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OldMemes posted:I'm re-listening to Davros after not hearing this one for years and years. Terry Molloy has some great monologues in it, and separating Davros from the Daleks is interesting. Davros just might be my favorite Doctor Who story, ever.
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Davros1 posted:Davros just might be my favorite Doctor Who story, ever. The Sixth Doctor trying to be stealthy, seeing that the bad guys have Davros and getting so indignant that he marches over to give them a verbal dressing down is hilarious. Terry Malloy's opening monologue as he gets more and more worked up and his voice gets more and more like a Dalek is so well done. What's creepy about Davros isn't just how evil he is, but how incredibly messed up he is - he already had a nuke dropped on him and refused to die out of sheer hatred and rage, but add on the repeated cloning, cybernetic enhancements and the effects of time travel and extended suspended animation, he's a mess. The body horror of Davros feels like that's what they should have gone for with the Emperor in Rise of Skywalker. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jun 30, 2021 |
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All sent! Good luck everyone else! 
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OldMemes posted:The body horror of Davros feels like that's what they should have gone for with the Emperor in Rise of Skywalker. The results were mixed, but The Witch's Familiar with Davros playing up the anguish of not being able to die, especially as he's being kept alive by his own "children" who simultaneously despise him, and his interactions with the Doctor are so great.
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There was too much  ery about Davros in that story for me to enjoy it. "Oh, my eyes weren't burnt out by a nuke requiring the implantation of a cybernetic one in my forehead at all, I just couldn't be bothered to open them. And I know I said that I need my life-support chair to survive for more than 30 seconds, but guys - I'm a mad scientist, c'mon!"
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Yes but on the flip side, you've got all the Daleks simultaneously recoiling from the Doctor showing up in Davros' chair  
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Jul 1, 2021 08:22
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Payndz posted:There was too much Maybe he got a few surgeries in preparation for meeting the Doctor.
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I read a summary of 'The Magician's Apprentice', and I'd forgotten - or blotted from my mind - an awful lot of it. This was the season where I later gave up on the show, and I think the Divorced Dad Midlife Crisis energy of a shades-wearing Twelve bursting through the wall of a Middle Ages castle in a tank while delivering a guitar solo used up much of what was left of my patience. Like a lot of Moffat's later stories, the core of the tale - the moral quandry set up by Four of "could you kill that child?" when Twelve encounters the young Davros - was almost buried by bullshit. But that's just my opinion, man.
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OldMemes posted:The Sixth Doctor trying to be stealthy, seeing that the bad guys have Davros and getting so indignant that he marches over to give them a verbal dressing down is hilarious. Terry Malloy's opening monologue as he gets more and more worked up and his voice gets more and more like a Dalek is so well done. Not only that, you have the scenes where Davros is utterly bewildered by Lorraine's acts of kindness towards him. Like he said in the story, the moments with her were the first time in his life where someone wasn't trying to kill him. He lives his entire life in fear of being killed. That's horrific. And that heartbreaking moment where he confesses that the Doctor is the closest thing he has to a friend. On the flip side, the sheer level of pettiness between him and the Doctor are wonderful, and could only be pulled off by Colin and Terry. Davros starting work early knowing it would only make the Doctor look bad is wonderful. "With my chariot, I don't need to sleep." "With my Time Lord physiology I don't need much sleep either!" They're so bitchy.
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Torchwood is… real? https://twitter.com/bleedingcool/status/1410554227924013061
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Payndz posted:I read a summary of 'The Magician's Apprentice', and I'd forgotten - or blotted from my mind - an awful lot of it. This was the season where I later gave up on the show, and I think the Divorced Dad Midlife Crisis energy of a shades-wearing Twelve bursting through the wall of a Middle Ages castle in a tank while delivering a guitar solo used up much of what was left of my patience. Like a lot of Moffat's later stories, the core of the tale - the moral quandry set up by Four of "could you kill that child?" when Twelve encounters the young Davros - was almost buried by bullshit. Oh you're not wrong.
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Y'know what is awesome? There have been no bad doctors. Only bad showrunners. No franchise has a "no bad main characters" like this one. Literally none. Not a single one.
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I agree over all but for me Tennant comes perilously close Definitely I think everyone knows by now that the traditional "bad doctor" (Colin Baker) is nothing of the sort and is actually one of the greatest
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I'll never forget the first time I heard the Emperor Dalek boom out "DOC-TOR!", even as simply audio it was pretty loving chilling. Really looking forward to this one (I mean, I look forward to all of them, but this one in particular!).
