at the best of times, once you get to very rare events. *very much not fun at all
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Jul 1, 2021 17:27
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Comrade Fakename posted:This is the SCG, not the PLP. This is just saying that there aren't 40 votes for a challenge from left candidate, which we already knew. Someone on the soft left, like Angela Reyner or Dawn Butler, may be able to pull it off. Ah yes, the soft left. The same soft left that gave us Kieth Starmer
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Jul 1, 2021 17:51
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forkboy84 posted:Ah yes, the soft left. The same soft left that gave us Kieth Starmer Angela "Expel thousands" Rayner.
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Jul 1, 2021 17:54
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Angela "Expel thousands" Rayner. I'm sure that Expel Thousands were supporting Avenged Sevenfold on the 2018 tour.
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forkboy84 posted:Ah yes, the soft left. The same soft left that gave us Kieth Starmer He painted himself as soft left sure, but the hard right owns him & always has. e: like that should have been the biggest clue for anyone who trusted him, "look who's loving backing him"
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Jul 1, 2021 18:30
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There's no point in having a run around looking for nominations for a crap leadership candidate without a clear project or proper support. Any leader must be able to say 'I'm X, here are my key agenda items for rebuilding support for a Labour government and I know they'll be popular because they have the backing of SCG/unions/Momentum.' and then ramming that home to the public and internally, showing the door to anyone who can't get on board with it. The Corbyn moment is gone, any left replacement must show drive and authority at the start or they will not regain the same drive and it'll just end up like Starmer has.
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Jul 1, 2021 18:33
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namesake posted:There's no point in having a run around looking for nominations for a crap leadership candidate without a clear project or proper support. Any leader must be able to say 'I'm X, here are my key agenda items for rebuilding support for a Labour government and I know they'll be popular because they have the backing of SCG/unions/Momentum.' and then ramming that home to the public and internally, showing the door to anyone who can't get on board with it. The Corbyn moment is gone, any left replacement must show drive and authority at the start or they will not regain the same drive and it'll just end up like Starmer has. They even, if they want, have the luxury of pointing at Johnson and going "he did it as well and nobody gave a poo poo" when the Guardian compares them to turbomechastalin for purging people who actively leak to the Guardian against them.
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Jul 1, 2021 18:41
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Just wondering, does anyone know which episode of the podcast talked about that theme park idea for London that had an area called "The Woods". I remember it spawning a great picture with Jeremy Clarkson driving a dodgem which I also can't find. TIA
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Jul 1, 2021 18:44
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e: replying to namesake Well, yes, but there's no left candidate on the table (plus the left don't have the authority to take control of the party anyway). Anyone who can actually articulate a positive vision, isn't in the pocket of the hard right, and isn't a loving idiot would be fine. Because anyone who isn't a loving idiot would know that, although the left aren't strong enough to take control of the party, we are strong enough that they need our support, so they'd have to implement left wing policies in order to win. Think of it as a microcosm of society more generally. There's never been an Actually Good government & there probably never will be. The working class never got anything because the cunts in power graciously decided to give it to them. We've only ever achieved anything because the cunts in charge had literally no other choice. Like I'm not pledging allegiance to Andy Burnham or whomever, I know the soft left are a bunch of cunts, but we all know there's no electoral path to socialism anyway so I'll take whichever oval office is smart enough to recognise that in order to win they'll have to do some actually left wing poo poo. Pretend I posted that tweet about how voting isn't choose your fighter, it's choose your opponent.
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Jul 1, 2021 18:49
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Tesco and Sainsburys are now charging you £100 if you use the pay at pump service and then refunding what you don't use back to you. If you have less than £100 in your account and want to fill up with petrol you will need to pay at the kiosk or tough poo poo. Apparently this is due to the new rules from Visa and Mastercard but given Asda aren't doing it I'm not sure its entirely down to that. I guess they've had too many people pay with a card with an account with a tenner in and fill up the £100 max? Seems like a really stupid decision that will catch a lot of people out.
