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30.5 Days: Nov 19, 2006

My "Poland did not perpetrate the Holocaust" banner has people asking etc

# ? Jun 29, 2021 09:27

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# ? May 25, 2024 18:18

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Death to Israel

https://twitter.com/linahalsaafin/status/1409752611792764933?s=21

https://twitter.com/sally_abed/status/1409778479185399812?s=21

Israelis are rabid dogs who will never learn unless forced to.

Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 10:24 on Jun 29, 2021

# ? Jun 29, 2021 09:44

John Charity Spring: Nov 4, 2009; SCREEEEE

https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1409578192772513796

the cruelty is just so shameless

# ? Jun 29, 2021 12:32

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

dti
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1409855394843971586?s=20

# ? Jun 29, 2021 16:50

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's totally unnecessary for the US too. Your average American has no idea that many Polish people collaborated in the Holocaust, let alone the camps that were set up in Poland. There's still no question that the Germans are responsible for perpetrating it.

Yair must be getting a payout by some right wing Polish group, because he seems to just be saying this totally unbidden.

imagine I bothered to look up the clip of that TV show with the right wing person saying �but we can agree that the US ended the Holocaust� and the host saying �uh that was the Soviet Union�. it�s just geography.

# ? Jun 29, 2021 17:19

Rah!: Feb 21, 2006

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

i saw a truck proclaiming a similar thing on a roadtrip a while ago. seems like a PiS thing. very very weird

"german not nazi"

a polish nazi would never do such a thing

# ? Jun 29, 2021 17:42

Rah!: Feb 21, 2006

Al-Saqr posted:

Death to Israel

# ? Jun 29, 2021 17:43

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

Just snuck this into a script at work:

code:

docker run -dti

# ? Jun 29, 2021 23:04

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Pro-Fatah mobilizations in the West Bank. This comes after days of protests against Abbas and the PA.
https://twitter.com/ShehabAgency/status/1410294065493594115?s=20

quote:

#شاهد Gunmen from the "Fatah" movement fire live bullets in the air and roam the streets of Bethlehem in a rally in support of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas

# ? Jun 30, 2021 18:51

Laopooh: Jul 15, 2000

Can someone post a summary of the PA vs people on the ground schism thing happening? Did they sell out? I don't have time to follow this daily but also don't trust google to give me clean search results on the matter. I trust goons (lol) way more.

# ? Jul 1, 2021 03:43

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

The argument against the PA is that it essentially functions as collaborators with the Israelis. This article lays out some of the reasoning there.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/palestine-nizar-banat-killing-why-pa-days-numbered

quote:

The horrific murder of Palestinian dissident Nizar Banat last week at the hands of the Palestinian Authority (PA) security forces is no more than the latest manifestation of the very reason that the PA was established through the September 1993 Oslo Accords as a collaborating body with the Israeli apartheid regime under US sponsorship.

Banat's murder is the latest manifestation of the very reason the PA was established as a collaborating body with the Israeli apartheid regime under US sponsorship

The Oslo Accords were followed by the Cairo agreement of May 1994, which stipulated under the heading "Palestinian Security" that "The Palestinian Police will operate under the auspices of the Palestinian Authority and will be responsible for internal security and public order. It will include 9,000 policemen, 7,000 of whom may come from abroad. The Palestinians will act to prevent terror against Israelis in the areas under their control."

This was the birth certificate of the PA mercenary force, which the Israelis charged with suppressing and killing the resisting Palestinians.

The arrangement was formalised again and extended in the Oslo II agreement, signed in Taba in September 1995 and witnessed four days later in Washington, with President Bill Clinton and the EU ambassador, among others, overseeing the ceremony, wherein the Israeli occupying army subcontracted "responsibility for public order and internal security" to "the Palestinian Police ..." beyond Gaza and Jericho to what was termed "Area A" of the West Bank.

The US and the EU (the latter at least since 2006) undertook the financing and training of the Palestinian police force, charged with repressing the Palestinian people and the protection of Israel's colonial regime.
...