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Barry Foster posted:Definitely I think everyone knows by now that the traditional "bad doctor" (Colin Baker) is nothing of the sort and is actually one of the greatest Especially in the classic serial, Timelash.
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BBC make me showrunner you cowards
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CommonShore posted:BBC make me showrunner you cowards What would you do? I used to be so inspired for Who ideas, I just don't have them anymore.
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Open Source Idiom posted:What would you do? I'd be significantly hands off and never write or direct an episode myself, instead focusing on script editing and team management. The heart of the show would be an extremely diverse writers room. At least 80% of the shots per season would be sound stage shoots, to make the process easier for the cast and crew. When script editing, the writer's room would ask for every single any scene or shot, "how can we do this on a sound stage or studio set instead of on location so that our actors don't burn out?" I'd pull in good directors from the show's past and give some of them opportunities to have auteur projects on the show if they have scripts or concepts to use. I'd solicit sci fi/fantasy authors, and maybe even some actors, for story concepts or outlines which could be completed by the writers' room. I'd also reach out to Big Finish writers for scripts, concepts, or outlines. There would be no "Doctor who canon" stories during my tenure, and minimal series arcs. The tone of the show would shift away from being a puzzle box long arc prestige TV format and more towards self-contained episodes with more of standalone shorts thing going on. Having good individual stories will always be subordinate to having series narratives, which will happen mostly through character development instead of through puzzle boxes/recurring villains/apocalyptic threats.
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CommonShore posted:
The most Big Finish idea I ever had for a Doctor Who episode was to have an episode end with a companion getting left behind as the TARDIS leaves but then a moment later it lands again, except it's Paul McGann's Doctor so we get an episode with a modern companion and a just before the Time War 8th Doctor episode, and then at the end of that episode the same thing happens, but it's the Current Doctor coming back to pick up the companion. I just really want more Paul McGann episodes, but maybe just a Christmas Special?
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I'd bring back the humorous political satire, as opposed to the biting political satire we've had since RTD.
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If I were showrunner I would simply make the show good. I don’t why Chibnall hasn’t tried that yet, it’s so simple.
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Edward Mass posted:I'd bring back the humorous political satire, as opposed to the biting political satire we've had since RTD. Bring back the farts.
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The first thing any new show runner should do is bring back Chris Noth's character long enough for him to get some (ANY) comeuppance and then 86 him for good. I don't know why that sticks in my craw so bad.
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Flight Bisque posted:The first thing any new show runner should do is bring back Chris Noth's character long enough for him to get some (ANY) comeuppance and then 86 him for good. Or is that  ?
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LividLiquid posted:Pretty sure I do. It's like, yeah ok I can see letting him get off lightly once, poo poo happens, bad people get away with stuff even in kids shows about fighting pepper pots. But twice?! Especially with the obvious real life basis for his character? That real life guy is going to (most likely, because this is hell) get off light, so I need to see his fictional counterpart get his. Even the fake George W Bush* got killed by the Master! Failing that, a new show runner should send them back to throw Margaret Thatcher into a black hole. *it has been a while since I watched that episode, so he might not have been a GWB expy, that's just how I remember it.
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I'd kill off the time lords again. or bring them back. whichever is in turn at that point.
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Cerv posted:I'd kill off the time lords again. It always struck me as odd that Second Doctor only summoned the Time Lords as an absolute last resort and he remained terrified of them the whole time, but the Third Doctor meets them and he's all "Oh it's these pricks again". They should just reveal that "The Time Lords" we see after The War Games are just the one's who weren't able to put being a lovely physical thing behind, or just the native Gallifreyans who found the remains of the Time Lords society, they're still god-like in power and ability but they're not the TRUE lords of time, and The Doctor realized that at some point and stopped giving a poo poo about them as an authority. But then they'd show the REAL Time Lords as lovely evil people in the same way, and continue on, and they'll just have a War In TIme But Worse thing.