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Jul 1, 2021 18:50
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Borrovan posted:Bit glib that. Factionally, Sturmer was the hard right's candidate. No, it's not glib. Keith has been identified with the soft left and ran as such in the leadership contest. This isn't me taking a controversial position, Sir Kieth was backed by Compass, Ricky Tomlinson, as well as Adonis and Brown Blood & soil Nandy is another of the soft left. All the soft left are is soft on the Labour right & not to be trusted. Not Rayner, not Nandy, not anyone else that identifies as so willing to bend over for the right forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jul 1, 2021 |
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Jul 1, 2021 18:52
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serious gaylord posted:Tesco and Sainsburys are now charging you £100 if you use the pay at pump service and then refunding what you don't use back to you. If you have less than £100 in your account and want to fill up with petrol you will need to pay at the kiosk or tough poo poo. what the gently caress
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Jul 1, 2021 18:53
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serious gaylord posted:Tesco and Sainsburys are now charging you £100 if you use the pay at pump service and then refunding what you don't use back to you. If you have less than £100 in your account and want to fill up with petrol you will need to pay at the kiosk or tough poo poo. They've been doing that for years to stop people doing a runner, at least at the tesco local to me. The local one is self-service only, so you don't really have a choice.
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Jul 1, 2021 18:58
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Borrovan posted:Bit glib that. Factionally, Sturmer was the hard right's candidate. No, that was Lisa Nandy (or Jessflips). Not sure any of us actually trusted the guy but he was in fact running as the 'unity' soft left candidate.
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Jul 1, 2021 18:59
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serious gaylord posted:Tesco and Sainsburys are now charging you £100 if you use the pay at pump service and then refunding what you don't use back to you. If you have less than £100 in your account and want to fill up with petrol you will need to pay at the kiosk or tough poo poo. Credit cards are set up to deal with this automatically, you never see the £50/£100 charge on your account, the credit card provider knows that it's temporary and not real. Debit cards can't deal with that properly and you risk being overdrawn.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:02
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The whole thing just smacks of "the police are so under-resourced that they can't even chase up crimes when they have the suspect and their vehicle on video". Of course, the people who would be most outraged about this are the ones most likely to have >£100 in their bank account when they go to the pump, so no-one* will actually care.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:05
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Auth holds seldom beat people into a coma so I know which of the two I'd prefer, but the actual solution is for debit cards to be less bad or for there to be a type of credit card that has a revolving credit of a day or so for people who don't like/feel comfortable with outstanding debt.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:07
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I mean fair enough that was the orthodoxy & that's how he tried to paint himself, but Progress & Labour First were both backing him (as well as jessflaps until lol). I think Nandy had Blue Labour (but was also trying to paint herself as soft left?) Basically my point is that a candidate who's power relies on the backing of the two most powerful of the three hard right groups that anyone's heard of, & who care only about annihilating the left, can't really be described as " Like they can claim it, & their Graun mates can repeat it, but c'mon
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Jul 1, 2021 19:09
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Guavanaut posted:Auth holds seldom beat people into a coma so I know which of the two I'd prefer, but the actual solution is for debit cards to be less bad or for there to be a type of credit card that has a revolving credit of a day or so for people who don't like/feel comfortable with outstanding debt. There is, it's called any credit card, if you remember to pay it off immediately. Hell PayPal's credit card allows you to do it automatically if you want.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:11
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He said he was soft left but literally nothing about him or anything he’d done or anyone backing him indicated that was true. Ricky Tomlinson sure but I hardly think Jim Royal is all that relevant, and Adonis is Tony ‘Thatcher’s Greatest Achievement’ Blair’s biggest cheerleader. That and all the Sensible Centrists (read: people who hate the left, soft, hard, turgid or otherwise) gave themselves wet dreams over him. Howay fellow leftists, let’s at least realise that when former DPP, hero of the anti-Corbynites and Blair-lovers, Sir Keith Starmer says he’s going to implement soft left policies, he’s extremely obviously taking us for mugs.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:18
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There is, it's called any credit card, if you remember to pay it off immediately. Hell PayPal's credit card allows you to do it automatically if you want. I'm not going to give anyone poo poo for worrying about things like that after the past 15 years, and there's no reason why card providers couldn't just make debit cards less bad other than they don't do anything unless forced.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:19
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Having your credit card paid off automatically sounds terrifying, same as the option to repay the full balance each month instead of the minimum payment. I mean I usually pay mine off within a few days of using it but I feel like it would be so easy to get caught out and fall into a massive overdraft pit.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:21
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Doccykins posted:Fear not Stong Nation Grate Britan, mummy will look after you Diana... KILL!
