Pener Kropoopkin posted:

check the replies for marketoid tears

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/ColdEmpanadas/status/1410949100925751298



I feel a little crazy right now because it looks like it checks out but the propagandized part of my brain is still twitching to tell it's a little bit too good to be true

indigi posted:

two loving hours, Jesus Christ. I wish people would just cut together a highlight reel

Palladium posted:

drat you china why aren't you wasting money on bombing brown people

Red and Black posted:

https://twitter.com/tculpan/status/1410402698176782336

Huh, thanks for the info Tim. Quick question though, what country was Taiwan a part of 100 years ago?

AnimeIsTrash posted:

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Ringo Roadagain posted:

same, its loving with me but looks legit I think? looked to see if any one bike appears twice which would indicate its altered but not finding any

Homeless Friend posted:

its cool that places without guns they go fuckin cold steel. yeah we got the body county, but we've all seen a whole building getting shot up in every movie. theres no panache

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It doesn't necessarily mean that no innocent people died, but it's not exactly the massacre in the square that popular imagination thinks of.

lollontee posted:

the majority of murders in finland are done with knives, while drunk

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i was too young at the time, and have wondered how exactly did this happen? even the western reporters that were in beijing and in the square reported no massacre. was it just ignored and overshadowed by the reactionary punditry? did the manufacturing consent machine just wait a minute and then platform all the organizers the CIA airlifted out to say whatever nonsense?

i bet if you were to ask, a large number of americans will suffer some mandela effect and absolutely tell you they remember seeing a man get run over by a tank on TV

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/hoccgoomusic/status/1410629120128544772?s=20
https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1410839284320391168?s=20

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i was too young at the time, and have wondered how exactly did this happen? even the western reporters that were in beijing and in the square reported no massacre. was it just ignored and overshadowed by the reactionary punditry? did the manufacturing consent machine just wait a minute and then platform all the organizers the CIA airlifted out to say whatever nonsense?

i bet if you were to ask, a large number of americans will suffer some mandela effect and absolutely tell you they remember seeing a man get run over by a tank on TV

quote:

The resilient tale of an early morning Tiananmen massacre stems from several false eyewitness accounts in the confused hours and days after the crackdown. Human rights experts George Black and Robin Munro, both outspoken critics of the Chinese government, trace many of the rumor’s roots in their 1993 book, Black Hands of Beijing: Lives of Defiance in China’s Democracy Movement. Probably the most widely disseminated account appeared first in the Hong Kong press: a Qinghua University student described machine guns mowing down students in front of the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of the square. The New York Times gave this version prominent display on June 12, just a week after the event, but no evidence was ever found to confirm the account or verify the existence of the alleged witness. Times reporter Nicholas Kristof challenged the report the next day, in an article that ran on the bottom of an inside page; the myth lived on. Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred.

Most of the hundreds of foreign journalists that night, including me, were in other parts of the city or were removed from the square so that they could not witness the final chapter of the student story. Those who tried to remain close filed dramatic accounts that, in some cases, buttressed the myth of a student massacre.

For example, CBS correspondent Richard Roth’s story of being arrested and removed from the scene refers to “powerful bursts of automatic weapons, raging gunfire for a minute and a half that lasts as long as a nightmare.” Black and Munro quote a Chinese eyewitness who says the gunfire was from army commandos shooting out the student loudspeakers at the top of the monument. A BBC reporter watching from a high floor of the Beijing Hotel said he saw soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the center of the square. But as the many journalists who tried to watch the action from that relatively safe vantage point can attest, the middle of the square is not visible from the hotel.

A common response to this corrective analysis is: So what? The Chinese army killed many innocent people that night. Who cares exactly where the atrocities took place? That is an understandable, and emotionally satisfying, reaction. Many of us feel bile rising in our throats at any attempt to justify what the Chinese leadership and a few army commanders did that night.

But consider what is lost by not giving an accurate account of what happened, and what such sloppiness says to Chinese who are trying to improve their press organs by studying ours. The problem is not so much putting the murders in the wrong place, but suggesting that most of the victims were students. Black and Munro say “what took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents — precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.” They argue that the government was out to suppress a rebellion of workers, who were much more numerous and had much more to be angry about than the students. This was the larger story that most of us overlooked or underplayed.

It is hard to find a journalist who has not contributed to the misimpression. Rereading my own stories published after Tiananmen, I found several references to the “Tiananmen massacre.” At the time, I considered this space-saving shorthand. I assumed the reader would know that I meant the massacre that occurred in Beijing after the Tiananmen demonstrations. But my fuzziness helped keep the falsehood alive. Given enough time, such rumors can grow even larger and more distorted. When a journalist as careful and well-informed as Tim Russert, NBC’s Washington bureau chief, can fall prey to the most feverish versions of the fable, the sad consequences of reportorial laziness become clear. On May 31 on Meet the Press, Russert referred to “tens of thousands” of deaths in Tiananmen Square.

The facts of Tiananmen have been known for a long time. When Clinton visited the square this June, both The Washington Post and The New York Times explained that no one died there during the 1989 crackdown. But these were short explanations at the end of long articles. I doubt that they did much to kill the myth.

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/hoccgoomusic/status/1410629120128544772?s=20
https://twitter.com/badiucao/status/1410839284320391168?s=20

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Samog posted:

the washington post's man in tiananmen at the time wrote a little bit about it (https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php):

quote:

After the protests, Wu'erkaixi was No 2 on China's list of most wanted student leaders. He fled to France through Hong Kong under the aegis of Operation Yellowbird,[6] and then studied at Harvard University in the United States.

gradenko_2000 posted:

America could use a Cultural Revolution

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Enhance___/status/1411075196853710852

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

i was too young at the time, and have wondered how exactly did this happen? even the western reporters that were in beijing and in the square reported no massacre. was it just ignored and overshadowed by the reactionary punditry? did the manufacturing consent machine just wait a minute and then platform all the organizers the CIA airlifted out to say whatever nonsense?

i bet if you were to ask, a large number of americans will suffer some mandela effect and absolutely tell you they remember seeing a man get run over by a tank on TV

crepeface posted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-03/bob-hawke-tiananman-classified-cable/100184916

quote:

"The whole incident occurred because there was this life and death power struggle going on at the highest levels of the Chinese government.

"[The informant] would, of course, be reflecting the views, and the hopes and the fears of one particular group; the group that lost out.

"So there would be a vested interest in conveying as bad a picture as possible, of what the people on the other side of this power struggle were doing and were responsible for."

quote:

But she said that later, after being presented with new information about the event, he came to a realisation that some of the details were incorrect. Although, he did not voice any regrets.

Samog posted:

the washington post's man in tiananmen at the time wrote a little bit about it (https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php):

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Enhance___/status/1411075196853710852

stephenthinkpad posted:

The Pearl Harbor expert has given his opinion.

lollontee posted:

the majority of murders in finland are done with knives, while drunk