The PA police arrangement in fact replicated, and was perhaps inspired by, the South African apartheid state�s use of the Black police to suppress Black resistance before 1994, an arrangement that reduced the danger to the lives of white policemen.

Subcontracting the repressive functions of the Israeli military occupation to Palestinian mercenaries since 1993 was a welcome change for the Israelis, who continued to control the land, the waters, the borders, the economy, and Jewish settler-colonies, in short, everything Israel sought to control, but without the need to suppress Palestinian resistance single-handedly, which had endangered Israeli soldiers and opened Israel up to bad press in the process.

Then Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was explicit on this matter: "I�d rather the Palestinians coped with the problem of enforcing order in Gaza. The Palestinians will be better at it than we were, because they will allow no appeals to the Supreme Court and will prevent the [Israeli] Association for Civil Rights from criticizing conditions there by denying it access to the area. They will rule there by their own methods, freeing, and this is most important, the Israeli army from having to do what they will do."

In fact, the repressive function of the PA police had been already in evidence months before Arafat arrived in Gaza in July 1994. Three self-appointed traffic cops from the armed Fatah Hawks, which belonged to the Arafat wing of the PLO, ordered a motorist in Gaza in October 1993 to move his car. When he refused, they shot him in both legs.

Clyde Haberman, the New York Times Israel correspondent at the time, was concerned about the Palestinian police's abilities to protect Jewish colonial-settlers when they assumed authority. He asserted that "when that force comes into being in December [1993], it will have to prove its mettle. Certainly, it must show it can do better than [the] three self-appointed traffic cops�The Arab police must also show that [Jewish] Israelis living in and passing through the territories will be protected."
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Whereas the CIA trained the PA police secretly at first, the US later fully assumed the responsibility for training them. Lieutenant General Keith Dayton, who served as the US security coordinator for the PA from December 2005 to October 2010, oversaw their training and the coup they staged against the democratically elected Hamas in 2007.

In 2006, the US, according to Haaretz, began to train Abbas�s Praetorian Guard in Jericho for over a month with American, British, Egyptian, and Jordanian military instructors, and to provide them with weapons in preparation for a confrontation with Hamas to remove it from office after it was freely elected. The Israeli cabinet at the time approved the transfer of thousands of rifles from Egypt and Jordan to Abbas�s forces.

# ? Jul 1, 2021 03:55

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Hasn't the PA been worthless since Arafat died? And that's why the US supported them in trying to coup Hamas after they won that election in 2006?

# ? Jul 2, 2021 19:19

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

KomradeX posted:

Hasn't the PA been worthless since Arafat died? And that's why the US supported them in trying to coup Hamas after they won that election in 2006?

Yeah the modern day PA is basically a great real world of example example of the roman "divide and conquer" tactics.

# ? Jul 2, 2021 21:47

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

etalian posted:

Yeah the modern day PA is basically a great real world of example example of the roman "divide and conquer" tactics.

Maybe it was divide and conquer at one point but now it's basically a mercenary force with an international media friendly brand name

# ? Jul 2, 2021 22:19

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

The Oldest Man posted:

Maybe it was divide and conquer at one point but now it's basically a mercenary force with an international media friendly brand name

Basically the recently videos of the PA giving beatdowns to arab protesters pretty much says all you need to know about their motivations and who controls them.

# ? Jul 2, 2021 22:38

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Israel bombed Gaza yesterday because of balloons
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1410791817365364739?s=20

# ? Jul 3, 2021 00:33

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

are they not calling them "terror balloons" anymore? lmao

# ? Jul 3, 2021 00:35

Rainbow Knight: Apr 19, 2006; We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

Hamas R&D

Rainbow Knight has issued a correction as of 04:53 on Jul 3, 2021

# ? Jul 3, 2021 01:02

Rutibex: Sep 9, 2001; by Fluffdaddy

yea it take a lot of research to figure out how to piss in a bottle and weld sewer pipes togeather

# ? Jul 3, 2021 14:50

World War Mammories: Aug 25, 2006

bombing any area in which people can fill up balloons, ethically

# ? Jul 3, 2021 14:51

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

More anti-PA protests
https://twitter.com/LinahAlsaafin/status/1411340409339527174?s=20

IDF bombed Gaza again because of balloons
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1411414683656114178?s=20

# ? Jul 3, 2021 21:27

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Death to Israel

https://twitter.com/dianabuttu/status/1411296682877325316?s=20

# ? Jul 4, 2021 17:21

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1411716433327771649?s=20
https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1411663708741378051?s=20
:d2a:

# ? Jul 4, 2021 22:48

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoVokMW4pK8

I have been going through some very old Kwame Ture lectures/speeches and recently got to his debate vs a zionist.