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Jul 1, 2021 19:24
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It's completely obvious that the Labour Party isn't currently a leftwing project but any hope of making it one relies on showing that there is a leftwing project within Labour rather than just some leftwing people. Failing to cohere en mass around core socialist principles and people ready to take that forward in leadership roles shows that there isn't that project within Labour and that's ruinous for the prospects of any comeback at all. You shouldn't be bargaining for influence over leadership with groups outside of your general ideology, you organise to take that leadership and hold that power permanently.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:24
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Wrath of Mordark posted:Just wondering, does anyone know which episode of the podcast talked about that theme park idea for London that had an area called "The Woods". I remember it spawning a great picture with Jeremy Clarkson driving a dodgem which I also can't find. Episode 54. e: https://www.podbean.com/ea/pb-kn4ic-ef790e
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Jul 1, 2021 19:35
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Miftan posted:Episode 54. Cheers!
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not going to give anyone poo poo for worrying about things like that after the past 15 years, and there's no reason why card providers couldn't just make debit cards less bad other than they don't do anything unless forced. I have never had a credit card, only debit cards. To be honest wasn't much of a choice really, got a debit card when I was in uni, they hosed me over at an atm charging me 5 quid to take out the last 20 meaning I couldn't take it out as it was now 15, shut down the account the next week, and never got a card until got proper work years later. Can't see ever getting anything on credit, I either can afford it or its next time maybe.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:47
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happyhippy posted:Can't see ever getting anything on credit, I either can afford it or its next time maybe. They're handy to have for big purchases just for the protection you get under the Consumer Credit Act. I usually use mine if I'm spending more than a few hundo on anything and pay it off straight away.
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Jul 1, 2021 19:50
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stev posted:They're handy to have for big purchases just for the protection you get under the Consumer Credit Act. I usually use mine if I'm spending more than a few hundo on anything and pay it off straight away. Anything i buy online is via a credit card for exactly this reason. A mess on a credit card is their problem, a mess on a debit card is very much YOUR problem which can be quite unpleasant.
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happyhippy posted:I have never had a credit card, only debit cards. To be honest wasn't much of a choice really, got a debit card when I was in uni, they hosed me over at an atm charging me 5 quid to take out the last 20 meaning I couldn't take it out as it was now 15, shut down the account the next week, and never got a card until got proper work years later. I use credit cards (which I pay off at the end of the month) for online transactions because of the protection factor, but since lockdown I've shifted to just doing *everything* by credit card because ultimately if it gets skimmed or stolen and somebody goes mad with it it doesn't then leave me completely skint as it would if my debit card got misused. The one thing that always concerns me is the fact that almost all of my cards have limits considerably higher than my monthly take-home pay (I'm one of those tedious pricks who goes deal-shopping for cashback offers) without me ever requesting even that much and my total limit, spread among those cards, is way higher than my salary. Someone with poorer urge-control than me (like, say, me ten years ago) could get into *really* bad trouble really quickly that way, and I think there needs to be controls similar to online gambling sites to try and stop that. Of course as the majority of our economy is now reliant on poor urge control and lack of understanding of finance I can't see that happening.
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Credit cards should not be used by anyone with a lack of discipline or self control with money
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The government dashboard has added a map of vaccination percentages: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/vaccinations Since it's pretty much a proxy for 'where are all the young people' it's amazing to see all the cities as lighter, less vaccinated blobs amid real levels of protection and think about what that means for socio-economic attitudes across those ranges.
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