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CommonShore posted:At least 80% of the shots per season would be sound stage shoots, to make the process easier for the cast and crew. When script editing, the writer's room would ask for every single any scene or shot, "how can we do this on a sound stage or studio set instead of on location so that our actors don't burn out?" quote:There would be no "Doctor who canon" stories during my tenure, and minimal series arcs. The tone of the show would shift away from being a puzzle box long arc prestige TV format and more towards self-contained episodes with more of standalone shorts thing going on. Having good individual stories will always be subordinate to having series narratives, which will happen mostly through character development instead of through puzzle boxes/recurring villains/apocalyptic threats. 
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Payndz posted:Weirdly, I had exactly this thought today. Not every episode has to involve shipping the entire cast and crew across the country, or even another country entirely. Greenscreens exist. Do your CG establishing shot, then cut to the set. Save your goddamn money. Doctor Who would look great filmed with a Volume like Mandolorian. You could get some properly stunning alien vistas that look like a quarry.
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Look right now I'd just settle for there being more than ONE episode in a year  BooDooBoo posted:The most Big Finish idea I ever had for a Doctor Who episode was to have an episode end with a companion getting left behind as the TARDIS leaves but then a moment later it lands again, except it's Paul McGann's Doctor so we get an episode with a modern companion and a just before the Time War 8th Doctor episode, and then at the end of that episode the same thing happens, but it's the Current Doctor coming back to pick up the companion. I loved when they did this with Charley and the Sixth Doctor and she had to keep going out of her way to avoid letting him know her past.
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Jerusalem posted:Look right now I'd just settle for there being more than ONE episode in a year Is the current status that we're not likely to get a new series til 2022?
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CommonShore posted:Is the current status that we're not likely to get a new series til 2022? That recent story about a potential new actor casually mentioned "specials" in 2022 which gave me the horrible thought that we're gonna get like 6 episodes this year and then 2 next year and no full season till 2023 (if then). People used to claim that Moffat blew the budget on season 5 (the best season) and that's why the production schedule got thrown for a loop for the rest of his tenure, and maybe there is some credence to that claim, but given Chibnall's demonstrated success as a showrunner on Broadchurch (writing quality aside, the show was cast, produced and released without delay) I have to assume the continued failure to deliver a regular schedule is down to some problem higher up in the BBC.
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Are my eyes deceiving me or do people actually want more boring as gently caress DW from Chibnall?  I mean, yes, Jodie's great and all. But she's saddled with bad plots, boring stories, and horrible characterization from one of the most stultifyingly dull minds ever to be put in charge of the show. And it's not just me, the resident non-nuWho fan, who's said these things in the past ITT. Whoever said that Chibnall's waste of Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor is practically a crime was spot on. Why would anyone be clamoring to see more of it? At this point they should just pull another Michael Grade, and put the show on hiatus for a bit. But this time, fire the showrunner and keep Jodie as the Doctor.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Are my eyes deceiving me or do people actually want more boring as gently caress DW from Chibnall? Looks like your eyes are deceiving you, as near everybody has said they dislike Chibnall as showrunner. Wanting there to be more than a couple of episodes a year (or only ONE!) of Doctor Who is a completely unrelated matter. Either get a new showrunner, or bring back the old Producer/Script Editor split, or one of a 1000 other things (hopefully none of which involve removing Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor, because she's the best thing the show has going right now), but whatever they do: I want more than one episode a year! That's just a cruel tease at this point!
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Jerusalem posted:Looks like your eyes are deceiving you, as near everybody has said they dislike Chibnall as showrunner. Wanting there to be more than a couple of episodes a year (or only ONE!) of Doctor Who is a completely unrelated matter. Well yeah, in an ideal world I'd agree with you 100%, but unfortunately we're stuck with Chibbers, which is why I said (mostly in jest, which I admit I didn't make as clear as I should've) that it boggled my mind anyone would want to see more of his take on DW, since that's all people are gonna get for the foreseeable future: the styrofoam packing-level of excitement that is Chinball Who.
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My stance is that Chibnall sucks poo poo overall but a couple of A+++ episodes squeak through every series, so I'll watch whatever they throw at me (it's the Harlequin Romance situation, basically). I'd rather just have it sooner rather than later. Also giving Chibnall more time to work on it is just more time for him to cook up overwrought dumbass poo poo. I feel as if the cast they have will do better with underwritten material. Put it in their hands, empower them to play with the material a bit, and start filming.
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Hell, let Jodie Whittaker film stuff in her house in costume and just put it on television. She already nailed it once in her COVID message thing she did, go full This Is The End with it and make Pineapple Express 3.
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