# ? Jul 8, 2021 01:28

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1414302826617049088?s=20

# ? Jul 12, 2021 00:27

Grandpa Palpatine: Dec 13, 2019; by vyelkin

# ? Jul 12, 2021 00:50

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoVokMW4pK8

I have been going through some very old Kwame Ture lectures/speeches and recently got to his debate vs a zionist.

Toure arguing the Egyptians were black like it was an indisputable fact makes me lol

# ? Jul 12, 2021 01:06

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Chuka Umana posted:

Toure arguing the Egyptians were black like it was an indisputable fact makes me lol

Trouble at home?

# ? Jul 12, 2021 03:30

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

https://twitter.com/shejae3a/status/1414720540301004802?s=20

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# ? Jul 13, 2021 14:50

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1414174866165612547?s=20

lol human rights watch

# ? Jul 13, 2021 17:57

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

Atrocious Joe posted:

lol human rights watch

I knew they were poo poo but I had to look up who actually founded them. It was the estate of HENRY FORD lmao.

# ? Jul 13, 2021 18:08

Rainbow Knight: Apr 19, 2006; We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

Groovelord Neato posted:

https://twitter.com/shejae3a/status/1414720540301004802?s=20

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this is loving blood-boiling

dti

# ? Jul 13, 2021 20:26

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1414584099155726337

# ? Jul 14, 2021 15:39

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1414584099155726337

This feels like some sort of malicious compliance

# ? Jul 14, 2021 15:44

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

hobbesmaster posted:

This feels like some sort of malicious compliance

I don't think so. I think the weird wording is an attempt to obfuscate the actual point being made, because when it's said plainly people no longer buy these kinds of arguments. Here's what I read the correction as saying: there is no longer a law explicitly banning the Palestinian flag, however, some broad public safety laws are used to effectively ban the Palestinian flag.

If you say it in a straightforward way, the clear answer is "so what? What's the practical difference?" But if you kind of wave your hands at it, soften it up, and dance around it a bit, it's less clear what exactly is going on.

Malicious compliance would be, if anything, to clearly describe what's happening.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 16:14

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

I don't think so. I think the weird wording is an attempt to obfuscate the actual point being made, because when it's said plainly people no longer buy these kinds of arguments. Here's what I read the correction as saying: there is no longer a law explicitly banning the Palestinian flag, however, some broad public safety laws are used to effectively ban the Palestinian flag.

If you say it in a straightforward way, the clear answer is "so what? What's the practical difference?" But if you kind of wave your hands at it, soften it up, and dance around it a bit, it's less clear what exactly is going on.

Malicious compliance would be, if anything, to clearly describe what's happening.

I meant a writer maliciously complying with a directive to "correct" the article.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 16:15

30.5 Days: Nov 19, 2006

I'm a big believer in the power of propaganda in the media but I don't think *too* many people will be fooled by that correction.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 16:22

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

hobbesmaster posted:

I meant a writer maliciously complying with a directive to "correct" the article.

Sure, and I think the writer has corrected the article exactly as asked, not maliciously complied.

Instead of correcting it by clearly describing the distinction they want to make (as I understand it, the "difference" between an explicit law and a broad law consistently applied a certain way), they dance around it and offer a vague and unreadable correction that's impossible to understand.

# ? Jul 14, 2021 16:27

Dr. VooDoo: May 4, 2006

the flag isn�t banned, you just can�t show it or fly it without legal repercussions and having it confiscated

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Shima Honnou: Dec 1, 2010; The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit; College Slice

its not banned but if you own one or if they see you happening to be near the same colors on the flag you get arrested

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